all of the newer Samsungs will direct play x265, I have a 2013 that will and (2) 2016’s, but anything older will transcode.
I think it’s a hardware limitation on the TV, so, nothing to do about that.
@dent^
Just got my 4K HDR (10 Bit) copy of Star Trek Beyond to dig into this 4K ripping.
I am right now stooped as Windows cannot read the 4K disc…
I find that my drives might be too old. To read 4K discs the Bly-Ray drive must be BDXL compliant.
I have read also that not all BDXL drives are created equal.
Well off to find a drive that can read the blessed disc…
I’ll let you know what I learn
LOL
@jjrjr1 said:
@dent^
Just got my 4K HDR copy of Star Trek Beyond to dig into this 4K ripping.I am right now stooped as Windows cannot read the 4K disc…
I find that my drives might be too old. To read 4K discs the Bly-Ray drive must be BDXL compliant.
I have read also that not all BDXL drives are created equal.Well off to find a drive that can read the blessed disc…
I’ll let you know what I learn
LOL
At this time, there is no way to rip a 4K disk, that would require bit HDCP 2.2 and AASC 2.0 to both be cracked, which it isnt.
But like you I buy the 4K movies, with the Bluray disk, combo… Rip the bluray and save the 4K for that day when it can be ripped
@wesman
LOL Yup…
I will get to dink with it till it’s ready for prime time…
PS.
Hasn’t HDCP 2.2 been cracked??
I have a box that lets my Roku 4 render 4K to my old Sony and LG HDCP 1 4K TVs.
@jjrjr1 said:
For general media I re-encode to 4K
I cannot understand why one would do that. You’re just needlessly taking up a massive amount of extra disk space. The content is going to be upscaled on the fly simply by virtue of the 4K TV displaying it.
Yeah, I pointed that out earlier. but if he wants to…
@jjrjr1 said:
@wesman
LOL Yup…I will get to dink with it till it’s ready for prime time…
PS.
Hasn’t HDCP 2.2 been cracked??
I have a box that lets my Roku 4 render 4K to my old Sony and LG HDCP 1 4K TVs.
Hdcp has been cracked, but there is one more encryption which hasnt. I think it might be AAC 2.0 or something, not quite sure, but a fast Google search would confirm that.
You are correct generally.
Re-encoding to 4K does take much disk per title.
Although it might be my imagination, but my software seems to me to do a much better job of upscaling than my TV…
LOL it can take up to 3 days to re-encode a title to 4K. Pretty in depth upscale. I doubt the on-the-fly upscaling can be as good. (Re-encoding to 3D also seems better if I do it rather than the TV)
With that being said, it is probably my imagination LOL. And 4K and 3D are still just curiosities to me. Not very practical to use at this time really.
But fun to play with and learn more about all this stuff.
I think the difference would greatly depend on the TV in question, every 4K TV upscales, the first and second generation 4K TV’s where… lets just say… not great at it… but they have gotten progressively better at it. The current Generation (2016) is a good as it gets.
as for the time it takes to process a 1080P to 4K on a computer VS real time for a TV, isnt equivalent. and should not be used as a determine factor.
1.) Computers vary, depending on the strength of your computer (Processor, Memory, Disk) etc. and the Settings in the program you’re using CRF, Presets, etc.
2.) Where as a TV does it ALL in Hardware. Just as a general FYI, any software program can be built as Hardware… This is why TV’s have a “Upscaling Chip” (all hardware) which is capable of doing the upscaling Many Many times after than a software program on the best of computers.
3.) lastly, the TV’s upscaling chip is specifically designed to take input, and produce 4K output optimized for the TV that the chip is in… which, will clearly give you better performance and image quality…
So, generally, there is no good reason to upscale in software. However, no matter how good the upscaling chip or your software program, they’ll never be a good as actual 4K content.
Well my 4k TVs are several years old.
(They are even HDCP 1, worthless for today’s 4K… The price I paid for early adoption I guess… LOL)
Maybe that’s the reason my up-scales look better. LOL
Not ready to buy new TVs yet…
Yeah, I had one of those too… ended up selling it on Craigslist and getting a newer one from Costco, and boy am I glad I did.
Should have never bought it to begin with but who knew that the first gen 4K TV’s wouldn’t actually play 4K unless it was streamed…
LOL
Yeah and no use for Netflix 4K or any 4K Streaming boxes like Roku 4s…
(As these streaming formats check to see if your TV is HDCP 2… if not, will only play 1080p)
To make it even worse… On The LG, the Plex App will not even stream 4K to a native 4K TV… (I have yet to figure that out, WHY)
I had to buy a HDCP 1 to HDCP 2 converter to play ANY 4K media.
To make it worse they were $350 each. (Damn I had 2 4K tvs that were only HDCP 1… OUCH!)
And what’s up with these new HDCP 2 TVs only having 1 HDCP 2 connection??? How would I hook up a Roku 4 AND a 4K DVD player??
LOL
The main reason I use Plex… NEVER need a DVD player. In fact I do not own one anymore… LOL
Well I’m not replacing my TV, my AVR, and my 500+ DVD/BD collection in order to drink the 4Koolaid. Not to mention quadrupling my required NAS data storage (~$2K), and watching my CPU cry because it can’t transcode all that 4K content to everyone else who streams off my PMS, 99.99999% of whom wouldn’t have 4K screens. Nor am I going to fuss with keeping separate 4K and non-4K versions of everything to avoid transcoding… the single 4K version takes enough extra space as it is.
Then at the end of the day, it’s not like we’d probably see the resolution difference even with the 75" TV (yay Costco) since we sit at normal seating distances like civilized human beings. 1080p on a good screen looks just fine (as in, amazing) even blown up to 75", so I’ll save the thousands of dollars on all those aforementioned upgrades, thanks a bunch. 
All Good points, but I can truly see the difference on the new 4K TV’s. they are pretty amazing.
LOL
I can see the 4K difference as well (Even my Software up-scaled versions.)
The deal really is that disk is CHEAP today.
8tb for around $200
So Why not have copies for 99% of your users not having 4K screens.
Encode 4K versions in a format that will direct play on your display and enjoy 4K for yourself.
Isn’t that why we all buy these toys anyway???
PS. I can have 5-6 remote 1080p transcodes going on and still watch 2 4K streams locally on my Sony and LG UHDs…
