@jrcorwin said:
@“scottchristian.tas” said:
Had nothing but trouble with the plex app for months now, so super keen to see Infuse replacement.
I’ll instantly purchase as soon as it’s available.How is your media stored now? You can still connect to your server via DNLA with Infuse for the time being.
It’s all running from a VPS out on the internet, would need to setup a VPN to get dlna to work 
tried MrMC and that works fine, but if god awful to use.
@mrmctv said:
Well, according to our user numbers, there are a lot that do like the new UX.
Heh. Let’s see if they’ll stick around when Infuse with native tvOS UI start supporting PMS 
I can think of an related media center that had a lot of users once.
New skin is simple & nice but mrmctv remains second-class citizen on tvOS.
@mrmctv said:
better ? → Dropbox - File Deleted - Simplify your life
D, is that a sincere question? We obviously still have a different opinion about UI and UX, but I still believe future will prove me right.
@jrcorwin said:
Depends on what it looks like within a category (such as Movies). We need view modes that have a polished/adult/mature/clean look to them. Colored icons (audio codec and such) like the ones that are available in Kodi would
Screenshot has Tgx fingers all over it. He’s a skilled skinner with a great taste (started skinning with Amber fork 
) so he can surely make any UI you like.
That being said, I still think most people will switch to Infuse when PMS support is ready or return to Plex client if/when PMS issues are sorted out. Hardcore XBMC/Kodi users will stick to familiar fanart-ish UI for a while before eventually giving up.
very pretty 
@mrmctv Yeah I’m sorry but the only reason I don’t use MrMC is because the UI isn’t good. If you got a UX designer and cleaned it up I would gladly switch and even pay a monthly fee.
@jrcorwin The first screenshot would be better if the metadata icons in the bottom right were monochrome, the colors make them look goofy. I’m not a fan of the main menu at all, looks like a Kodi skin that I’m not fond of.
@jrcorwin said:
You do release that with this change…you would still be managing your library with your Plex server, right? This merely allows Infuse to operate as a Plex client. It’s the marriage of the best of both worlds: Plex Media Server + Infuse. You’ll get the library management and server features of Plex, with the superior video player support of Infuse.
No, but I hope you “release” that It will use metadata from Plex but will not have things like On Deck, Universal Search, Playlist Shuffling, Related Movies, Trailers, Curation, RottenTomatoes Ratings, and lots more. It doesn’t even have a home page, it just lets you drill down menus between Movies and TV Shows. Try actually using Infuse before making these claims - its library features are new and very underdeveloped. This is not simply Plex with a new video player.
Another feature I like from infuse is the subtitle download option.
@jrcorwin said:
I use Infuse daily and have been beta testing their apps for well over a year. You listed features I do not even use with Plex. I want access to my well-managed and very large library, combined with a capable video player. I wish Plex put as much effort into their ATV client, but they just don’t.Plex is the best option if you want to easily manage your content and have access to it from anywhere. Kodi is the best option from a pure A/V home theater perspective, with the incredible array of options for visual presentation and the powerful capabilities in terms of file playback. For me, the perfect marriage would consist of a Plex backend and a Kodi frontend with a dedicated ATV app. I can get pretty close by using Kodi and connecting it to my PMS. I may end up using my dev account to sideload Kodi. I used to run a dedicated HTPC, but decided I wanted to simplify things by using one content device per TV…an Apple TV. One device with access to absolutely everything (live TV, streaming apps, my library). The only compromise was having to switch from Kodi to Plex. What you see in those screenshots is far more visually appealing than anything from their competitors
You’re certainly free to use Kodi on Apple TV if that’s your prerogative, even if you don’t have a developer account there are places to get it signed for $10 or so. Plex makes their own clients partially because a lot of people don’t like Kodi. If you think Kodi is the pinnacle of design I don’t see why you wouldn’t just use that instead of Infuse
And some of us just want a reliable client to watch the video and not have to jump through hoops to make that happen. I personally don’t care about the eye-candy.
@jrcorwin said:
@x64Man said:
And some of us just want a reliable client to watch the video and not have to jump through hoops to make that happen. I personally don’t care about the eye-candy.I could do without the eye-candy if it would just work. So if I have to settle for a solution with Infuse working as a Plex client, that is fine.
