Your using common sense. It costs money and illogical technicalities to deal with companies like Rovi who’s existence is based on other people’s ideas. IceTV won a battle in Australia against the primary guide data provider but it cost a lot of time and money.
@pallotto said:
thats exactly what it means@chrisgrandy said:
So does that mean that Microsoft with Windows Media Center and Comcast and AT&T license these patents for their implementations?
Possibly, however even if it was copyrighted , it would have expired years ago. This sound more like a excuse as Plex has become icon crazy over the last couple of years and I doubt they even asked if guide display format patents are even valid. I’m still hopeful that Plex will change the guide to match SiliconDust DVR, Windows Media Center, NPVR, etc and until then I have gone back to the ancient NPVR with a zap2xml to make the guide reasonable and then only exposed the results via Plex once MCEBuddy has processed the files.
All the tools exist, please integrate.
When I cut the cable next month, good-bye to the cable-box grid. Plex is all that I will have, DVR-wise. HDHomeRun doesn’t work through Roku (yet, if ever), so the Plex DVR is it. In anticipation of the cut-over, I’ve been spending some time using it. Yes, it’s different, but not unusable. Not great, but usable. Or raise the Plex Pass fee $1 to pay for licensing (half kidding, half serious).
It would be nice to have a client-side ability to select what to record, not just thru a browser on a laptop,etc.
As far as a guide, the other plex-like project has a standard grid view on clients and web browser; not sure how they are able to do that… The grid is not as smooth/slick on the Roku as others (Firetv, etc), but they are working on it.
Yes, why are the DVR controls only available through a connected computer versus being on the Plex channel on the streaming device? Seems logical to place the controls on the client end. But sometimes it’s illogical to apply logic.
Getting the DVR working on the server is first priority, but I’m hoping they’ll put out a client beta with a guide in the next few months.
I develop programs also and understand delays can happen due to issues popping up, information not forth coming, people turn-over, etc…which can effect you schedule to get things out there.
Is there a way of seeing what channel each show is on, it doesn’t show up in the blurb beneath each thumbnail?
@lmolter said:
When I cut the cable next month, good-bye to the cable-box grid. Plex is all that I will have, DVR-wise. HDHomeRun doesn’t work through Roku (yet, if ever), so the Plex DVR is it. In anticipation of the cut-over, I’ve been spending some time using it. Yes, it’s different, but not unusable. Not great, but usable. Or raise the Plex Pass fee $1 to pay for licensing (half kidding, half serious).
**Heck yes, I would pay extra for my Plex Pass with an added channel grid feature and DVR working for M-Card encrypted channels as I could finally dump Microsoft Media Center!!
Without the grid the UI is very difficult to schedule in advance and converting series recording schedules is near impossible at best very manual process but I am recording many of my shows natively in Plex reprocessing with MCEBuddy and adding back to Plex since the MSFT Guide screwups starting 6/28/2017.
@ian.spencer said:
If you read many posts a lot of people want this but there may be a copywrite issue Rovi have a copyright. Netflix did a successful challenge but it’s not clear if it covers what you are talking about. I have seen no comments from Plex yet TiVo’s “TV Guide” patents are DOA at appeals court | Ars Technica
I’m sorry Ian that has nothing to do with a reg traditional TV timeline grid type of view in
@shspvr – If the Rovi patent isn’t applicable to the grid timeline, why hasn’t Plex implemented one that looks like what people expect. Even my Samsung TV’s channel guide for the OTA broadcasts is grid-like. There’s got to be more to this than meets the eye.
@lmolter said:
@shspvr – If the Rovi patent isn’t applicable to the grid timeline, why hasn’t Plex implemented one that looks like what people expect. Even my Samsung TV’s channel guide for the OTA broadcasts is grid-like. There’s got to be more to this than meets the eye.
You do know they change there name to TiVo right ?.
That I don’t know but it surely it can’t be due to TiVo as if that where the case then why hasn’t TiVo sued every one else out there ? let see there SageTV, NextPVR, Emby, MythTV shell I go on ? as there are min more out there some of which are just only EPG app.
Here are the most common one that Rovi/TiVo has been sue over base on old other law suit.
