I’ve noticed that sweet fades doesn’t appear to work with TIDAL songs in a mix. If the current or next song is from TIDAL a “sweet fade” doesn’t occur, but if it’s two local songs in a row, then it works.
Is this perhaps a limitation?
Sweet Fades depend on Plex’s own track loudness analysis. Which does analyze not only the track as a whole (like Tidal does) but also how loudness is building at the beginning and fading out at the end of the track.
There is a cloud server, run by Plex which analyses Tidal content. However, it only does this for Tidal albums which were actually played by Plex users. So if you happen to be one of the first Plex users to play a certain track, loudness analysis is still missing at that stage.
If you keep playing the track from time to time, loudness analysis will be added at some point and fades will be working.
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Interesting!
Well, it appears that all of the TIDAL tracks I’ve played so far seem to have loudness analysis for them? I’m seeing the it graphically in Plexamp anyway.
It’s not a big deal either way, I just happened to notice it and was able to tell it was only for TIDAL tracks.
The other thing to check would be the Plexamp log file for the word “overlap”, e.g. overlapping stream 3047456 (0x800006eb) by 15326 ms which is in 231.1 sec
If you’re seeing this being all 0 for TIDAL music which is shuffled (not straight album play), let us know!
I checked the log file from today and I’m not seeing any reference to TIDAL tracks? Maybe?
I searched for the term “overlapping” and it shows a non-zero value, but it appears to be only before another local library track is played?
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Hmm all non-zero overlaps but also seemingly all library playbacks, best I can tell.
I just went a shuffled a TIDAL album (Skepta / Ignorance is Bliss), making sure it had loudness data, and see the following:
Apr 23, 2020 08:08:02.682 [0x0c510000] INFO - BASS: Queueing stream (1 total, 1 handles) with identifier 5ea1d98234864200426b72fb, gain -8.3 dB, overlap duration 0 ms, start offset 0 ms (paused: 0).
Apr 23, 2020 08:08:02.683 [0x0cd13000] INFO - BASS: Queueing stream (2 total, 1 handles) with identifier 5ea1d98234864200426b72fc, gain -8.6 dB, overlap duration 4319 ms, start offset 0 ms (paused: 1).
Second one has overlap (first one is playing right away, so doesn’t). So that looks right to me.
Any songs from TIDAL would have been added to my music library. Not sure if that would make a difference.
I’ll listen a little more – maybe I’m just crazy!
EDIT: According to the logs, it’s working, so I don’t know.
Ah interesting, that might make a difference, although we try to go to the source for the data; generally, if a) you’re seeing the seek prints (seek area) and b) the overlaps are non-zero in the logs, it should be working.
You may want to try it that way on your end. I’ve been doing quite a bit of music listening at work (the new Plexamp is too awesome) and I can definitely pickup on the sweet fades when they’re occurring. It’s also pretty obvious when they are not (silence at the end of a song plays completely).
Hey @elan I’m seeing the same thing. I have the Tidal albums added to the Music Library on the Plex server, then I generate the playlists from my Library. The sweet fades work between local server tracks, but server to Tidal and back doesn’t sweet fade. I know I have played these tracks before a couple of times.
Just some more feedback.
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Just bumping this to note that I have the same experience. My library is about 50/50 between local and Tidal content so the lack of sweet fades for Tidal content added to my library makes the sweet fades feature a disappointing hit and miss.
Tidal content drawn in to radios (Discovery, Artist radios) will have sweet fades if going into or from a local track or another non-library Tidal track.
Hoping a fix will be on the way for this.
Noted, we’ll have a look.
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