Server Version#: 1.16.3.1402
Player Version#:3.108.2
I think my player was recently upgraded, and today I just noticed that I can’t edit my track moods. Below shows my newly limited options with editing track metadata. There used to be a left menu item for Tags which is now gone. Does anyone else have this problem?
I can confirm this behavior.
You can still edit the mood settings using the Plex Web client installed on your server (use https://[your-PMS-IP-address]:32400/web instead of https://app.plex.tv/desktop).
online Plex Web: 3.108.2
local Plex Web (w/ PMS 1.16.3.1402): 3.104.2
Hooray! Thanks so much @tom80H , using it on my server client did the trick.
Mood editing is moving from tracks to artists and albums in an upcoming change. The ability to edit mood on a track was removed prematurely, so for now you will have to use the bundled app.
I’m not sure how that can be a good thing. An album by a single artist can have tracks that are totally different styles and “moods.” Not to mention compilation albums - 12 artists and several genres / styles of music. Lumping all of those individual tracks into a single “mood” or multiple “moods” just doesn’t make sense.
I apologize for sounding a bit pessimistic, and I hope I am proved 100% wrong if (and when) this upcoming change ever happens.
This is very disturbing, as there are commonly albums of songs with very different moods (which @leelynds beat me to the punch on mentioning). Are you saying that at some point we won’t be able to edit the moods at all? I’d be fine if there’s a back-door way to do this.
Incidentally, is there any development toward being able to share playlists? The only reason I’m editing moods is to create a substitute for sharing playlists–since moods can be shared.
As I said, I’m not sure about this lumping of moods into Albums and Artists.
I have 2 Elvis Costello albums, totally different style/genre of music, and I’ve added the “moods” that have been automatically added to the tracks. I’ve never edited a mood.
Elvis Costello - Armed Forces - Genre: Rock/Rock & Roll
Moods from 12 tracks:
Energetic Melancholy, Soulful, Easygoing, Carefree Pop, Exuberant, Festive, Evocative, Intriguing, Confident, Tough, Loud Celebratory, Ramshackle, Rollicking, Energetic Dreamy
Elvis Costello - Almost Blue - Genre: Country/Country Rock
Moods from 12 tracks:
Happy Excitement, Dramatic Emotion, Strong, Stable, Soft Soulful, Lusty, Jaunty, Light Groovy, Carefree Pop, Sweet. Sincere, Dark Urgent, Happy, Soulful
So now we’re suggesting all of Elvis Costello’s songs are all of those moods, and the individual albums are only a sub-set of those moods?
Hoping it works as well as before.
Yup! The pop music industry has well established the norm of mixing moods within an album. This is across genres: E.g., for 80s music, Heart’s “Heart”: If Looks Could Kill vs These Dreams, Whitney Houston’s “Whitney”: I Wanna Dance with Somebody vs Didn’t We Almost Have It All, Billy Idol’s “Rebel Yell”: Rebel Yell vs Eyes without a Face.
I just discovered this change, and I can no longer change moods on individual tracks. I use this feature to create smart playlists…but now it is broken by this change. I hope they make some sort of functionality to edit single track again…
Yeah, I use this fields as a way to tag certain songs to create and maintain smart playlists… Noticed today that this feature is gone now. Thanks a lot! -_-
I am also lodging a complaint here. I have created several smart playlists based on mood. Different tracks on the same album can span several different moods, or genres or collections (those are also gone).
Please reconsider the removal of this functionality. It makes the software less useful for those of us with large libraries.
Please please no.
Please stop removing metadata from TRACKS and putting them only in artists or albums.
From the history of digital music, tags have been TRACK specific.
This means GENRE, RATING, MOOD and many others must remain available at the TRACK LEVEL.
I have no problem having these metadata available the artist and album level, in fact they all compliment each other.
I may love Pink Floyd, but not care much about the album Piper at the Gates of Dawn, and still like Interstellar Overdrive.
All of which have different ratings, moods, and genres.
if you want to see how a real music library is designed, please see mediamonkey.
FWIW - removing mood tagging is a BIG deal for me.
I downgraded Plex server (on Windows) to 1.16.3.1402. That allowed me to edit moods on tracks again through the web UI. There are at least two versions after this one. I tested both, and neither supported editing mood tag on a track.
I usually use the new Plex app on the Mac to listen to music while I work. The Plex app does not support mood tag editing even with the older version of Plex server. I reinstalled Plex Media Player 2.42 and was able to edit track mood again.
I’ll be sticking to these versions until there is a suitable alternative to track tagging that allows me to create smart playlists. Hopefully that alternative remains on the Plex platform.
The lack of metadata at the track level is the #1 reason why I am not using plex server for my music streaming. In itunes I rely on this functionality heavily for smart playlists. I don’t understand why this level of granularity is not available.
music is and always has been a second class citizen in the plex world.
between missing tags, not being able to re-read tags, not being able to WRITE tags, not being able to EDIT PLAYLISTS, its an extremely poor music library and management system.
music playback is not necessarily bad, but its no foobar or mediamonkey either, and the only great thing about it is being able to easily play on mobile from a remote server.
I will remain on v1.16.3.1433 until some method of saving tags (aka moods) to tracks for use in smart playlists is added back.
I have thousands of tracks tagged ‘Instrumental’ and I have smart playlists using this tag. This useful feature is removed in the current version.
The new 1.18.0 beta contains the new music upgrade which has much more extensive tagging support, including Moods. This should be going to a public release within the next few weeks.
Unfortunately, even with Server version 1.18.0, you are still “No Longer Able to Edit Track Modes” as the title of this thread says. You can edit artist moods and album moods. I hope Plex re-thinks the move to album and artist for moods, and includes track moods. One album by an artist can have moods or styles that can’t be applied to all tracks on the album.
Not proven yet, but not sure how a Plex Mix (if and when that feature returns) will work on album/artist based moods and styles
I can confirm that Moods is not available as a track Tag in 1.18.0.1846.
That seems like chaos for all my Various Artist collections, sigh.
Are we supposed to be using some other ID3v2 tag?
I’m confused by the reasoning, if anyone can help.
While I do like the new metadata system, losing all of the information we could add, delete, and use for playlists for individual tracks is at best, a questionable decision. Various Artist albums is a prime example. Each track can be completely different in genre, style and mood, and defining a playlist to album or artist genre, etc is more than likely to create some undesired results.
As said earlier, that info should be at the track level, and the album and artist should inherit all of them from the individual tracks.
Even MusicBrainz, the new source for metadata often uses different genres for individual tracks.
