@JamminR said:
At my location, it is much easier for me to afford or save for CPU/equipment that could do heavier transcoding than it is to afford recurring higher upstream bandwidth charges.
I’d say that is likely true for many of us.
Too many ‘debates’ in this thread as to the reasons for/against different ways.
They all boil down to the same answer - Plex server currently offers no easy way of client control.
We simply want multiple options that are not currently offered. Server side control of our clients in multiple ways.
Max upstream, max bitrate, and or max users at once, sure great starts.
Other features, icing on the cake (and honestly, a cake isn’t really a good cake without the icing)
Best way to alleviate many concurrent transcodes is to use the optimize feature. Requires more storage though, so depends how many users you share to.
@KarlDag said:
Best way to alleviate many concurrent transcodes is to use the optimize feature. Requires more storage though, so depends how many users you share to.
And how much content is in your library…Optimizing is not a great way to go if you have a massive library.
And I’ll say again -
Many of us simply want multiple options that are not currently offered.
Server side control of our clients in multiple ways.
I’ve seen the optimization discussion. It’s not for everyone, including me. I feel I’m already optimized.
I already limit majority of my HD/BR backups to 720p at ~5-6mbps for decent quality while keeping a decent file size.
Most (75%) of my library is DVD backups, SD/480 at ~2mbps.
Some video-philes would argue that my bitrate is too low; however, that is not my point here for this discussion (and the family/friends I share with disagree, especially since I already ask them to limit to 3mbps)
My point remains - Plex “optimization” doesn’t fit my need or want.
Many of us want more controls in the bucket of things to choose from (yes, even if “Optimizer” is in that bucket too)
@JamminR said:
And I’ll say again -
Many of us simply want multiple options that are not currently offered.
Server side control of our clients in multiple ways.
I’ve seen the optimization discussion. It’s not for everyone, including me. I feel I’m already optimized.
I already limit majority of my HD/BR backups to 720p at ~5-6mbps for decent quality while keeping a decent file size.
Most (75%) of my library is DVD backups, SD/480 at ~2mbps.
Some video-philes would argue that my bitrate is too low; however, that is not my point here for this discussion (and the family/friends I share with disagree, especially since I already ask them to limit to 3mbps)
My point remains - Plex “optimization” doesn’t fit my need or want.
Many of us want more controls in the bucket of things to choose from (yes, even if “Optimizer” is in that bucket too)
And besides unless your optimizing everything down to a terrible quality 1Mb stream it really doesn’t solve the issue when more than one remote stream is requested for the average user who in many cases has a 2 Mb upload limit.
Finer controls and more options to limit are required.
@emperialbrewing This was the first thing obviously missing that I noticed after starting to share my library. I would love both bandwidth and data usage controls. As in, set a user to 5mbps max and/or a limit of 10 gigs of data usage per day (for example).
Not sure if its been said before in the past 27 pages, but i would love to have the ability to bandwidth cap and having it on a schedule would be nice too. 90% of the time i dont even notice when my server is being used by users outside my network. However with modern games switching to 120hz servers, my ping goes through the roof, and my ability to play drops. Currently my options are to offline my server, hope i can explain how to change their quality settings, or not play those games. Those really don’t seem like great options!
@thenameisbam@gmail.com said:
Not sure if its been said before in the past 27 pages,
Make sure you’ve 'like’d the first post as saying +1 doesn’t count, and, yep, it’s been said; a simple search of this thread for words ‘cap’ or ‘schedule’ show up several times.
And unfortunately, each time, we’re still left hoping more server side control items like this are added.
There are three bandwidth settings available…
One for local, One for remote and another for Online (not sure but I’m guessing that is for Plex.tv viewing.)
You can set what bandwidth stream for remote users but it is on a per user basis.
There also needs to be a limitation on how many users can stream or they need to change that remote setting to be a total CAP on remote meaning it gets divided up among the number of users. (which would probably be a disaster)
Easiest is probably making the remote setting a total cap and when a user is already streaming, new users get a too busy to stream message.
