Announcement: State of EPG & TV metadata in Plex

Can we be Frank for a moment? In the trust tree, with the nest? Yeah? Okay here goes. (Deep breath) At the risk of understating it, we want to acknowledge that the Plex experience as it relates to Live TV metadata, schedules, and lineups over the past 12 months has been a painful one. There, we said it. You know it, we know it, our provider knows it, my wife knows it, my mailman knows something’s been bothering me but honestly we’ve drifted apart over the last few months…thanks COVID. While our international friends might opt for far more colorful language (and you have!), the fact remains that the promise of an “as good, or better” experience with an alternate provider ended up falling well short of everyone’s expectations.

It has been a little over a year now since Plex implemented a replacement guide provider after finalizing a deal that included coverage for video and music metadata, as well as license to an extensive IP portfolio. While the music metadata has performed well, and the IP license was critical to maintaining Live TV & DVR functionality in Plex, the video metadata that serves as the foundation of our TV experience fell flat.

While some have interpreted our lack of an official statement up to this point as proof that we were unconcerned with the state of Live TV & DVR in Plex, nothing could be further from the truth. These issues had daily visibility, dedicated weekly (or biweekly) partner calls, and the almost constant attention of @sa2000, who I’m pretty sure, based on the timestamp of forum posts, emails, and Slack messages, hasn’t slept since July of last year.

I think it’s safe to say that many of us at Plex, especially those responsible for the service, have collectively experienced 4 of the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression) but in no way are we willing to accept the current state of things. To that end, we wanted to make the community aware that we have secured a deal with a video metadata (EPG) provider that we know well, and trust to deliver an experience that meets our expectations. While it’s premature to provide any estimates on when the transition back might be fully implemented (the ink is literally drying today) we wanted to let you know as quickly as possible that this work starts NOW. We’ve been acutely aware of the frustrations voiced over the last year, and as users ourselves, we’re highly motivated to bring this chapter to a close, and extremely excited to begin working on a whole host of new features and improvements for Live TV & DVR in Plex.

Eric

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Thank you. :kissing_heart:

Thank you for the update - glad something is finally happening. I appreciate there was probably a desire to wait until a plan was in place but to my mind an earlier acknowledgement that there were major problems, it wasn’t working and that a change was being worked on would have perhaps been helpful?

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Thank you!

Oh boy, that’s good news.I have dropped your DVR service long months ago due to this agonizing experience. Eventually, I will give it another try.

Of course, you should also

(a) re-start implementing new features with DVR and
(b) re-scan old forum archives to find the old problems that users had with that other provider before you changed the EPG provider. That service wasn’t trouble-free in those days and maybe you don’t want to re-open all those threads again :wink:

Thank you, this is great news! One request: If possible make it so we don’t have to set up our TV series recordings again as part of the EPG provider change. As far as I can tell there isn’t a way to set up recording of a series if the series isn’t currently airing, and many series are currently delayed in returning. IMHO right now one of the main benefits of a DVR is having it automagically record shows when they return with new episodes.

It would be a time sink for the Plex DVR customer base to have to troll the web for months just to see when shows are returning, and then set up “new” series recordings one by one as they return.

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I don’t even use the EPG or TV features myself, but I see @sa2000’s constant forum responses. He’s probably underpaid …

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Thanks for the update. Glad the frustrations have been acknowledged and there is a plan in place.

Excellent news, as I was just about to pull the trigger on a Schedules Direct subscription.

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Valid point.
I think that this indeed is one of the design flaws of Plex DVR.
With my online DVR provider, I can mark TV shows or movies to be recorded (just as with Plex) or a more flexible approach using “keywords”.
I had problems in the past because of language change, provider change and EPG data change because of a title changing slightly or another channel airing the same TV show as a seemingly different show.
With “keyword”-based recording, these would become problems of the past.
The third thing I am missing: time/date based recording of a channel (whatever gets aired according to EPG data).

Please implement these before EPG data provider and allow some time to recreate show based recordings as keyword based recordings. That way, you can create these even with no episode of a certain TV show on the horizon.

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Thank you for continuing to improve the guide. We know you meant well with the current guide, but there have obviously been a lot of issues.

Please, please, please implement manual recording (time/channel/duration) before switching EPG providers. Most of us are much more willing to put up with guide errors when we have this simple workaround.

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Definitely agree re this - would be such a simple workaround to at least temporise matters when there are still major guide data flaws (as is the case just now in the UK). Would be great if this could receive some priority rather than new features.

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Thank flip for that!

Please make it possible to add multiple tuners with separate guides - I have an IPTV solution, but it has hard coded channel numbers, so I can’t also use my HDHomerun at the same time.

Thanks!

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Thank goodness. I’ll tell my parents to hold out and tell them a fix is incoming.

It would also be nice to be able to export the scheduled recordings for backups or if you wanted to or needed to do a fresh install of Plex.

@cire12 Also thank you from me.

Like @EDIflyer, I just wish that Plex could have communicated earlier even if it was along the lines of “we sorry we screwed that up and it’s going to be a while…”, followed by (maybe) monthly updates. A lack of any communicated only results in users fearing the worst.

I have said it a few times now, but I do agree @sa2000 has been working tirelessly and it has been greatly appreciated, although I do feel he has had an impossible job playing whac-a-mole.

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It would have been completely inappropriate to announce that we were going to be reverting EPG providers before we had any kind of deal in place with said provider. It wasn’t just hyperbole when I said the “the ink is drying today”, we really did come to the forums immediately to let you know what was happening. Again, I’m acutely aware of the frustration over the last 12+ months, and I know that our previous statements of “we know and we’re working on it” offered little assurance, but it wasn’t until we’d exhausted every avenue that we were free to go in a different direction.

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Out of interest where were those statements posted? All I was aware of were the herculean efforts by @sa2000 to keep squashing bugs on the 1,700+ post UK EPG thread. The frustration for many of us was that Plex didn’t seem to be acknowledging there was a problem and instead just kept on rolling out more and more new features rather than fixing bugs on existing ones (mobile device sync still breaks if you delete any episodes from your PMS*) or adding simple additions like allowing manual recording. I posted to this effect on a number of the blogs about new features, asking why existing issues weren’t being resolved - however Plex moderate the blog comments and these questions were never approved/posted.

* See Sync error "there is an error with this item" - #122 by RKLimes

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Thank you for the update @cire12 and it is good to know you are working on correcting the problems :slight_smile:

I know from my own efforts in the UK EPG thread that I am sick and tired of the amount of time I have to put in reporting problems to you guys and prior to your announcement the other day I had started to investigate alternatives so this is very welcome news.

I had only been a paid Plex customer for 6 months prior to the move so I don’t have much experience of what the data quality was like before then but I really hope that:

  • We don’t have another 12+ months of users reporting similar issues with the new provider
  • You are considering “merging” OTA guide data (where available) as a back up - as it a) helps when there are last minute guide changes, b) allows programmes to be recorded in full when live shows for example are running late and c) can be used to fill in the gaps when things go wrong

Thanks again.

Hi - not sure if you were replying to me but, if you were, that was not what I meant.