Like I said, prove to me you get more joy from HD video… it’s the same argument.
You’re deflecting again. Let’s make a deal. I’ll conduct any test you want me to conduct, just as soon as you provide us with the documentation of a double-blind test that proves that you can hear a difference between mp3 and flac.
And why do I have to prove anything to you? What makes you so desperate for proof of my ability to distinguish sounds? Only trolls need that… is it hostile… no, you came to this post for some reason… like I’m taking things from you because it was a requested feature. Like I said, I hear the difference. It’s like asking you to prove to me that you enjoy HD over SD. You can’t prove it… nor do I even care for you too. I don’t care what you enjoy… but don’t come around and try to think your opinion about audio and its range of frequencies is any less important because you don’t care about it.
More deflection. Listen, you don’t have to prove anything, but failing to do so means you lack credibility. Now normally that wouldn’t matter, but in this situation you are asking another person to spend their time and money on you. It would go a long way if you could provide a substantial reason for them to do so. I “came here” the same as you did, but the difference between us is that I didn’t single you out and call you names. I’ve already said that I will conduct any test that you want me to (despite the fact that I never made any claims about video quality - that was you trying to change the subject), the only condition is that you prove your claim first. Since you adamantly refuse to even try to prove anything, it is logical to conclude that your claim is false and that you’re know it on some level. Therefore there is no reason for Plex to make this feature, nor is there any reason for me to conduct a video quality test. Seeing as how you have a hostile attitude and do nothing but run around in circles, it is clear that any further attempts at having a real conversation with you is pointless. You can go ahead and have the last word.
Lol. By the way Sony (whom makes my phone) have a whole HD Audio strategy covering all their devices for several years now. Most people are impressed when they have a listen to what a measley little phone can do. The truth to your comments however depends. I have copies of some files where I can’t hear the difference between their mp3 counterpart and the hd audio equivalent. I guess the dynamics of some tracks, or the master source or something is limited. I have other tracks where non audiophiles come over for a listen and say, ‘OMG’ I had no idea what I was missing. The difference is astounding!
Either way, a huge number of people globally believe in it and this is a page where we can request that feature. It shouldn’t be a place to go and tell a bunch of people that their idea or beliefs are wrong, that is not what these request forums nor this community is for and doing so is particularly bad form. Had a bad day? I forgive you, however please refrain from littering this request page with irrelivant comments about YOUR beliefs. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
I should add, now that you have commented once, you will be spammed by Plex about how much we like HD audio, each and every time there is a comment added. I suspect that will be annoying for you. However, Plex don’t seem to know how to add an opt-out feature. I apologise about that, but there is nothing I can do about it. I’d suggest you apply some of the vigour you’ve shown here and add to that feature request to fix that problem, as that would be quite useful.
Thanks.
@marshalleq said:
Most people are impressed when they have a listen to what a measley little phone can do.
That’ll be the hardware of the phone, not the bitdepth or samplerate of the audio file.
I have copies of some files where I can’t hear the difference between their mp3 counterpart and the hd audio equivalent. I guess the dynamics of some tracks, or the master source or something is limited.
Your inability to distinguish between the mp3 and the flac is not due to the mix or the master of the music, it is due to the fact that the mp3 conversion process uses an excellent algorithm that smartly removes data that the human ear does not register. It is only when the mp3 is converted using a low bitrate that you hear a difference. Back in the 90s, mp3s were converted using very low bitrates (since everyone was stuck on dial up, downloading was extremely slow), and that created the impression that mp3 was low quality. Unfortunatley, that bad impression still lingers today. The V0 quality level of the mp3 is universally sufficient for the human ear. Going beyond this will not yield any perceptible differences. And if it does, one could prove it with a double-blind test.
I have other tracks where non audiophiles come over for a listen and say, ‘OMG’ I had no idea what I was missing. The difference is astounding!
Compared to what? This is where things get tricky. Once you sit down and do a double-blind test, you’ll discover that any amazing difference you heard was likely not from the audio files themselves, but from how you were listening to them. The only time you will hear a big difference between from the audio files themselves is when you compare different masters. For example, the original CD pressing of Black Sabbath’s early albums were sourced from the original analog masters that they used for the original vinyls. Since then, the albums have been remastered, and the biggest change they made was to turn up the master volume level. In a side-by-side comparison, people prefer louder to softer. The music industry noticed this, and now almost every album is mastered as loud as possible, despite that it actually degrades the music. This is called the Loudness War. If you listen to a Black Sabbath album that was pressed in the 80s, and then listen to a remaster, and you don’t touch the volume knob on your sound system, you will notice a huge difference. Now if you rip one of those CDs to a perfect flac, and then convert that flac to mp3 V0, and then do a double-blind test, there is virtually no probability that you will distinguish between the two.
It shouldn’t be a place to go and tell a bunch of people that their idea or beliefs are wrong, that is not what these request forums nor this community is for and doing so is particularly bad form.
