@HitsVille said:
Hey @anon0
I decided to give Plex an install on my Feral slot purely to help you troubleshoot.
So here we go. I use PMP as my client and I’m using Blu-ray quality MKV at around 13 mbps on the Feral slot… Also I should add I’m on a 300/20 connection at home.
Initially after install I fired up an episode of Better Call Saul. Playback was fine though not a particularly stunning picture. Any alterations to the quality on the fly in PMP above 4mbps would make PMP complain about the transcoder and throw up an error. I then realised that the master settings in PMP were only set to 4 mbps for remote streams. After altering the settings in the client It transcodes at any quality and even happily direct plays.(Obviously helped my the speed of my home connection.)
What client are you using? Was it a Roku? Whatever it is have you altered the remote quality settings within settings itself? On the fly alterations failed but setting the fixed option in Video>>Remote quality works great for me.
Hi HitsVille,
So are you saying that you can stream at the Original quality setting without any buffering problems, 20Mbps+? That indicates it’s a problem on my client end rather than on Feral’s end. I was thinking about cancelling my slot with them and getting a dedicated server, perhaps from Kimsufi but if this is the case then that wouldn’t help.
Is your provider Virgin and if not what country are you in? Are you on the Helium slot also, as Feral offer some SSD slots which wouldn’t have disk IO issues.
Hi Chappas.
Yes I am getting full 1080p direct stream from my feral box, however I haven’t tried with a Remux so more like 15Mbps maximum. Not something I plan to use really but it did work on the £15 slot with Feral.
With regards to my ISP, no I’m on BT and fortunate enough to have FTTP/H.
Having said all that I’m currently testing a ByteSized box (I do like to tinker). It is 48 euros inc VAT so quite a bit more expensive. But then again it has 4TB of space (Its basically a semi-dedi) with installable apps at the touch of a button… and yes I did dismiss ByteSized as crap on the cheaper slots and still maintain that view.
But Its a totally different class and I’m using it to upload to Amazon ready for when the invite comes for the cloud server and giving myself some redundancy at the same time. 15TB done about 30TB to go
I didn’t test a 1080p remux on the feral box but I have on the ByteSized box. Absolutely awesome playback to PMP. I did pretty much a full day of viewing 1080p regular and remixes. Not single buffer all day. Its a 1Gbit connection shared with one other user rather than the 20 Gbit with Feral shared between god knows how many.
If you’re comfortable with Linux then maybe a self installed dedi. If you want to take the chance with Feral and remuxes then it’s worth a try. But the lower the price of the slot, the more users using the bandwidth and disk array… It only takes one idiot raping trackers for ratio to destroy your experience.
EDIT… I should have added that the ByteSized can point Plex To Amazon Cloud Drive(ACD). All my awesome Playback was done from ACD. I haven’t actually played anything back from the ByteSized box itself.
@HitsVille said:
Hey @anon0
I decided to give Plex an install on my Feral slot purely to help you troubleshoot.
So here we go. I use PMP as my client and I’m using Blu-ray quality MKV at around 13 mbps on the Feral slot… Also I should add I’m on a 300/20 connection at home.
Initially after install I fired up an episode of Better Call Saul. Playback was fine though not a particularly stunning picture. Any alterations to the quality on the fly in PMP above 4mbps would make PMP complain about the transcoder and throw up an error. I then realised that the master settings in PMP were only set to 4 mbps for remote streams. After altering the settings in the client It transcodes at any quality and even happily direct plays.(Obviously helped my the speed of my home connection.)
What client are you using? Was it a Roku? Whatever it is have you altered the remote quality settings within settings itself? On the fly alterations failed but setting the fixed option in Video>>Remote quality works great for me.
Hi HitsVille,
So are you saying that you can stream at the Original quality setting without any buffering problems, 20Mbps+? That indicates it’s a problem on my client end rather than on Feral’s end. I was thinking about cancelling my slot with them and getting a dedicated server, perhaps from Kimsufi but if this is the case then that wouldn’t help.
Is your provider Virgin and if not what country are you in? Are you on the Helium slot also, as Feral offer some SSD slots which wouldn’t have disk IO issues.
Hi Chappas.
Yes I am getting full 1080p direct stream from my feral box, however I haven’t tried with a Remux so more like 15Mbps maximum. Not something I plan to use really but it did work on the £15 slot with Feral.
With regards to my ISP, no I’m on BT and fortunate enough to have FTTP/H.
Having said all that I’m currently testing a ByteSized box (I do like to tinker). It is 48 euros inc VAT so quite a bit more expensive. But then again it has 4TB of space (Its basically a semi-dedi) with installable apps at the touch of a button… and yes I did dismiss ByteSized as crap on the cheaper slots and still maintain that view.
But Its a totally different class and I’m using it to upload to Amazon ready for when the invite comes for the cloud server and giving myself some redundancy at the same time. 15TB done about 30TB to go
I didn’t test a 1080p remux on the feral box but I have on the ByteSized box. Absolutely awesome playback to PMP. I did pretty much a full day of viewing 1080p regular and remixes. Not single buffer all day. Its a 1Gbit connection shared with one other user rather than the 20 Gbit with Feral shared between god knows how many.
