What I am saying is that implementing stuff like searching for a jpg file recursively, displaying a decent play history per user or grouping several versions of an album as versions as displayed in my above example, can’t be a 6 months development time…
As (pre)historic plex pass user, I think it is legit to ask for improvements.
The thing I underline is that, since years and years I am using Plex, I never had any reaction when I asked something to be improved inside Plex. Now I have the CTO answering a post, but once I started making nice screenshots and explaining what could be improved, it is like sending a bottle at sea. No reaction anymore.
+1 on that, management of users feedback by Plex is just terrible Myself I’m complaining since years that Plex Music is unable to handle properly tracks with multiple authors and each time all I get is being considered like the guy asking something useless / non-sense…
Right now I’m not expecting anything regarding Plex Music since a long time !
As another (pre)historic plex pass user, I totally get where you’re coming from, and agree that this is the one channel we have to propose improvements. The fact that Elan is in here dropping notes, hints, correcting facts means that he’s also listening to feedback even if he doesn’t take time to respond to every comment.
As a product leader in a completely different organization, I’d love to see my product owners take as much proactive interest in the voice of the customer. In short, I think you’ve been heard (read?) even if you don’t always get the feature or suggestion you’re making into the final product. I think we’re definitely affecting the product vision.
I agree on that. I am also working in the tech field and creating products. The difference is that I have no other choice that implementing the features my customers do request (public markets, here I come).
Now on the fact we do affect the product vision…Maybe. But one more time, not a single one of the request I’ve done, trough the years to improve Plex was considered and implemented. And the only support I’ve ever got never came from the official Plex team but from the irc chan users (and more recently the discord server). This is definitely disappointing.
This is the perfect example of how Plex works. They implement fancy things, but simple requests like “please do search recursively for jpg files in a folder” and “please do put all the same album versions in a single occurence” as described above are simply ignored.
If you add bit perfect play and ability to control Plexamp remotely, audiophiles would have inexpensive alternative for Roon. That would significantly increase number of subscribers for Plex. Isn’t this obvious?
You have a bad attitude. This was Plexamp v1/v2, which worked/works on the Pi. Plexamp v3 is a major rewrite from the ground up. I’ve stated on numerous occasions that we’d love to get it to work on the Pi headless, but we’ve never committed to any timeframe.
That’s why I stopped a long time ago to promote Plex server for my high-end residential customer ! We don’t have as of today a proper plex music player and I have lost hope since a long time about a real music player for Plex !
Elan, can we at least get recursive cover search and album versions ? I mean come on, this can’t take forever to implement right ? it seems so damn easy. just look at my screenshots it would make our plex music journey so much more enjoyable.
And regarding plexamp v2, I installed it manually on a pi, and had to generate a file using the v1 on my macbook, and inject it on the pi. After what, I’ve got playback issues (I do not remember exactly what it was but if I remember good sound valume was no adjustable through the app, and I was not able to stream to multiple plexamp in sync if I remember good).
@vincen may I ask what solution you are proposing to your customers ?
The issue I am having with Roon is that its scanner makes it impossible to store music on a cloud provider storage. It scans stuff randomly and do not give the time to the mounted cloud drive to access files informations. It then skips files assuming the scan failed.
This is something Plex handles (it waits till the information actually appears, and do start new scans from the newest to oldest folder/file). But still I am desperately in need of some improvements…
Right now I store all music files on a local network share (samba) that is avalaible for Lode Player (lodeaudio.com) and I get full control of player through existing integrations for home automation systems I use for my customers (AMX, Crestron, Home-Assistant). It works great out of having to use two different tools depending if you want to watch movies or listen music All files being stored on a local server allows also easy replication between sites (most of my customers are more than one property )
I had worked on implementing a Plex browser for AMX/Crestron systems in past but gave up considering there is no proper audio player so far
Sure, let me create a separate topic. And see if anyone picks the task on your side.
By recursive cover search I mean the scanner would be able to search for cover files (jpg, …) not only in the root folder containing the audio files, but also in its sub-folders.
Now on you giving me instructions on where and how to post things and how to display my requests, I have the feeling you are my boss, and me not being a paid customer of Plex. But I’m fine with that if it can help things improve! Lets do that. And feel free to help me find the right structure that will fit your expectations.
Like many others, I would love to utilise PlexAmp as the end point for music but today it just doesn’t work for me (for numerous reasons mostly my inability to get v2.0 working on my pi)
But unlike many people, I’m not here bitching about it. If you don’t like what Plex provides you can take your money elsewhere - there’s a reason Roon costs $700 not $130.
That’s not to say that Plex is perfect when it comes to music - for starters improvements in handling of music videos would be a good step - but it strikes me some people want Plex to be something it isn’t.
One thing I would say, that I can’t remember if was raised in this thread or one of the other older threads related threads I read this morning, is in respect to the metadata used. If I understand correctly, Plex is now using MusicBrainz metadata. If I am correct and if you find the metadata is wrong - don’t just cry ■■■■, go to metabrainz.org and help fix it! You don’t get that option with Gracenote or AllMusic, et al.
By recursive cover search I mean the scanner would be able to search for cover files (jpg, …) not only in the root folder containing the audio files, but also in its sub-folders.
Honest question… why do you have cover files in subfolders? Or, actually, why do you even have subfolders?? The folder structure should be
artist -> album -> tracks (files)
That’s the only folder structure that really makes any sense, for music. And covers should be related to albums. So why do you even have subfolders that don’t follow this architecture? It seems like you want Plex to cater to your non-standard folder hierarchy, rather than the vast majority of users who have cover images where they’re supposed to be… all the while complaining about it being a “niche” solution. I honestly don’t get it.
Plex has full documentation on the folder/file hierarchy it expects. It has since the very early days. If you choose to deviate from that documentation, yeah, you can expect things won’t work right. It doesn’t seem like it’s Plex’s job to adjust for your mistakes. shrug
Guys, my intention for this thread was to talk about the future of Plexamp on Raspberry Pi…
I’m a little bit irritated about the rude conversation tone in this (and other) threads… Plex is not a vendor like Roon, Spotify or Tidal. It’s just a group of people with the same passion organized in an Inc. as a shelter - Not a multimillion business for sure!
Please stop complaining liabilities, transparency or deliverables… just value what these guys are doing for us!
For sure, it seems to be incomprehensible sometimes…they are working on little edge-cases like sonic analyses instead of working on a headless version of Plexamp for Raspberry? WTF!
But this is only my personal perspective - I’m pretty sure that other guys celebrate Plex for this sonically similar feature thing…
Let’s put it this way:
There are a couple of features and functionalities which are basic stuff like “Plexamp on Raspberry”
Some features are minor improvements like “recursive cover search”
And there is some fancy stuff like “sonic analyses”
@Elan, as a CTO, I’m pretty sure you focus on all of of these things. Right?
Myself I’m complaining since years that Plex Music is unable to handle properly tracks with multiple authors and each time all I get is being considered like the guy asking something useless / non-sense…
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