The most obvious I think will be those movies with numerals. “9” now sorts before “10”. “The 6th Day” sorts before 10.
But I have many foreign movies, and I make a point of keeping the foreign titles. Russian (or any Cyrillic) movies have their sort order field manually prepended with Я (regardless of which Cyrillic letter they start with). This creates a Я entry in the by-alphabet list on the side of the web app. That appears after Z movies.
The entry in the by-alphabet is still there. But all Russian movies now sort between numerals and As. Plex is completely ignoring the sort order field. It’s also ignoring the sane sort order even when that is unmodified (the numerals).
I don’t have nearly enough tv shows to be certain with that. But 30 Rock is sorting before 3rd Rock, so I think that’s still correct. This might only be a problem with Films.
Version is 1.13.1.5063.
Can someone confirm whether they’re seeing the same or not?
I cannot speak for the non-ASCII letters.
however… did Plex ever sort numbers differently? I always have to use 2-digit numbers (01, 02, 03…) when I have more than 9 local media assets and want to maintain the ordering. Same with the movie sort names. At the moment my sort names look like this to make sense (0013th Warrior, 0050 First Dates, 0300, 2012).
Sadly Plex is simply sorting by actual alphabetical comparison.
I do miss how this is e.g. handled on my Mac who clearly recognizes numbers and sorts them properly (8 -> 9 -> 10 -> 11 instead of 10 -> 11 -> 8 -> 9; I believe they use some sort of regular expression for those comparisons)
I can’t change the sort order of a movie titled “10” (with Dudley Moore), nor can I do that with “9” which is some CGI kids movie. It’s literally named 9, not 09.
At the moment my sort names look like this to make sense (0013th Warrior, 0050 First Dates, 0300, 2012).
Seriously? You wreck the movie names in Plex? Some people do that with filenames, but sheesh.
This is simply incorrect. It’s using the numeric order (3 comes before 10 or 10,000) and not the alphabetic sorting order (where everything with a leading 1 comes first, then everything with a leading 2, and so on).
At first this looked like maybe I just screwed up the sorting order with the widget, but this is showing up on a Samsung TV, it shows up in the web app where there can be no cookies.
Furthermore, it completely ignored the sort order field.
@BrigoNortensson said:
The most obvious I think will be those movies with numerals. “9” now sorts before “10”. “The 6th Day” sorts before 10.
This is intended. It is called ‘natural sort’, because the number 10 is bigger than the number 9.
Almost every person will sort 10 after 9.
Only a computer-experienced person may consider it normal that ‘1911’ comes before ‘2’, as Plex did it in the past.
When someone is looking for a title that starts with A, they want to go to the movies that start with A.
When someone is looking for a title that starts with 1, they want to go to the movies that start with 1.
Now some movies that start with 1 are at the very top, and some that start with 1 are farther down after the other numbers. Plex is not a spreadsheet, this sort order is stupid and useless.
Furthermore, now it’s broken and ignoring the sort order field. It shows all the Japanese/Chinese characters at the bottom of the list, but sorts the movies up towards the top. You click on a Kanji character, it takes you down to Z movies. But those movies sort in between the numerals and A.
This is broken even ignoring the design decisions of the development team. They need to fix it.
Why don’t you guys just sort the numbers as if they were spelled out? I’m sure if I were a computer it would confuse me, but since I’m human it makes it pretty simple to find what I’m looking for.
Numbers may be in between punctuation and the alphabet, but the numbers themselves are out of order.
It’s using the “quantity” ordering, which might be useful for spreadsheets but makes no sense otherwise. 3:10 to Yuma should not come before 12 Angry Men. 1 should clearly sort before 3. The 6th Day should clearly sort after 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
It makes me wonder if Plex even tests this stuff with libraries larger than a few dozen movies. 2001 sorts near the last, despite many movies starting with a 9.
Punctuation movies should have the punctuation stripped automatically for the sort field. No one looks up “The 'Burbs” by saying to themselves “Hey, I’ll check in the apostrophes section of the alphabetization!”.
How long do I have to wait for them to fix this? No one bothered to think this through.