If you’re comfortable with Linux then maybe a self installed dedi. If you want to take the chance with Feral and remuxes then it’s worth a try. But the lower the price of the slot, the more users using the bandwidth and disk array… It only takes one idiot raping trackers for ratio to destroy your experience.
EDIT… I should have added that the ByteSized can point Plex To Amazon Cloud Drive(ACD). All my awesome Playback was done from ACD. I haven’t actually played anything back from the ByteSized box itself.
But the problem with ByteSized is the upload cap, if you upload to ACD it counts, if you stream from the box to a Plex client it counts.
For my problem I’ll with another home connection and see if the problem is still there.
Which box are you testing on ByteSized because the 15 € stream box does not support ACD.
But the problem with ByteSized is the upload cap, if you upload to ACD it counts, if you stream from the box to a Plex client it counts.
For my problem I’ll with another home connection and see if the problem is still there.
Which box are you testing on ByteSized because the 15 € stream box does not support ACD.
No that’s true however 15TB of data a month will fill my needs easily especially as it is in the main, old season packs that have very few peers. So there isn’t really much upload happening on the torrenting itself . Its the dedi-stream (Split) and I think I did mention earlier that it’s far more expensive at 40 Euros plus VAT. Once I have effectively mirrored my server to ACD in a few months time hopefully the “Plex Cloud Server” will be available to us all and more stable. At which point I will probably go back to Feral for my day to day torrenting.
It will not be an ideal solution for all, especially at that price but it does fit my personal needs pretty well.
@HitsVille hi, I have some news. I’ve tried Plex Home Theater on Windows and with this I don’t have buffering. So I’ve tried with: plex.tv, browser from the server, PS4, Android app, on all of this I have buffering. Does these apps requires a different form of transcoding that feral hosting can’t handle? Does Plex Home Theater handle Plex differently?
@anon0 said: @HitsVille hi, I have some news. I’ve tried Plex Home Theater on Windows and with this I don’t have buffering. So I’ve tried with: plex.tv, browser from the server, PS4, Android app, on all of this I have buffering. Does these apps requires a different form of transcoding that feral hosting can’t handle? Does Plex Home Theater handle Plex differently?
I honestly couldn’t tell you. Plex Home Theatre is no longer developed by Plex and I have never used it anyway.
It does make me wonder if the issue is a “Streaming Brain” one though. Obviously as PHT is no longer developed it almost certainly will not talk to the server about bandwidth, in the way all newer apps do.
OpenPHT is an option that is still developed if you don’t mind the Plex Home Theatre interface.
1,5 MB/s = 12 Mb/s (so I should be able to stream up to 12 Mbps)
but the streaming speed with Plex is not possible with a bitrate higher than 5-6 Mbps. Is it really so differente the download of the file from Plex from the streaming?
@Gloppie_ said:
Look into iperf3 do some tests, call out your $ISP. mtr is also another good tool. Look for packet loss and packet resends with both.
Thank you, I can’t find anything about irpef online (link?). I downloaded winmtr but I get ‘‘no response from host’’ for EVERY host that I test. I think it is a problem of the app, what am I doing wrong while running winmtr?
I downloaded winmtr but I get ‘‘no response from host’’ for EVERY host that I test. I think it is a problem of the app, what am I doing wrong while running winmtr?
But for Irpef should I install Irpef also on the seedbox? Am I allowed to do that without admin priviliges?
For winmtr, i downloaded the a copy not from the official, I think that is the problem. On the second screenshot there is the right winmtr. Is it a good test?
Just thought I’d comment on some observations I’ve made recently. I moved away from my shared seedbox in search of a solution, and rented a dedicated server on which I’ve installed Ubuntu.
I’ve installed speedtest.net on this and get between 600mbps - 900mbps down and 150-200mbps up.
Initially I was still having problems streaming through to plex, although it was slightly better, however my ISP confirmed they were having network wide infrastructure issues are were working on repairing them, and this was confirmed by consistently inconsistent download speeds at home.
These issues have now been resolved and I was streaming a file yesterday at the 20mbps setting on plex with no issues. The file had a max rate of 41mbps and while this would stream in some parts okay on my 50mbps home connection, there was still buffering every few mins.
Therefore a few conclusions occur:
A shared seedbox will be sharing the hard drive across a high number of users, sometimes hundreds. If other users are utilizing the drive at the same time you’re trying to stream then the hard drive will encounter I/O limitations, and will cause your stream to slow down.
A shared seedbox will share the same issues as above with regards to it’s upload speed
It’s worth remembering that the bitrate plex describes is a average across the whole file. Therefore if you watch a film with a 10mbps bitrate, there will be quiet portions of the films where the bitrate will drop to 1 or 2 mbps. Then there will be parts of the film where the actions and SFX kick in, the surround sound is going crazy and the bitrate could jump to 20+mbps.
Plex may have some overhead bandwidth which is required when compared to simply downloading the file via FTP, although this is something I’ve not been able to confirm.
Finally, and most likely, any problems you’re having are probably due to your ISP, as it was in my case. Either your speed is insufficient to handle the higher peaks of bitrate within the file, or they’re possibly throttling the speed if they detect you’re streaming and don’t subscribe to net neutrality rules.