Well, it eats everything that I have fed it, with no issues, so for me it will it will be golden.
@jrcorwin said:
@x64Man said:
@jrcorwin said:
@x64Man said:
And some of us just want a reliable client to watch the video and not have to jump through hoops to make that happen. I personally don’t care about the eye-candy.I could do without the eye-candy if it would just work. So if I have to settle for a solution with Infuse working as a Plex client, that is fine.
Well, it eats everything that I have fed it, with no issues, so for me it will it will be golden.Plex or Infuse?
Infuse.
@jrcorwin said:
Same here. I sideloaded Kodi earlier today though and it’s amazing. The only feature I’m missing at the moment is the rate/format auto-switching.
Good luck when tvOS decides to purge away your Kodi addons and skins leaving you with a broken Kodi. It will happen, only a matter of when. The persistent storage for Apps is only 500K and that is the sole reason why MrMC does not allow user installed skins. While others think we can’t get MrMC with python into the App store, they are wrong. We can but decided that the persistent storage issue would be such a bad side effect.
Which skin did you add ?
Purgeable storage gets purged when tvOS decides to purge it. There are two places, one is retained when the app is running. The other can be purged at any time regardless of who is using it. An open file handle can prevent an item from being purged. Even then, if tvOS wants the space, it will terminate the App without warning.
While the ‘docs’ say it only purges when tvOS is low on space, how low is not defined. Do you really think we don’t read the docs and do independent testing ? Real world tests and user reports indicate that sometimes when low on space, sometimes for unknown reasons. We have done extensive testing regarding two purgeable storage locations. The only safe place is the area reserved during app running. Even that can be targeted when an app is suspended. TVOS can and will force terminate backgrounded apps to reclaim that storage. TVOS can be rather aggressive sometimes
Generally, if the App is not a pig, tvOS will leave you alone. But Kodi can be a pig and even Infuse gets hit by the mysterious need for tvOS to purge. Even when plenty of space is available on the AppleTV4/4K. In other words, your mileage will vary.
Now back to the original question, what skin did you add or should that remain a mystery ?
Interesting, give you real facts about how the AppleTV purge works and you get defensive and start attacking our UI again. As if that somehow justifies your side-loading of Kodi. Strange…
The real truth is we have much thicker skin and can easily handle such comments about our UI (which is one of many skins we have and more are coming). Such is the nature of the internet and forums. I find it amusing that you think that just because you do not like something, everyone else has the exact same option.
And BTW, Our Opacity skin was designed by a very competent skin developer. We picked it for its simplicity not for its eye candy.
Facts are, eye candy aside, MrMC is a better video content player than Infuse. We spin up video content much faster than they do, handle more formats and offer more options like playing music and pictures. Even something trivial things like user adjustable a/v sync is missing from Infuse. They are still trying to get HDR right and just forget about Dolby Vision for now. Excuse us that we prefer to concentrate on the best playback around rather than eye candy. After all, the number one use-case of a video media player is to play video content.
Hate to tell you but Infuse is in for a large refactor to accommodate a plex client and they know it. I’m pretty sure that when it shows up (sometime in 2018) it will not meet your expectations either. then you can complain about Infuse/Plex too. That seems to be your major function on forums, complain about things that you don’t have the skill level to fix yourself.
@mrmctv said:
Interesting, give you real facts about how the AppleTV purge works and you get defensive and start attacking our UI again. As if that somehow justifies your side-loading of Kodi. Strange…The real truth is we have much thicker skin and can easily handle such comments about our UI (which is one of many skins we have and more are coming). Such is the nature of the internet and forums. I find it amusing that you think that just because you do not like something, everyone else has the exact same option.
And BTW, Our Opacity skin was designed by a very competent skin developer. We picked it for its simplicity not for its eye candy.
Facts are, eye candy aside, MrMC is a better video content player than Infuse. We spin up video content much faster than they do, handle more formats and offer more options like playing music and pictures. Even something trivial things like user adjustable a/v sync is missing from Infuse. They are still trying to get HDR right and just forget about Dolby Vision for now. Excuse us that we prefer to concentrate on the best playback around rather than eye candy. After all, the number one use-case of a video media player is to play video content.
