So far, Thank you everyone for your help. Ok I think I see the one that was over 6000 was because it lists as a 8x10 80tb. I think its because it’s coming with 8 10tb hdd drives. I already have Enterprise drives at 12tb hdd. So I dont need that. So I looked at what your talking about ChuckPa TVS-1282T3-i7-32 GB what do you think about if I did that but instead go up a notch and get a TVS-1282T3-i7-64 GB. Would all the other stuff you list be good or would I need to change everything with the 64GB
I’m sorry if I wasn’t as clear as I had hoped.
To try and say again
- TVS-1282T3-i7-64GB
- TL-D1600S
The prices I show are without HDDs; which is as it should be.
If you’d like the rest of the “Shopping List” 
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2x - Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB - M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-N6E1T0BW).
a. You can get the PRO version of this if you want longer write endurance
b. You can also get the 2TB versions now. -
Heat sinks for the SSD - 3 per SSD (they do get warm under heavy use) These are QNAP’s.
https://www.amazon.com/Heatsink-for-M-2-Ssd-Module/dp/B01IFFZN3A
- Other 2.5" SSDs as you deem appropriate.
Be advised, QTS will erase all drives as you install them so don’t use drives with content on them.
If you go this route, I’ll be more than happy to help you go through initial configuration to get QTS in the right place and the array properly sized .
(QTS is not very flexible once the drives are allocated. You would need destroy and recreate the RAID volumes – which takes time
Hi ChuckPa am I still having to still buy the below items and still this below that you wrote before the last message you wrote
- TL-D1600S PCIe-SATA expansion. - 12x 3.5" + 4x 2.5"
- Units are linked via PCIe card which comes with the TL-DL1600S.
How it will work.
- Remove the Thunderbolt adapter from the TVS-1282
- Install the TL-D1600S interface card in the vacant slot.
- The TVS-1282 will be the single control point. The expansion box is just that; hard drive expansion. Each unit is equipped with its own internal power supply.
- A total of 20x 3.5" bays will be available; all at full SATA-3 speed. The only configuration limitation is that a RAID volume cannot mix drives across chassis boundaries.
- A total of 8x 2.5" bays will be available, also at full SATA-3 speed, for use as needed.
I recommend installing M.2 SSDs for QTS (the OS) on the TVS-1282’s motherboard while the cover is open and before initial setup.
This will keep the OS and the data storage separate.
I use Samsung 860 Pro 1TB SSDs . Installing both increases I/O performance and allows redundancy (RAID the two together as one)
Yes. The “How it will work” is
- my explaining to you how to physically attach the TL-D1600S to the TVS-1282T3
- explaining the logical configuration you’ll see (The TVS-1282 will be the “NAS” function and in control of everything as you normally would expect)
- I then gave you the totals of how many drive bays you will have
QNAP and I spent about an hour on the phone yesterday figuring out what looked like the best way to satisfy your need at lowest cost while still giving you room to expand more with what you have before needing to buy anything additional. Will 20 HDD bays be sufficient?
The two units will need sit adjacent each other due to the connecting cables (4 short cables which provide the HDD links )
Lastly, I suggested added the M.2 SSDs to the TVS-1282’s motherboard to install the OS on. The OS will be on the M.2 SSDs and your media on the main HDDs
I can find some photos of those and how to install but the installation guide makes it straight forward. Once installed, you won’t need to touch them again for several years; if ever.
Hi ChuckPa thanks for your help you have been a great help and taking all this time to help me. I will give you a list by tomorrow on what I have found that you have listed. And let me know if there is anything else I’m missing. I wish there was a number for Plex I can talk to you in person
Here is another Question. You mentioned when we first started talking that I needed a PCIe - NVMe SSD expansion card. Do I still need one and if I do what one would you recommend through B & H. And should I take 2 M.2 ssd drive and combined them for the OS?
No, the card (PCIe NVMe) is not required.
I was counting slots and potential uses later on.
I have the card, purchased through Amazon (same price as B&H):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CVGZZCS
This model (QM2-2P-384) allows both NVMe SSDs to operate at full speed without saturating the PCIe slot interface (it’s a short slot, not a long slot). I currently only have 1 SSD populated and use it as the cache for the main HDD array only
I have combined the M.2 SSD slots to make them as RAID 1 to improve i/o read speed as well as fundamental redundancy. Combining will double the read speed (as shown here). Notice the write speed is the standard 535 MB/sec SATA limit.
