# PLEX cloud + amazon cloud = huge fine? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussions\ **Created:** [September 27, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498 "2016-09-27T17:02:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![garyleecn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@garyleecn](https://forums.plex.tv/u/garyleecn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/1 "2016-09-27T17:02:18Z")
so if all media are stored on amazon cloud, what about copyright stuff? amazon is a content provider themselves, so it’s more likely for them to ask for copyright proof. and if you have thousands of movies and hundreds of tv shows, sometimes it’s difficult to provide your original copyright proof. i’m not saying it’s illegal copy, but sometimes you just can’t find the original disk. so how is PLEX handling this? is it providing our own custom key to encrypt it? ---
**Author:** ![phurren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/phurren/32/94130_2.png) [@phurren](https://forums.plex.tv/u/phurren)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/2 "2016-09-27T17:03:07Z")
There are already lots of posts in the other threads on this very subject. ---
**Author:** ![xdblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/edb3f5/32.png) [@xdblue](https://forums.plex.tv/u/xdblue)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/3 "2016-09-28T05:33:22Z")
Care to link the threads? I have only seen this questions posted in a general thread about the service. It is a sensible question that warrant a dedicated thread. ---
**Author:** ![phurren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/phurren/32/94130_2.png) [@phurren](https://forums.plex.tv/u/phurren)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/4 "2016-09-28T05:39:45Z")
The threads with ‘plex cloud’ in the title ---
**Author:** ![Kraevin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/kraevin/32/96968_2.png) [@Kraevin](https://forums.plex.tv/u/Kraevin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/5 "2016-09-28T09:39:33Z")
This is no different than storing content on the cloud with Cloud Sync, which has been available for awhile now and hasn’t caused any issues. ---
**Author:** ![Bartlomiej\_Baraniec](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/bartlomiej_baraniec/32/14531_2.png) [@Bartlomiej\_Baraniec](https://forums.plex.tv/u/Bartlomiej_Baraniec)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/6 "2016-09-28T09:59:24Z")
@Kraevin well yes but Cloud Sync is Plex Pass feature and it is not limited to Amazon only. You can just buy hardware and run own server without spending any money on Plex. Now with Plex Cloud you need Plex Pass but they again you can save a lot of money on hardware. How many current Plex Pass owner will use Plex Cloud? How many new customers will Plex get when setting up PMS in Cloud take few minutes and you don’t need own hardware? Amazon is the only one supported now, I think some heavy traffic is going their way 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kraevin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/kraevin/32/96968_2.png) [@Kraevin](https://forums.plex.tv/u/Kraevin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/7 "2016-09-28T10:20:35Z")
> @“Bartlomiej Baraniec” said: > @Kraevin well yes but Cloud Sync is Plex Pass feature and it is not limited to Amazon only. > You can just buy hardware and run own server without spending any money on Plex. > Now with Plex Cloud you need Plex Pass but they again you can save a lot of money on hardware. How many current Plex Pass owner will use Plex Cloud? How many new customers will Plex get when setting up PMS in Cloud take few minutes and you don’t need own hardware? Amazon is the only one supported now, I think some heavy traffic is going their way 🙂 Points well taken, Cloud Sync was also limited to a couple when it first started out in beta as well. I am not disagreeing with you at all, and agree that Amazon will have a lot more traffic coming their way now. My point was more towards everyone thinking Plex Cloud is a trap or will fail due to the pirating issues… They technically have been doing cloud storage with cloud sync for 2 plus years now and its still going. In the end its still the same cloud account that it is connecting too and ultimately its the user’s responsibility on what they should/should not be uploading to the cloud. Also the FAQ says in time they will open it up to more providers **Do you work with any other cloud providers? Currently, Plex works with Amazon Drive. We’ll continue to evaluate adding support for other cloud storage providers over time.** ---
**Author:** ![Bartlomiej\_Baraniec](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/bartlomiej_baraniec/32/14531_2.png) [@Bartlomiej\_Baraniec](https://forums.plex.tv/u/Bartlomiej_Baraniec)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/8 "2016-09-28T11:58:01Z")
I completely agree with you. I’m just saying that I suspect Plex Cloud to be much much more successful the Cloud Sync ever was and therefore might draw more attention. I’ve never used Cloud Sync, but can’t wait to get my hands on Plex Cloud. I’m not “worried” with copyright stuff but I want to know if and how my home pictures/videos are encrypted. ---
