Hey everyone,
I am looking to build a new pc and not sure if I should go with the 1500x with pass score around 10000 or the 1600 with a score around 13000, with that the only thing I would be gaining since this pc will only see plex and Usenet is the extra pass marks for an additional stream? I don’t run any vms or dockers. Looking at intel i7 6700k with pass score around 10000 is it safe to say plex would run that same on that to a 1500x?
Any advice?
Thanks
I find Passmarks are a good general number. For PMS, the biggest consideration though is the ‘Per Core/ Per Thread’ throughput. e.g. A quad core, hyperthreaded Intel i7 (8 logical cores) (at WAY higher price) isn’t going to be faster than 6 physical core (non-hyperthreaded) AMD at the same clock rate.
I could go into machine-clocks per instruction but that’s really down deep.
(Passmarks / number of logical cores) gives a good first-pass metric. IMHO
@soupynj said:
Hey everyone,I am looking to build a new pc and not sure if I should go with the 1500x with pass score around 10000 or the 1600 with a score around 13000, with that the only thing I would be gaining since this pc will only see plex and Usenet is the extra pass marks for an additional stream? I don’t run any vms or dockers. Looking at intel i7 6700k with pass score around 10000 is it safe to say plex would run that same on that to a 1500x?
Any advice?
Thanks
I had the same issue. What processor to choose. I came from an FX8320 that was getting long in the tooth and at times struggling to keep up. I originally planned to go Intel but then Ryzen launched. I like AMD because of the price and since I don’t play games on this machine my choice was clear. I went with the Ryzen 1800x and couldn’t be happier. I don’t have many friends using my library but I have had 6 to 8 streams going at once and everyone reported that playback was just fine. On my local network it was marvelous. I wouldn’t be scared of Ryzen at all.
I would purchase a good AM4 motherboard with multiple HDMI outputs, and a cheap Ryzen CPU and throw in an AMD GPU that I already have or add a cheap RX460 (I a single slot XFX Rx460).
Then when AMD releases their Ryzen with Vega GPU integrated (APU) I would get the most powerful model my chassis could support (thermally speaking).
Simple build, good performance per watt and a socket AMD has already stated will be around for a while - 5 years.
This way you don’t have to rebuild your server every couple years, move components, hassle with driver conflicts, or the dreaded moving of your PMS database and thumbnail library etch.
@jrinehart76 said:
@soupynj said:
Hey everyone,I am looking to build a new pc and not sure if I should go with the 1500x with pass score around 10000 or the 1600 with a score around 13000, with that the only thing I would be gaining since this pc will only see plex and Usenet is the extra pass marks for an additional stream? I don’t run any vms or dockers. Looking at intel i7 6700k with pass score around 10000 is it safe to say plex would run that same on that to a 1500x?
Any advice?
Thanks
I had the same issue. What processor to choose. I came from an FX8320 that was getting long in the tooth and at times struggling to keep up. I originally planned to go Intel but then Ryzen launched. I like AMD because of the price and since I don’t play games on this machine my choice was clear. I went with the Ryzen 1800x and couldn’t be happier. I don’t have many friends using my library but I have had 6 to 8 streams going at once and everyone reported that playback was just fine. On my local network it was marvelous. I wouldn’t be scared of Ryzen at all.
I would like to keep my funds under the 300 for the CPU I am in Canada so it’s either the 1600 or 1500x only have 4 people streaming but I’d like future proof for some 4k.
Mobo I was looking at the ASUS PRIME X370-PRO since it also has 8 data ports not much more than somthing with 6 ports.
@jfreiman said:
I would purchase a good AM4 motherboard with multiple HDMI outputs, and a cheap Ryzen CPU and throw in an AMD GPU that I already have or add a cheap RX460 (I a single slot XFX Rx460).
Then when AMD releases their Ryzen with Vega GPU integrated (APU) I would get the most powerful model my chassis could support (thermally speaking).
Simple build, good performance per watt and a socket AMD has already stated will be around for a while - 5 years.
This way you don’t have to rebuild your server every couple years, move components, hassle with driver conflicts, or the dreaded moving of your PMS database and thumbnail library etch.
I won’t be gaming so no point in the GPU since hw transcoding is only Intel right now correct ? Mobo looking at is ASUS PRIME X370-PRO the price is good also has 8 data port, I could go cheaper and add a PCI e for more sata but the price isn’t to far off for the extra 2 ports compared to 6
@ChuckPA said:
I find Passmarks are a good general number. For PMS, the biggest consideration though is the ‘Per Core/ Per Thread’ throughput. e.g. A quad core, hyperthreaded Intel i7 (8 logical cores) (at WAY higher price) isn’t going to be faster than 6 physical core (non-hyperthreaded) AMD at the same clock rate.I could go into machine-clocks per instruction but that’s really down deep.