Here is the I/O performance test report .
Drives are:
(md1) 1 & 2 = Motherboard M.2 SSDs
(md2) 7 - 14 = Main 3.5" HDD array
(md3) 3 = single slot 2.5" SSD
(md4) 4 & 5 = 2.5" SSDs (for my VM storage)
(md5) P1-1 = PCIe SSD card (slot 1)
[~] # qcli_storage -Tt
fio test command for physical disk: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=1 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
fio test command for RAID: /sbin/fio --filename=test_device --direct=0 --rw=read --bs=1M --runtime=15 --name=test-read --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=32 &>/tmp/qcli_storage.log
Start testing!
Performance test is finished 100.000%...
Enclosure Port Sys_Name Throughput RAID RAID_Type RAID_Throughput Pool
NAS_HOST 1 /dev/sda 534.60 MB/s /dev/md1 RAID 1 1003.00 MB/s 288
NAS_HOST 2 /dev/sdb 535.69 MB/s /dev/md1 RAID 1 1003.00 MB/s 288
NAS_HOST 3 /dev/sde 540.41 MB/s /dev/md3 Single 539.36 MB/s 290
NAS_HOST 4 /dev/sdc 527.49 MB/s /dev/md4 RAID 0 1.04 GB/s 291
NAS_HOST 5 /dev/sdf 531.31 MB/s /dev/md4 RAID 0 1.04 GB/s 291
NAS_HOST 6 /dev/sdd 132.11 MB/s -- -- -- --
NAS_HOST 7 /dev/sdh 191.80 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 8 /dev/sdg 191.58 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 9 /dev/sdn 190.84 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 10 /dev/sdm 200.80 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 11 /dev/sdk 195.51 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 12 /dev/sdl 189.13 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 13 /dev/sdi 197.39 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST 14 /dev/sdj 201.76 MB/s /dev/md2 RAID 5 1.20 GB/s 289
NAS_HOST P1-1 /dev/nvme0n1 3.26 GB/s /dev/md5 Single 3.26 GB/s 256
[~] #
I mean the motherboard has a place I can put 2 M.2 SSD drives with out buying 2 (QM2-2P-384) . Then just buy 1 (QM2-2P-384) for the cache array on the HDD.
I’m going to buy 3 Samsung 970 PRO SSD 1TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7P1T0BW), Black/Red. 2 for the OS and 1 for the cache. Unless you think I should get 2 for the OS and 2 for the cache. Do you think having 2 for the cache would be better or does it matter?
Hold up!
- Both motherboard M.2 are SATA-3 only (860 Pro) not NVMe (970 Pro)
- We need to count PCIe slots one more time before putting in the NVMe cache card.
Give me a few minutes… BRB
For the NVMe SSD, I use the same.
Samsung 970 PRO SSD 1TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7P1T0BW)
I’m waiting for QNAP Sales rep to call me back with the slot map so you know what goes where. This is because one of the Lightning ports (1/2 height) needs to be removed. I want to make sure it’s ok before telling you.
Sounds good thanks. How about ram as well do I need to add ram and if so what ram and what would be best
The NAS, as shipped with 64 GB, is already matched and also is maximum for an i7 machine. If you run out of RAM, you’re abusing it 
So pretty much over kill
Ok, Reply has been received from QNAP Sales rep.
Hello Chuck,
It was a pleasure speaking with you a few days ago!
Following up on your question for installing the QM2-2P-384 card into the TVS-1282T3.
You can remove any of the Thunderbolt 3 cards and install it in those PCIe slots.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks!
This is what I expected. The interface card for the TL-D1600S cables looks to be a full height card and will need the lower-right slot.
One of the left two slots will be utilized for the NVME cache card (QM2-2P-384 w/ Samsung 970 Pro SSDs on it)
This thing is going to really haul some serious mail.
Sounds good. Some good info. Now there are 2 of these slots im assuming and what will take up both slots then on the 1282T3 will be the TL-D1600S interface card as well as the QNAP QM2-2P-384 Dual M.2 PCIe SSD Expansion Card?
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