U.S. Patent No. 9,172,987 Publication date Oct 27, 2015 Filing date Jul 28, 2011, Priority date Jun 11, 1999
U.S. Patent No. 8,755,666 Publication date Jun 17, 2014 Filing date Jul 26, 2013, Priority date Jul 17, 1998
U.S. Patent No. 8,713,595 Publication date Apr 29, 2014 Filing date May 14, 2004, Priority date Apr 6, 1995
U.S. Patent No. 8,433,696 Publication date Apr 30, 2013 Filing date Aug 27, 2010, Priority date Aug 26, 2005 (1)
U.S. Patent No. 8,122,034 Publication date Feb 21, 2012 Filing date Oct 7, 2005, Priority date Jun 30, 2005 (1)
U.S. Patent No. 7,996,864 Publication date Aug 9, 2011 Filing date Nov 7, 2003, Priority date Aug 31, 1994
U.S. Patent No. 7,895,218 Publication date Feb 22, 2011 Filing date May 24, 2005, Priority date Nov 9, 2004 (1)
U.S. Patent No. 6,725,281 Publication date Apr 20, 2004 Filing date Nov 2, 1999, Priority date Jun 11, 1999
(1) This one not be allow I’m petty sure both MythTV and SageTV all ready had this before then.
Heck I do believe that VCR had tech long like this long before TiVo so petty much just about all that should have been thrown out any way.
Beside Rovi never really work on nor own the patent at first they where done by other after it start back in 50’s so my book they are just run of mill patent toll just try to make a fast buck and this has gone from paper printing to computer display TV guide just now direct on screen interactive to simplified things.
Heck even TiVo can’t even get there own EPG right not even on there own TiVo product.
Not that I believe there is a true legal risk in offering a proper program guide/grid. But if there is a requiring to license that view. Let me pay for it through plex.
The “Guide” is unusable. As in, I am not using Plex as my live media server at all because of it. I can’t even see what channel a show is on. It’s horrible. It’s horrendous. It needs to change.
Supporting DVR and streaming live tv isn’t what makes any of these solutions viable. The UX must be there and w/o a grid programming guide This one is just as bad as all of the rest.
I like the guide once I got used to it. it is content based instead of provider based. I don’t argue I would like to see some refinements and ways to see a few things a little easier but I cant say I have struggled to find what I want. I am just not as tied to seeing things in a excel spreadsheet format.
@BRBMan said:
I like the guide once I got used to it. it is content based instead of provider based. I don’t argue I would like to see some refinements and ways to see a few things a little easier but I cant say I have struggled to find what I want. I am just not as tied to seeing things in a excel spreadsheet format.
I think the problem is that’s what most are used to who look for things to watch.
If my kid wants to watch TV I want to toss it on Disney Junior. I don’t know what content is on at the moment. Now, I have to scroll until I see what is likely a Disney Junior show (It doesn’t show the channel # or name in the card).
Live TV isn’t about searching for content, usually. It’s about browsing to a channel. It’s completely different than watching a library of content.
so live tv isn’t about whats on, its about the channel? I’m interested in what im watching not who has it on. As i stated i do understand the need - However “MY FAMILY” has adapted quite well and actually prefers this now after use.
Live TV is usually about channel surfing, finding something to watch so you go to your “go to” channels. That’s different for me, my wife and kids. If I could limit the “what’s on” to just the channels I watch, I’d be golden. But that’s not practical.
It’s not necessarily about who I’m watching. It’s about knowing that there are primary channels that usually have content I want. I honestly could care less which channel it’s on, once I’m on it. But, If I’m going after any direct content, I’m in my recorded TV or library.
I guess the old stand by argument is pretty simple. There is no other live tv based viewing UX that doesn’t include a grid or a by channel viewer. If the “here’s the shows that are on right now” in a card/poster based tiles were a good UX you’d see it everywhere.
@BRBMan said:
so live tv isn’t about whats on, its about the channel? I’m interested in what im watching not who has it on. As i stated i do understand the need - However “MY FAMILY” has adapted quite well and actually prefers this now after use.
I haven’t watch any Live TV Show/Movie in at lease 10+ years unless we get a major weather alerts warnings here in oklahoma, other then that 99.8% of time it all per recording TV show and Movie.
Here in my house we set it and forget it we usually watch them the next day or when have time for it.
I do like some of the thing that it has like the upcoming and new episodes tonight and starting soon and what not.
Yea I think the average current Plex user lives that way. They don’t watch Live TV.
The real question for Plex and growth is how to bring in a broader user base. For me, that includes my family (immediate and extended). Limiting them only to a list of “what’s on now” poster tiles will never bring them into the fold.
Bottom line. The grid system is the go to for the majority of the world. There is no real reason (besides development investment) to not have both options.
@mrhumpty said:
Yea I think the average current Plex user lives that way. They don’t watch Live TV.The real question for Plex and growth is how to bring in a broader user base. For me, that includes my family (immediate and extended). Limiting them only to a list of “what’s on now” poster tiles will never bring them into the fold.
Bottom line. The grid system is the go to for the majority of the world. There is no real reason (besides development investment) to not have both options.
I agree
So did new ver 1.8 final get a regular grid guide?
