# What is this behaviour?

**URL:** <https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579>\
**Category:** Plex Media Server\
**Tags:** server-mac\
**Created:** [April 29, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579 "2023-04-29T15:22:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![StevenERayner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@StevenERayner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/StevenERayner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/1 "2023-04-29T15:22:38Z")

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Latest weird behaviour as follows.  
So I notice that Irish Heartbeat by Van Morrison & The Chieftains is misnamed as by Van Morrison only. I check the metadata of my files and sure enough it was my unchecked rip at fault. So I correct it then go into Plex and update the metadata and Plex changes it… along with all my other Van Morrison albums so that they are all now by Van Morrison & The Chieftains.  
I tried changing it in Plex and it won’t stick.  
Please help.  
I’m so sick of this.

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**Author:** ![OttoKerner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/ottokerner/32/10079_2.png) [@OttoKerner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/OttoKerner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/2 "2023-04-29T15:26:08Z")

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> [@StevenERayner](#):
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> Van Morrison

“Van Morrison and the Chieftains” is just an alias for “Van Morrison” over on [https://musicbrainz.org/artist/a41ac10f-0a56-4672-9161-b83f9b223559](https://musicbrainz.org/artist/a41ac10f-0a56-4672-9161-b83f9b223559)  
Which means that the albumartist on this album and all other VM albums is one and the same for Plex as well. So if you rename it, all albums by Van Morrison follow suit.

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**Author:** ![StevenERayner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@StevenERayner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/StevenERayner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/3 "2023-04-29T15:29:22Z")

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So I have to live with Irish Heartbeat being mistagged or EVERYTHING ELSE? This is effing crazy.

Thanks Otto

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**Author:** ![OttoKerner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/ottokerner/32/10079_2.png) [@OttoKerner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/OttoKerner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/4 "2023-04-29T15:30:49Z")

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Make a distinction between Artist and AlbumArtist.  
Put “Van Morrison and the Chieftains” as Artist on this one album,  
but use “Van Morrison” as its AlbumArtist.

So you will end up with something like this:  
Albumartist at the top,  
Artist on every track below.

 ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/plex/original/4X/0/8/4/08481bac4dc4d7ea2c9cb8cbdf8b7a9f0ae45950.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![StevenERayner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@StevenERayner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/StevenERayner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/5 "2023-04-29T15:33:30Z")

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Worked.

Thanks Otto!

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**Author:** ![StevenERayner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@StevenERayner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/StevenERayner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/6 "2023-04-29T15:37:01Z")

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& Zappa & The Mothers is such a great example.

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**Author:** ![OttoKerner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/ottokerner/32/10079_2.png) [@OttoKerner](https://forums.plex.tv/u/OttoKerner)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/7 "2023-04-29T15:42:32Z")

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Yep, very typical.  
Ultimately, what you are doing is populating a database.  
You have the hierarchy  
AlbumArtist  
Album  
Tracks

And it just makes more sense in these cases to unify the Albumartist.  
(Although some old-fart Zappatistas may protest vehemently, on my method to combine FZ’s later projects with the Mothers. But I don’t care. To me the distinction doesn’t exist.)

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**Author:** ![beckfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/beckfield/32/7227_2.png) [@beckfield](https://forums.plex.tv/u/beckfield)\
**Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/8 "2023-04-29T16:33:34Z")

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The problem here isn’t that “Van Morrison and the Chieftains” is just an alias for “Van Morrison” at MusicBrainz (it actually isn’t on the alias list).

The problem is that Plex does not support crediting an album or a track to more than one artist. A long-standing [feature request](https://forums.plex.tv/t/better-support-for-albums-and-tracks-with-multiple-artists/116658), if implemented, would fix this.

MusicBrainz actually credits “Irish Heartbeat” to “Van Morrison” and “The Chieftains” (two separate artists, not an alias for one).

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**Author:** ![leelynds](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/plex/user_avatar/forums.plex.tv/leelynds/32/82049_2.png) [@leelynds](https://forums.plex.tv/u/leelynds)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/9 "2023-04-30T13:40:57Z")

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I have `Van Morrison` and `Van Morrison & the Chieftains` showing in my library as two separate artists. If you want them to appear that way, I would tag the “Irish Heartbeat” album with both the Album Artist and Track Artist as “Van Morrison and the Chieftains” You might have to [Plex Dance](https://forums.plex.tv/t/the-plex-dance/197064) the collaboration album to get it to show up as a new separate artist in your library.

I usually use MusicBrainz Picard for tagging, but I’m attaching screen shots from MP3Tag to show how I have them tagged.

 ![VanMorrison](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/plex/original/4X/f/f/1/ff12b6c4d941f465e370e13d0335fee67e070152.jpeg)

 ![VanMorrison-Chieftains](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/plex/original/4X/8/3/c/83c4a5e55f95e59cd191bf613645d6113f20821b.jpeg)

It doesn’t properly address @beckfield 's concern, but the extended tag editor in MP3Tag shows both The Chieftains and Van Morrison as individual artists. There’s always the chance that Plex will address some of the music database shortcomings, and we won’t have to use this type of work-around (if this is one)

 ![ExtendedTags](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/plex/original/4X/6/4/b/64beefde7a855949faed558b09927a6898a0b291.jpeg)

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.plex.tv/t/what-is-this-behaviour/839579/10 "2023-07-29T13:41:16Z")

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