But I think it would be better to set a per user bandwidth in conjunction with a number of allowed users.
Each users gets a stream that is the Total Cap divided by the number of users.
Hi , haven’t been able to follow this topic quote by quote or by various threads, but doesn’t plex’s launch of Plex Cloud aim to NEGATE/QUASH this topic? … I have this strange feeling plex’s answer to this issue is to go ADOPT THE NEWLY LAUNCHED PLEX CLOUD SERVER via AMAZON only at least initially anyway…
Anyone got any thoughts on this BANDWIDTH issue if plex encourage servers to the cloud ?
@satyp said:
Hi , haven’t been able to follow this topic quote by quote or by various threads, but doesn’t plex’s launch of Plex Cloud aim to NEGATE/QUASH this topic? … I have this strange feeling plex’s answer to this issue is to go ADOPT THE NEWLY LAUNCHED PLEX CLOUD SERVER via AMAZON only at least initially anyway…
Anyone got any thoughts on this BANDWIDTH issue if plex encourage servers to the cloud ?
the ability to have a local servers isn’t going way.
We do not discuss possible future implementations
stop having strange feelings about the future. you’re not an oracle.
@satyp said:
Hi , haven’t been able to follow this topic quote by quote or by various threads, but doesn’t plex’s launch of Plex Cloud aim to NEGATE/QUASH this topic? … I have this strange feeling plex’s answer to this issue is to go ADOPT THE NEWLY LAUNCHED PLEX CLOUD SERVER via AMAZON only at least initially anyway…
Anyone got any thoughts on this BANDWIDTH issue if plex encourage servers to the cloud ?
the ability to have a local servers isn’t going way.
We do not discuss possible future implementations
stop having strange feelings about the future. you’re not an oracle.
Haha point noted #angrybird… didn’t say local servers are going “away”, I will still always use mine - ALWAYS!!, …
But whilst plex toy with the idea of introducing remote bandwidth throttling controls on the server I will be using plex cloud server, while the larger user base keeps waiting for feature that really should just have been present for PLEX’ client/server presentation from the onset.
Of Course Future Implementations - This is a discussion ain’t it!! :-0 , Correct me but you are DISCUSSING! plex and the possibility of implementing “throttling controls” on the server side IN FUTURE IMPLEMENTATIONS as the don’t exist in its CURRENT implementations aren’t you #getottahere
@BigWheel said:
I’m not discussing bandwidth control. I’m discussing the futility of your attempt at surmising what our possible reasons for doing things are.
yeah well I guess time will tell … Also not sure how helpful or is it futile, your responses have been in the grand scheme of this topic.
@satyp said:
Hi , haven’t been able to follow this topic quote by quote or by various threads, but doesn’t plex’s launch of Plex Cloud aim to NEGATE/QUASH this topic? … I have this strange feeling plex’s answer to this issue is to go ADOPT THE NEWLY LAUNCHED PLEX CLOUD SERVER via AMAZON only at least initially anyway…
Anyone got any thoughts on this BANDWIDTH issue if plex encourage servers to the cloud ?
I think you’re right, Plex would be happy if we just used Plex Cloud, which negates the need for upload speed limits.
I also think you’re wrong, Plex will implement upload speed limits. Someday. And it won’t be done the way we want it to be. But it will be there.
I don’t know what Plex’ intentions are for Plex Cloud but I think it might be a good way to handle the remote requests without the need to tie down the main server…
Something in the same way as Sync only the Cloud would request an upload of the media file from the main server and then the cloud would handle transcode of that file to the remote user.
Although I think that might run into some legal walls regarding transmission of copyrighted material.
I thought the Plex Cloud was merely a replacement for the Google and other cloud storage sites who tend to limit bandwidth and aren’t really built for good streaming…