Hate to tell you but Infuse is in for a large refactor to accommodate a plex client and they know it. I’m pretty sure that when it shows up (sometime in 2018) it will not meet your expectations either. then you can complain about Infuse/Plex too. That seems to be your major function on forums, complain about things that you don’t have the skill level to fix yourself.
I say this as a constructive suggestion. Don’t worry too much about the skins. Worry about the way the remote works completely differently then every other Apple TV app. Worry about never letting a user see network paths and arcane file names when browsing their media. If I ever see a \ : or share name when browsing my media it is a fail. Don’t show folders as folders and Up or Back arrows. Stop trying to just make it a pretty file browser. Plex and Infuse and Emby all do this very well. Stop thinking like a programmer. Stop thinking of media as a folder and file structure. Abstract that from the UI.
When lot of folks say the UI is ugly what they often really mean is the UX is cumbersome. Learn the difference. The prettiest of UIs cannot cover for bad UX and flow. Just ask Hulu after reading their feedback boards. You may indeed have the best player but if it’s too annoying to get your library setup and navigate and use the included remote no one is going to know that.
@JMGNYC said:
Don’t worry too much about the skins. Worry about the way the remote works completely differently then every other Apple TV app. Worry about never letting a user see network paths and arcane file names when browsing their media. If I ever see a \ : or share name when browsing my media it is a fail. Don’t show folders as folders and Up or Back arrows. Stop trying to just make it a pretty file browser. Plex and Infuse and Emby all do this very well. Stop thinking like a programmer.
When lot of folks say the UI is ugly what they often really mean is the UX is cumbersome. Learn the difference. The prettiest of UIs cannot cover for bad UX and flow. Just ask Hulu after reading their feedback boards. You may indeed have the best player but if it’s too annoying to get your library setup and navigate and use the included remote no one is going to know that.
SO TRUE!
And HDR doesn’t work for me, my TV doesn’t switch automatically to HDR like Plex native and Infuse do…
SO TRUE!!!
@mrmctv:
HDR is not working out of the box on my TV, no automatic switching with MrMC but Plex and Infuse can do it!
@JMGNYC said:
@mrmctv said:
I say this as a constructive suggestion. Don’t worry too much about the skins. Worry about the way the remote works completely differently then every other Apple TV app. Worry about never letting a user see network paths and arcane file names when browsing their media. If I ever see a \ : or share name when browsing my media it is a fail. Don’t show folders as folders and Up or Back arrows. Stop trying to just make it a pretty file browser. Plex and Infuse and Emby all do this very well. Stop thinking like a programmer.
When lot of folks say the UI is ugly what they often really mean is the UX is cumbersome. Learn the difference. The prettiest of UIs cannot cover for bad UX and flow. Just ask Hulu after reading their feedback boards. You may indeed have the best player but if it’s too annoying to get your library setup and navigate and use the included remote no one is going to know that.
@mrmctv @JMGNYC
I’d have to agree with a LOT of @JMGNYC comments. I’ve used MrMc for a year and eventually went back to Plex despite MrMC’s far superior playback. The reasons are as above but I’ll summarise below:
-UI is not only unattractive but UX is cumbersome. It feels more like you’re navigating File Explorer on your TV than genuinely using a TV OS system. Up and Back arrows and Folders are the dead give away to that. Media should be CONSUMED not having to remember which folder you’ve got it in and navigating up and down folder trees…It should have rich FILTERS NOT FOLDERS! This is a TV app destined for use by families, yet the UX is more targeted to Linux nerds who identify folder structures etc
-The remote REALLY doesn’t work very well in MrMC. Compared to the fluid functioning of it in tvOS and many of its Apps, in MrMC it stutters, you have to do repetitive motions to move forward and if do turn on the “emulation” of real tvOS behaviour the remote goes too fast and jumps all over. Its VERY frustrating to use especially when it works so well in other apps.
Please take this as constructive criticism as well and hope you address them in time. I have enormous respect for the MrMc developers, they work hard and have good user support. I’m hoping you successfully make the transition to a UI/UX more suited for television and less for a computer.