**Author:** ![l3uddz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5daacb/32.png) [@l3uddz](https://forums.plex.tv/u/l3uddz)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/9 "2016-09-28T12:06:24Z")
> @“Bartlomiej Baraniec” said: > I completely agree with you. I’m just saying that I suspect Plex Cloud to be much much more successful the Cloud Sync ever was and therefore might draw more attention. > I’ve never used Cloud Sync, but can’t wait to get my hands on Plex Cloud. I’m not “worried” with copyright stuff but I want to know if and how my home pictures/videos are encrypted. Nothing is encrypted. What you upload to Amazon is your decision, but know people have had 20 TB + of movies and tv shows on there unencrypted since last year with no problems whatsoever. The only cases of people having issues has been from them directly sharing a media file using a link (Amazon Web Client → Movie → Get Share Link), even then they only had sharing disabled for their account, no files deleted etc… ---
**Author:** ![blim5001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c2a13f/32.png) [@blim5001](https://forums.plex.tv/u/blim5001)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/10 "2016-09-28T12:09:28Z")
@“Bartlomiej Baraniec” From what’s been stated so far, there will be no encryption. ---
**Author:** ![brucethevideobug](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/brucethevideobug/32/6484_2.png) [@brucethevideobug](https://forums.plex.tv/u/brucethevideobug)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/11 "2016-09-28T22:55:48Z")
Plex pass is definitely a step up from cloud sync. To use the latter pretty much required you have a copy of the media on Plex server that was kept synced with the cloud. You had/have to be careful to not move media to a new library because the old library going away meant it would go away in the cloud as well, even if you have the media on your computer in a different library. Plex pass as I understand it is putting the server in the cloud, no need to maintain server at your home, except maybe for media creation - seem likely to be more attractive. ---
**Author:** ![KarlDag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@KarlDag](https://forums.plex.tv/u/KarlDag)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/12 "2016-09-28T23:43:05Z")
Cloud Sync was badly executed. 1. More often than not it wouldn’t even upload files. 2. They had to be pretranscoded, sacrificing quality. 3. They only supported 1 audio track, stereo. Plex Cloud supports all codecs, HD audio, multilingual files, subtitles, etc. I wish it was encrypted, but since I dont store my own personal files in there… I’m not that worried. ---
**Author:** ![garyleecn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@garyleecn](https://forums.plex.tv/u/garyleecn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/13 "2016-09-30T18:51:11Z")
> @Kraevin said: > This is no different than storing content on the cloud with Cloud Sync, which has been available for awhile now and hasn’t caused any issues. There is huge difference actually. Cloud sync Pre transcode files most of the time, therefore the hash of your video file is changed, and based on you transcoded setting, your file hash could be unique to your file. So Amazon doesn’t know if this transcoded file came from a legit iTunes copy or was from torrenting. Plex cloud however, let you upload original file to Amazon server, so they will be able to tell if your file comes from torrenting. ---
**Author:** ![talisto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/talisto/32/587_2.png) [@talisto](https://forums.plex.tv/u/talisto)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/14 "2016-09-30T19:14:12Z")
> @garyleecn said: > There is huge difference actually. Cloud sync Pre transcode files most of the time, therefore the hash of your video file is changed, and based on you transcoded setting, your file hash could be unique to your file. So Amazon doesn’t know if this transcoded file came from a legit iTunes copy or was from torrenting. > Plex cloud however, let you upload original file to Amazon server, so they will be able to tell if your file comes from torrenting. I came up with a workflow to automatically remux videos before uploading them to ACD in order to change the hash. The remuxing doesn’t actually transcode the video, so there’s no quality loss, but it will change the format of the video file and add in some extra metadata to ensure that it will be a unique file. It also renames the file to a more generic name. If you want to see how it works, I posted the details on a reddit thread here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/553m3c/hash\_checking\_acd\_plex\_cloud\_question/d87lsc6](https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/553m3c/hash_checking_acd_plex_cloud_question/d87lsc6) Requires either Linux or macOS, though could probably be run through a VM on Windows. Still waiting on my Plex Cloud invite though… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![garyleecn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@garyleecn](https://forums.plex.tv/u/garyleecn)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/15 "2016-10-03T21:03:17Z")
