Plex Cloud: Questions about sharing, copyright and encryption

I agree to a point on what you say. However I am not personally concern about legality of my content, I just would not put it into someone else’s hands. If people want to criminals and steal from hard work artist, I cannot stop them from putting where they want.

My concerns is the impact of streaming content where the ISP are not going to be happy. Every ISP has a Fair Usage clause where if they feel you are being fair can ultimately block you all together. Now, true this does not happen often, but Plex Cloud is just adding more to what is already happening and it is only a matter of time before everyone loses with the ISP. They will either put on caps or start charging per byte transferred. These concepts are nothing new, they have been discussed several times before by the big ISP players and in some countries this already being done.

Now we can argue all we want about bandwidth requirements. Facts or facts and when Netflix claims to be able to stream 4K with a minimum of 15Mbps is ludicrous. Uncompressed 4K content is goes to consume 477MB/s. That is roughly 32 times more than what Netflix claims. So you are going to lose a lot of information which translates directly to quality. I know, I have Netflix 4K, a Insight 4K Laser projector, and a Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player, along with several reference material. You are simply not going to get even close to localized 4K over the internet.

@NVader2000 said:
Now we can argue all we want about bandwidth requirements. Facts or facts and when Netflix claims to be able to stream 4K with a minimum of 15Mbps is ludicrous. Uncompressed 4K content is goes to consume 477MB/s. That is roughly 32 times more than what Netflix claims. So you are going to lose a lot of information which translates directly to quality. I know, I have Netflix 4K, a Insight 4K Laser projector, and a Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player, along with several reference material. You are simply not going to get even close to localized 4K over the internet.

The world has moved to H.265 for 4K playback which can deliver exceptional performance well under 50Mb/s. If you check out the file specs on any LG, Sony or Samsung UltraHD showroom demo reel, you will see that. And home internet connections >50Mbps are increasingly common.

So there’s no reason you shouldn’t expect the same level of quality from Internet delivered 4K playback versus from a local network going 2016.

High bitrates >100Mbps are only required at the camera acquisition and editing stages of 4K video production and post-production - it’s complete overkill for playback only applications.

Seeing is believing and I seeing sub-par 4K from Netflix and believing that my localized 4K is far better. In all honesty I could care less what other people think or care to want. If they feel the 15Mbps is satisfactory for their 4K appetite then so be it. I only know that I want the best that technology can provide and nothing online in the regards to streaming 4K is going to win me over to localized 4K.

What does annoy me is when I over hear a conversation about how awesome their Netflix 4K is. Really, is this the standard that humanity has come to expect!? It is the “good enough” attitude that is driving the world to a apocalyptic toilet flush.

most of my stuff are ripped DVD TV episodes, a few ripped blu ray episodes, I don’t think that would be an issue, and I own all the disks

This is good conversation. I really don’t want my home videos exposed anywhere or even lost because we just don’t know how Amazon will treat our data. As others mentioned, and as a father, we take home videos of our kids and even the vanilla ones shouldn’t be unencrypted but certainly the ones where they are running around in a sprinkler naked shouldn’t have any unencrypted state.

Definitely rethinking the viability of a cloud store without data protection. Terms of service do not protect the consumer, they protect the host.

Hopefully the Plex Devs take a real gander at this and takeaway the real aspects of encryption desire. We are really in a world where there should be at-rest encryption on almost everything.

Users also shouldn’t have to wonder or worry that Amazon could hold their data hostage by cutting off their account. Their terms are so vague as to cut off any usage outside of the norm, whatever that may represent.

The cloud option is appealing but should address these concerns before it will be widely adopted.

@NVader2000 said:
I have Netflix 4K, a Insight 4K Laser projector

Umm, that’s a $100K projector.

@NVader2000 said:
In all honesty I could care less what other people think or care to want.

Hahaha! Love John Cleese. Own his Wine for the Confused. Fair enough, I care not at all. :slight_smile: Yes, the Insight projectors are not cheap. I like the Samsung player but feel that it could be better. Like 4096x2160 res. I am waiting for Denon to produce one.

Thank you for a good laugh on the Could care less video.

Here one for you. - YouTube

@peterhjalmarsson said:

@NVader2000 said:
I do not think you understand, encrypted or not does not protect your from Amazon, only from being hacked from outside of AWS. […]
That’s not true. Any meaningful encryption will be done outside of Amazon’s cloud, and sent back and forth to the Cloud Drive in encrypted form. Thus, Amazon can not access the original contents of the files, only the encrypted file,

This is very true and the primary reason that this will not be successful without the ability to integrate encryption and have a secure external key system that plex client uses to enable the streaming of your content without its own knowledge of the key itself.

This needs to be completely thought through and built in before most folks will use it.