(Passmarks / number of logical cores) gives a good first-pass metric. IMHO
Thanks for the reply
@soupynj said:
@jfreiman said:
I would purchase a good AM4 motherboard with multiple HDMI outputs, and a cheap Ryzen CPU and throw in an AMD GPU that I already have or add a cheap RX460 (I a single slot XFX Rx460).
Then when AMD releases their Ryzen with Vega GPU integrated (APU) I would get the most powerful model my chassis could support (thermally speaking).
Simple build, good performance per watt and a socket AMD has already stated will be around for a while - 5 years.
This way you don’t have to rebuild your server every couple years, move components, hassle with driver conflicts, or the dreaded moving of your PMS database and thumbnail library etch.I won’t be gaming so no point in the GPU since hw transcoding is only Intel right now correct ? Mobo looking at is ASUS PRIME X370-PRO the price is good also has 8 data port, I could go cheaper and add a PCI e for more sata but the price isn’t to far off for the extra 2 ports compared to 6
HW Transcoding works with Nvidia consumer cards (2 stream limit) or pro cards (no limit), AMD (no limit) or Intel QuickSync (no limit). This is semi-operating system dependent since you need proper drivers. I can say on windows all 3 work and I have 3 different servers each running one different technology. My main Plex server is an old 1st gen i7 at 2.8Ghz with an AMD XFX Double D R9 280X and it works great.
@cayars said:
@soupynj said:
@jfreiman said:
I would purchase a good AM4 motherboard with multiple HDMI outputs, and a cheap Ryzen CPU and throw in an AMD GPU that I already have or add a cheap RX460 (I a single slot XFX Rx460).
Then when AMD releases their Ryzen with Vega GPU integrated (APU) I would get the most powerful model my chassis could support (thermally speaking).
Simple build, good performance per watt and a socket AMD has already stated will be around for a while - 5 years.
This way you don’t have to rebuild your server every couple years, move components, hassle with driver conflicts, or the dreaded moving of your PMS database and thumbnail library etch.I won’t be gaming so no point in the GPU since hw transcoding is only Intel right now correct ? Mobo looking at is ASUS PRIME X370-PRO the price is good also has 8 data port, I could go cheaper and add a PCI e for more sata but the price isn’t to far off for the extra 2 ports compared to 6
HW Transcoding works with Nvidia consumer cards (2 stream limit) or pro cards (no limit), AMD (no limit) or Intel QuickSync (no limit). This is semi-operating system dependent since you need proper drivers. I can say on windows all 3 work and I have 3 different servers each running one different technology. My main Plex server is an old 1st gen i7 at 2.8Ghz with an AMD XFX Double D R9 280X and it works great.
Thanks for the info that card is a little out of my price range, do you prefer hw transcoding apposed to CPU? So many options either go ryzen and poss get a GPU later or get an old i7 and go your route or an i7 6700k and use quick sync overall if the PC is only a server is hw trancoding nesseary if not many other task are going ?
Check Craigs list, ebay etc for used video cards. I picked this AMD card up from Craigs list 2 or 3 years ago for $150 and they would be cheaper now most likely. It’s got plenty of power for my needs since I don’t stream HEVC 4K outside my house unless I know the client can direct play it. So don’t forget about the possibility of picking up a GPU used at a vast discount.
Right now HW transcoding is limited since there is no CPU fallback for unsupported codecs but since I have nothing but MP4/h.264 for my main movie and TV Show library it does allow me to run this in my production environment.
I can say with certainty if it were me, I would purchase an i7 and not AMD for my Plex machine, but that’s just me. LOL
@cayars said:
Check Craigs list, ebay etc for used video cards. I picked this AMD card up from Craigs list 2 or 3 years ago for $150 and they would be cheaper now most likely. It’s got plenty of power for my needs since I don’t stream HEVC 4K outside my house unless I know the client can direct play it. So don’t forget about the possibility of picking up a GPU used at a vast discount.Right now HW transcoding is limited since there is no CPU fallback for unsupported codecs but since I have nothing but MP4/h.264 for my main movie and TV Show library it does allow me to run this in my production environment.
I can say with certainty if it were me, I would purchase an i7 and not AMD for my Plex machine, but that’s just me. LOL
I’ll check Reddit too hardware swap on there is decent, what’s the reason for Intel just a fan ?
No not particularly, but it has QuickSync built in which will be a big advantage for Plex in the future.
@jrinehart76 said:
@soupynj said:
Hey everyone,I am looking to build a new pc and not sure if I should go with the 1500x with pass score around 10000 or the 1600 with a score around 13000, with that the only thing I would be gaining since this pc will only see plex and Usenet is the extra pass marks for an additional stream? I don’t run any vms or dockers. Looking at intel i7 6700k with pass score around 10000 is it safe to say plex would run that same on that to a 1500x?
Any advice?
