MKV Ordered Chapters Support

Adding my voice to the few that have posted here in the past couple of months, are there any plans to implement ordered chapters?  It seems like it has been over 2 years ago when it was stated it would be in a future release.  Is there anything more concrete than that now?

MKV Chapter support please!

MKV Chapter support please!

Can you explain to me what you mean by that. Because PHT already supports chapters inside MKV files, and has since the start of PHT. What am I not understanding?

Atrus, MKV has support for concatenation multiple MKVs so during playback it looks like one longer file.

The most common usage is currently in Anime to chop out the OP and ED sequences for every episode so you only include one copy as a separate file that is inserted at playback into the episode, instead of leaving the OP/ED in the episode.

With 10bit h264 1080p episodes coming out, batch files are getting huge for a single series. It also allows for chapters like you have in DVD playback to skip between the op.

Here’s some info on it I just goggled for

http://mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=8

Atrus, MKV has support for concatenation multiple MKVs so during playback it looks like one longer file.

The most common usage is currently in Anime to chop out the OP and ED sequences for every episode so you only include one copy as a separate file that is inserted at playback into the episode, instead of leaving the OP/ED in the episode.

With 10bit h264 1080p episodes coming out, batch files are getting huge for a single series. It also allows for chapters like you have in DVD playback to skip between the op.

Here's some info on it I just goggled for

http://mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=8

So you are not talking about the Chapter support that I assumed you guys have been talking about for years. And I assume the developers also believed that you were talking about something else.

For me, chapter support was about enabling you guys to jump to the next chapter inside a MKV file. And that is supported nowadays.

For me, chapter support was about enabling you guys to jump to the next chapter inside a MKV file. And that is supported nowadays.

Not for All Clients tho :(

Not for All Clients tho  :(

No, was just taking about PHT.

Atrus: yup chapter jumping is not what we’re talking about but segmented mkvs.

Plex for win 8 doesn’t support chapter jump either which makes me sad.

I just realized about half of my anime in my catalog for plex I would have to go fix by hand....

I don't want to do that..

And there is no easy way to really fix it without looking for a different most likely worse encode by a different fansub..  And yes I tried mkvmerge and it only works sometimes.. and even if it did work it would be a lot of time spent.

Oh and lenaxia I am not stalking your post.. I googled "plex ordered chapters" and this popped up.

no worries randomacts, I always welcome admirers :wink:

truth be told, not having ordered chapters isn’t a huge loss for me because I add the OP/ED as specials anyway.

It just ... wouldn't feel natural if the OP/ED were not in the anime and instead you go to the specials folder to watch them.

You quickly would get spoiled by the next times as well suddenly popping up without a warning like the ED normally is.

... at first i thought this shouldn't be an issue as FFMPEG should be finding the related files in the same directory as the episode.

Then i realized that FFMPEG is invoked over URL and can't see the related files. Plex would have to change the invocation on MKVs to get FFMPEG to properly handle things.

Perhaps a separate section for Anime might work.. as Anime might have to be treated differently. Much like TV shows and movies are treated differently.

Perhaps this suggestion could help? .. I have no idea exactly what he is talking about in the code but it doesn't look that complex.

Actually .. that suggestion most likely would just fix the subtitle issue.. it really does need to be fixed tho... :/

just btw.. this still is an issue... I am having to search harder for a show right now because plex doesn't support ordered chapters...

+1 for chapters, 

Chapters would be a good feature

+1 for ordered chapters, although I fear only anime watchers would really benefit.

+1 for ordered chapters

What are "ordered" chapters as opposed to "regular" chapters? 

I didn't realize that the "Home Theater" client supports MKV chapters.  However, everything I'm reading says it requires a "dedicated computer."  Do I really need another computer (in addition to my Synology NAS) just to use PHT on a TV (or else resign myself to using my TV stand as a "desk", lol)?

I personally think ordered chapters to begin with is a stupid idea, so keep that in mind when reading my response. And I know there are people here who think this is a good idea. Such is life. If anyone finds anything wrong in my explanation to bjoy82, please let me know and I will amend this post:

So back in the days someone say down and tried to figure out the best way to get the file size down for their encodes. "Aha!! Why do we not cut out the opening song and ending credit from every episode? That will surely save us 20-50 MB per episode!". So they did, and now they have a small dataset for every episode which tells the player when it should play the opening song/ending from a separate file. I know I know, that was not clear. Lets do this, this could be the content of a season folder:

Opening Song.mkv
Episode 1.mkv
Episode 2.mkv
Episode 3.mkv
Episode 4.mkv
Ending credit.mkv

When you start Episode 1 it will play until it hits a ordered chapter marker which tells the player that it should open another video file. In this case the Opening Song.mkv. And that after that has been played it should start Episode 1.mkv again but this time a millisecond after the first marker.

It utilises something called "MKV segment linking" to be able to do this. Basically... it is a mini-playlist for a show. Meta-playlist one can call it :)