Telling the truth is never bad form. There is a whole market of snake oil products that prey on self-proclaimed audiophiles who swear they hear a difference where there is none. It would be bad form for Plex to become one of those products. If you can actually hear a difference between mp3 V0 and a 24/96 flac from the same source, then you could prove it with double-blind testing, and there would be a whole scientific community who would be very impressed.
@marshalleq said:
I should add, now that you have commented once, you will be spammed by Plex about how much we like HD audio, each and every time there is a comment added. I suspect that will be annoying for you. However, Plex don’t seem to know how to add an opt-out feature. I apologise about that, but there is nothing I can do about it. I’d suggest you apply some of the vigour you’ve shown here and add to that feature request to fix that problem, as that would be quite useful.Thanks.
You can simply untick the little star symbol next the the thread title, either on this page or your bookmarks page.
+1 been asking for this for years. Developers just aren’t as in to music it sadly seems.
I may just move to Roon - possibly with Tidal (currently on trial version). Check out the screenshot below. Also, the Audio path of these guys is amazing it seems to integrate in HD Audio with everything even my old squeezebox system which supports 24 bit, and works with Raspberry Pi. It’s not particularly cheap, but the more I use it, the more I love it. These guys just have it sorted where it counts - seriously good audio path and metadata the delivers value to music lovers. The second screenshot is what happens when you click on the purple icon by the song you’re playing - it shows if your audio source is low quality and if your hardware or software can deliver the full bit depth of the song. This particular track in the playlist is from Roon’s integration into Tidal, so only 44.1 / 16 bit. But boy is that a difference, I can’t believe how much better it is than Spotify - I’m 41 now and this reminds me of when I was a teenager and the quality of music was CD. It is literally CD quality music, streaming and it is literally an insane difference, I don’t know what they’ve done to make it sound like this - the sound is something else. And yeah, I do love my Raspberry Pi / Hifiberry Dac + Pro combo. Highly recommended.
The evil side of me is having small chuckles that the guy here before can’t unsubscribe from my gloating about sound quality he hasn’t had the good fortune to experience yet. Interesting he thinks he can unsubscribe from it, even Plex staff have said that’s a feature they haven’t implemented yet. Anyway, rock on!
A better picture of the audio path, that last one was a bit small
Two more screenshots, one of the albums that shows the quality in album view (the duplicate album will be removed and it will only play the higher quality one once the scanning is finished). Also the audio path for a 24 bit file within Roon.
What is truly amazing is Roon’s ‘Radio’ mode. It seems to pick the tracks out of your album that match the song I just chose perfectly. Quite impressive. This is the sort of thing Plex is ripe to bring into the fold, sadly I think it’s not going to happen for Plex. But I guess Audio is just an add on for them. Accepting the recent release quality issues, Plex is a damn good Media player for Video. If it only did that then that’s good enough. I wish one of the Devs would just give us an official response that said, ‘Nope we’re never going to do that, yes you should invest in Roon’. Then we could have a line in the sand and move on. This request would just die a natural death as there would be no point. To be fair, probably they should just focus on what they’re good at. However, I still say (as others have) a copy sort of functionality would be a brilliant middle road.
@marshalleq said:
The evil side of me is having small chuckles that the guy here before can’t unsubscribe from my gloating about sound quality he hasn’t had the good fortune to experience yet. Interesting he thinks he can unsubscribe from it, even Plex staff have said that’s a feature they haven’t implemented yet. Anyway, rock on!
Again, all you have to do is untick the star. And I’ve listened to plenty of 24/96 music.
I guess you’re just lucky. There are dozens of us that want to unsubscribe from the PlexPy thread and can’t. The star is already unticked and I still get messages and so does everybody else. Only three weeks ago Plex emailed me and apologised that there was not yet a feature to do this and it was something they were looking into. I guess you have super powers. Go you!
Have you checked your notification preferences? Make sure to untick “Notify me when people comment on discussions I’ve participated in.”. Then look at your bookmarks and see if you have “General (Third-Party Development)” as a bookmark (if you do, untick it). Also, on the forum home page, scroll down to the “Third-Party Developers” section, click on the gear icon beside “General (Third-Party Development)”, and then click “mute” (do this as a last resort).
+1 this been waiting for this feature for a while, how do i add a vote?
its actually recently been added. to at least the android app. though I have an issue with it, it stops playing the seconds a few seconds to the end. with no reason for it. it says playing but it never finishes or goes to the next song
Wow, I had no idea this was implemented! I can see there is now an item marked ‘original’ on android under the sync audio quality in music. Will certainly test this out! Not to detract from this awesomeness at all, it would be nice if the original setting had the actual quality it was syncing to get an idea how much space would be used up. Anyway, go Plex! Very happy!
Haha I wish I remembered to chime in. It’s been on there for what about 2 weeks now. I was happy. Its nice being able to sync albums before work at 150mbs at home and not have to worry about anything .
If you have that weird bug, that stops at the end of the song and doesn’t do anything. Please comment to know its not just me! haha I try to test it and can’t. The one song it stops on, I play again, and it plays through. So its pretty random.