Thanks
I had the same issue. What processor to choose. I came from an FX8320 that was getting long in the tooth and at times struggling to keep up. I originally planned to go Intel but then Ryzen launched. I like AMD because of the price and since I don’t play games on this machine my choice was clear. I went with the Ryzen 1800x and couldn’t be happier. I don’t have many friends using my library but I have had 6 to 8 streams going at once and everyone reported that playback was just fine. On my local network it was marvelous. I wouldn’t be scared of Ryzen at all.
^ What he said, exactly.
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .
Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
@KarlDag said:
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
ryzen 1600 is the same price as the i5-7500 " here in Canada", Is there a list of supported gpu’s? I know Nvidia only has two streams supported right now.
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
ryzen 1600 is the same price as the i5-7500 " here in Canada", Is there a list of supported gpu’s? I know Nvidia only has two streams supported right now.
I’m in Canada too. For the same price you’re getting the integrated GPU so much more power for Plex (in the near future). Intel == Nvidia. Intel has quicksync, which is not limited to 2 streams.
No official list of GPUs yet, but if you look up going generations you can find out what they support for hardware decoding and encoding… Posted links is a while back in this thread.
@KarlDag said:
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
ryzen 1600 is the same price as the i5-7500 " here in Canada", Is there a list of supported gpu’s? I know Nvidia only has two streams supported right now.
I’m in Canada too. For the same price you’re getting the integrated GPU so much more power for Plex (in the near future). Intel == Nvidia. Intel has quicksync, which is not limited to 2 streams.
No official list of GPUs yet, but if you look up going generations you can find out what they support for hardware decoding and encoding… Posted links is a while back in this thread.
What is your current set up?
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
ryzen 1600 is the same price as the i5-7500 " here in Canada", Is there a list of supported gpu’s? I know Nvidia only has two streams supported right now.
I’m in Canada too. For the same price you’re getting the integrated GPU so much more power for Plex (in the near future). Intel == Nvidia. Intel has quicksync, which is not limited to 2 streams.
No official list of GPUs yet, but if you look up going generations you can find out what they support for hardware decoding and encoding… Posted links is a while back in this thread.
What is your current set up?
I’m currently using an i5-7500 with 8gb RAM. I don’t share with lots of users because my upload speed is limited to 20Mb/s, but it has been rock solid, transcodes all my files in realtime including some HEVC 10 bit 4k files, and that’s WITHOUT the HW transcoding because it’s not stable enough for me yet.
Even ran it with 4gb for a while because one stick wasn’t properly pushed in its slot and didn’t notice a difference… But all I run is PMS, emby server (for comparison purposes, I’m the only user and rarely use it), sonarr and deluge.
I used a Mac mini 2011 before, it worked well and did everything I needed from it except transcode HEVC, but I got tired of the fans spinning up and getting noisy because my server is right next to my main tv.
@KarlDag said:
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
@soupynj said:
@KarlDag said:
I would just add a RX460 and get hardware transcoding supported very soon . Or get a cheaper Kaby lake cpu (I chose the i5-7500 but a 7350 probably would have been fine) and benefit from quicksync very soon with HEVC 10 bit supported .Nothing against ryzen, great CPUs, but with HW transcoding coming soon it doesn’t make sense to spend to get so much cpu power (and motherboard and ram) when similar transcoding power can be had for less money.
ryzen 1600 is the same price as the i5-7500 " here in Canada", Is there a list of supported gpu’s? I know Nvidia only has two streams supported right now.
I’m in Canada too. For the same price you’re getting the integrated GPU so much more power for Plex (in the near future). Intel == Nvidia. Intel has quicksync, which is not limited to 2 streams.
No official list of GPUs yet, but if you look up going generations you can find out what they support for hardware decoding and encoding… Posted links is a while back in this thread.
What is your current set up?
I’m currently using an i5-7500 with 8gb RAM. I don’t share with lots of users because my upload speed is limited to 20Mb/s, but it has been rock solid, transcodes all my files in realtime including some HEVC 10 bit 4k files, and that’s WITHOUT the HW transcoding because it’s not stable enough for me yet.
Even ran it with 4gb for a while because one stick wasn’t properly pushed in its slot and didn’t notice a difference… But all I run is PMS, emby server (for comparison purposes, I’m the only user and rarely use it), sonarr and deluge.
I used a Mac mini 2011 before, it worked well and did everything I needed from it except transcode HEVC, but I got tired of the fans spinning up and getting noisy because my server is right next to my main tv.
Sonnar is good check out raddar for movies it’s awesome. Eith quick sync would that run in conjunction with your GPU? What benefit does it bring over just having a dedicated gpu other than the fact of not fully needing one?
QuickSync is the software/drivers for the Intel GPU. It’s a GPU same as adding one in via a PCI slot. It’s just Intel vs AMD or Nvidia.