> @talisto said: > > > @garyleecn said: > > There is huge difference actually. Cloud sync Pre transcode files most of the time, therefore the hash of your video file is changed, and based on you transcoded setting, your file hash could be unique to your file. So Amazon doesn’t know if this transcoded file came from a legit iTunes copy or was from torrenting. > > Plex cloud however, let you upload original file to Amazon server, so they will be able to tell if your file comes from torrenting. > > I came up with a workflow to automatically remux videos before uploading them to ACD in order to change the hash. The remuxing doesn’t actually transcode the video, so there’s no quality loss, but it will change the format of the video file and add in some extra metadata to ensure that it will be a unique file. It also renames the file to a more generic name. > > If you want to see how it works, I posted the details on a reddit thread here: > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/553m3c/hash_checking_acd_plex_cloud_question/d87lsc6) > > Requires either Linux or macOS, though could probably be run through a VM on Windows. > > Still waiting on my Plex Cloud invite though… 🙂 guess it might work… but i don’t know, after all you are just adding a ‘comment’ to metadata, if amazon decide to look into it, they will know… so how much CPU power does it take? and how long does it take to process each file (say a ~10g movie). btw, I’m using filebot too, it’s amazing. ---
**Author:** ![talisto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/talisto/32/587_2.png) [@talisto](https://forums.plex.tv/u/talisto)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/16 "2016-10-03T21:46:22Z")
> @garyleecn said: > guess it might work… but i don’t know, after all you are just adding a ‘comment’ to metadata, if amazon decide to look into it, they will know… In my tests the filesize ends up changing quite a bit, so it’s not just adding a comment to the metadata, it’s re-writing the structure of the file. For a decent sized movie it can add around 50MB to the filesize. I honestly have no idea why, the mediainfo output ends up being the same, and I’m positive no transcoding is taking place. But it’s definitely doing more than just adding a single metadata comment. The metadata comment is just a “failsafe” to ensure that multiple people running the same script still end up with different files. If Amazon is doing any sort of video fingerprinting, then yeah, it won’t make any difference. Maybe it’s a waste of time, but I think it doesn’t hurt. 🙂 > so how much CPU power does it take? and how long does it take to process each file (say a ~10g movie). It doesn’t really tax the CPU at all, since it’s mostly just copying the data, it’s more limited by the speed of your HDD. I just did a test on a modest server with an SSD drive, on a video that has a filesize of around 11GB, it took less than a minute. > btw, I’m using filebot too, it’s amazing. Yeah! ---
**Author:** ![garyleecn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@garyleecn](https://forums.plex.tv/u/garyleecn)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/17 "2016-10-04T01:18:43Z")
> @talisto said: > > > @garyleecn said: > > guess it might work… but i don’t know, after all you are just adding a ‘comment’ to metadata, if amazon decide to look into it, they will know… > > In my tests the filesize ends up changing quite a bit, so it’s not just adding a comment to the metadata, it’s re-writing the structure of the file. For a decent sized movie it can add around 50MB to the filesize. I honestly have no idea why, the mediainfo output ends up being the same, and I’m positive no transcoding is taking place. But it’s definitely doing more than just adding a single metadata comment. The metadata comment is just a “failsafe” to ensure that multiple people running the same script still end up with different files. > > If Amazon is doing any sort of video fingerprinting, then yeah, it won’t make any difference. Maybe it’s a waste of time, but I think it doesn’t hurt. 🙂 > > > so how much CPU power does it take? and how long does it take to process each file (say a ~10g movie). > > It doesn’t really tax the CPU at all, since it’s mostly just copying the data, it’s more limited by the speed of your HDD. I just did a test on a modest server with an SSD drive, on a video that has a filesize of around 11GB, it took less than a minute. > > > btw, I’m using filebot too, it’s amazing. > > Yeah! ok… less than a minute for 11GB is ok… are you moving between different disks or just on the same disk, different folder? so you are using it on a linux system? maybe i should try it on my synology and include it in my NZBGet post process script. after all, for someone like me with a \>30TB library, i think it’s better to steer away from this until it has some sorts of encryption. otherwise, it would be perfect for me, i have gigabit connection so just imagine that, a personal Netflix on the cloud. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/plex/original/3X/2/a/2acb9765406f63293d357b4ec509ec39aa28f2ad.png) [@system](https://forums.plex.tv/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/plex-cloud-amazon-cloud-huge-fine/160498/18 "2020-01-07T21:58:04Z")