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#1 scarlac

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 01:54 PM

Hi

I'm very confused now, some help or more explanation would be welcome.

In a previous post I was pointed to this link about subtitles.
I red it several times and configured my media server for the subtitles and language as explained in the wiki.
I also did a force scan to fetch my subs.
Now the subs or a part of it should be downloaded.

Where are the downloaded subs stored.

Why do IDX/SUB files not work anymore.
Most of my movies are still in DVD-quality and have IDX/SUB files.

How many subs does it take in opensubtitles.org.
I red several times that there are limitations linked to your IP, but found nowhere how many subs it does take.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 02:52 PM

Hi

I'm very confused now, some help or more explanation would be welcome.

In a previous post I was pointed to this link about subtitles.
I red it several times and configured my media server for the subtitles and language as explained in the wiki.
I also did a force scan to fetch my subs.
Now the subs or a part of it should be downloaded.

1. Where are the downloaded subs stored.

2. Why do IDX/SUB files not work anymore.
Most of my movies are still in DVD-quality and have IDX/SUB files.

3. How many subs does it take in opensubtitles.org.
I red several times that there are limitations linked to your IP, but found nowhere how many subs it does take.

1. The subs are stored in a bundle file in ~/Library/Application Support/Plex Media Server/Media/Localhost or something similar.
2. There is a bug which will be solved later.
3. I think it is 40 or 60 subs per day per IP.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 02:55 PM

Downloaded subtitles are not stored as separate files next to your movies (like you'd do if you manually downloaded the subtitle file). Instead, they're stored along with other metadata for the item inside the ~/Library/Application Support/Plex Media Server/ directory.

IDX/SUB format support is planned, I believe. No, I don't know a release date.

There is a daily limit to the number of subtitles that OpenSubtitles.org will let you grab. I believe it's somewhere in the 50-60 range, but I'm not sure as I've never seen a concrete number posted. For any particular item, I think it will only be grabbing 1 or 2 subtitles (up to 2 if you set up two different languages for your subtitle preferences).

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:25 AM

Hi folks

Why are they stored in a bundle and not in the same location as the movie.
That makes them unusefull to me, I suppose to other people too.
Sometimes I take my laptop, and copy several movies onto it, and watch them at friends or families home.

About IDX/SUB, it worked before, why did the plex-team take it out.
That means that I have to look for more then 600 subs.
Which is a hard and long work.

So be it.
Got no choice.
Just a little disapointed.
For the rest, Plex is the best mediacenter.
Must be said too.

Can we install the previous version of plex9 on the latest one.
Will the library still work.

Thanks for the info.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:37 AM

Hi folks

Why are they stored in a bundle and not in the same location as the movie.
That makes them unusefull to me, I suppose to other people too.
Sometimes I take my laptop, and copy several movies onto it, and watch them at friends or families home.

About IDX/SUB, it worked before, why did the plex-team take it out.
That means that I have to look for more then 600 subs.
Which is a hard and long work.

So be it.
Got no choice.
Just a little disapointed.
For the rest, Plex is the best mediacenter.
Must be said too.

Can we install the previous version of plex9 on the latest one.
Will the library still work.

Thanks for the info.

I'm sorry that you are having issues, I really am. But you are assuming that the devs actually removed something, instead of assuming that it is a bug :) (regarding IDX/SUB I mean). Keep your shorts on, a fix will come according to Elan (on his blog and Twitter).

Regarding the subs, nothing has actually changed. If you want it to work as before (with you downloading the subs manually and placing them in the same folder) then you can do so and you can take your harddrive to your friends house. The only difference is if you actually start using the new feature instead (autodownloading). So in that sense the devs haven't changed anything.

And regarding why they choose to save the location in the bundles instead of the actual path... hmm. I think that is a natural continuation of the data model they have been using since 31st of August last year when they released Plex/Nine. All metadata has been saved in a budnle since then (fanart, posters, theme songs etc. etc.). In what sense does those differ from the subtitles?
And also another thing that *might* have influenced the decision is the more and more common scenario where people are using devices such as a NAS or other network devices. To be able to mount these devices as read-only is quite a good thing. If Plex had to download the things to the movie/TV Show folder, then the read-only would'nt work.

And if settings should be used for every thing were there is different opinions on how to do it, then Plex and PMS would be so filled with settings that it would be impossible for a newbie to understand anything, and the Plex code would be in such a shape that doing patches and regular updates would be more or less impossible.

Ok, after giving you that rant... I would also like to have my subtitles in the movie/show folders. Why? I like control, and I am techie enough to be proficient in everything. But I think I understand the decision behind this, so I will accept it. Maybe the devs will change their mind later on. Maybe already in the next release. I don't know. I however dont think so. I think you/me instead should cross our fingers that someone in the forums make a metadata agent which supports this feature instead (if possible).

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:29 AM

Don't take me wrong, I love Plex.
Like I said, it's the best mediacenter.

I'm just a little frustrated about some points we already discussed.

About those automatic downloaded subs.
Is there a way to see if Plex found subs for that movie, and which ones.
Maybe it would be cool to add a function which allows to export the subs into the movie folder.
Then everything would be solved, I suppose others would find this helpful too, just an idea

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 04:06 PM

About those automatic downloaded subs.
Is there a way to see if Plex found subs for that movie, and which ones.
Maybe it would be cool to add a function which allows to export the subs into the movie folder.
Then everything would be solved, I suppose others would find this helpful too, just an idea

At the moment, the only way to get info regarding whether something was/wasn't autodownloaded from OpenSubtitles.org (aside from starting the video and checking that way, of course) is by looking in the opensubtitles log file. Definitely not too user-friendly, obviously. The devs have mentioned that they do want/plan to provide better info to the user regarding available subtitles and such, but I don't know when that will actually be released.

My personal hunch is that we're pretty unlikely to see an option to "export the subs into the movie folder". If you make use of the OpenSubtitles.org auto-downloading, then any subtitle that's downloaded that way is effectively treated as another piece of metadata for the library item and thus stored with the other metadata. For people that need/want an external subtitle file to stay with their media, they still have the option to get the subtitle file themselves and place it next to the media item.

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