will this fix issue with clients not using tagged genres?
I’m sorry, but using the Plex client for Windows 8.1, I’m still seeing a Genre list that appears to be coming from Gracenotes with the latest release of PMS (0.9.12.5). This list appears in both the Album and Artists view.
I’m expecting to see my own list of Genres with the Album view, and none with the Artist view (because I’ve selected “none” for Gracenote genres).
I’d like to decide what genres my music belongs to, thank you very much.
latest pms does not fix genre issue. I suspect it is a pht issue.
any word?
There has been a bug fix when setting GN genres to ‘None’.
The genres for albums will now be the ones in your music metadata.
However: the genres for artists will be displayed by PHT instead of those for albums, thus in some cases will show the GN genres which were obtained before the ‘None’ fix.
- The PHT bug which shows the wrong genres (namely artist genres instead of album genres) is known and tracked internally.
- We are looking into getting artist genres from their albums (otherwise the artist genres list would stay empty when selecting ‘None’ for GN genres)
thanks.
Prime interest is album Genres from the tags… can live without artist 
I like the video features,. etc. Just not the change in genres.
thanks
@sandman4sure said:
- We are looking into getting artist genres from their albums (otherwise the artist genres list would stay empty when selecting ‘None’ for GN genres)
Please don’t do this. If I select “None” - then I don’t want anything from Gracenote, and I don’t want Plex second-guessing my choice. In addition, you seem to be assuming that every artist will stay in a single genre for all their albums, which seems to me to be a very shaky assumption.
There is a reason that some of us curate our own metadata, you know.
@sandman4sure said:
However: the genres for artists will be displayed by PHT instead of those for albums, thus in some cases will show the GN genres which were obtained before the ‘None’ fix.
Do I understand that when the new version of PMS is released, I should recreate my Premium library from scratch in order to remove all incorrect genre tags from Album and Artist views?
When you select ‘none’ it means don’t get GN genres. Side effect of this is that the artist genres will stay empty. I don’t think that is desirable. If I have an artist with one blues album and one pop album I want to find it selecting one of those genres in artist view, right? (Btw: those genres are from the album metadata)
About creating from scratch, I don’t think so but I will investigate.
Look, I’m sorry, but I DO think it is desirable - if I choose NONE, I don’t want GN genres, and I’ll look after my own artist genres, thank you very much. Don’t try and second guess what I want.
+1
Agree with statement
One other point: the ID3v2 genre tag is associated with an individual track, not an Album. There is no concept in the ID3v2 standard for an “album genre”. It is perfectly possible for something like a film soundtrack album to have tracks that are a mixture of genres. In addition, the ID3v2 genre tag (TCON) can have multiple values. So for a soundtrack album, I would assign “soundtrack” as a genre tag to every track, and assign additional tags describing the genre of a track (e.g. “blues”, “pop”, “classical”, “vocal”, etc.) to the individual tracks.
So when you say that you are proposing getting the Artist genres “from the album metadata”, what, precisely, do you mean?
How it works now (I assume GN is set to None, so no genres from GN will be used for album and artist):
- we get the album genre from one of the tracks it contains. So if you have a track with genres ‘soundtrack’ and ‘blues’ the album genre will be ‘soundtrack, blues’
Track genres are not stored. If you look at the genre list in album view it will look at the genres obtained as described above.
If we leave it this way, artist won’t have a single genre. We won’t fill it with GN genres and there is no tag which describes the artist genre.
“one of the tracks”? Hmm. That sounds like a bit of a gamble to me. Perhaps I should start using a “compilation” genre for some albums…
Edit: I don’t think this is going to work. Let’s say I have a classical album containing various pieces: orchestral, choral, and a piano concerto. Each track will have one of these genres assigned, plus the portmanteau “classical” genre.
If you just choose one track to derive the album genre from, then I won’t see the album displayed for the other specific genres.
I note that Emby seems to be able to keep track of all genres in an album, and won’t fall into this trap.
Here’s an example of where your approach of just choosing one track from an album to set the genre for the whole album falls down.
I have Classical albums that include Violin Concertos along with other music with different genres (e.g. Orchestral).
According to Plex, I have just three Albums in the genre “Violin Concerto”
Whereas in actual fact, my Music collection holds five albums that contain Violin Concertos; as Emby correctly shows:
I think that you really should rethink how you deal with Genres in the Music Library of Plex…
You’ll also notice that Plex isn’t displaying the correct Album Art, but that’s another bug in PMS, which I think you have on your list to fix.
I’ll have a look at the multiple genres bug soon! Maybe I can find a way to add them all to album genres.
Also, I believe that album art fix was already released. Can you try to reload those albums and see if the cover appears?
@sandman4sure said:
Also, I believe that album art fix was already released. Can you try to reload those albums and see if the cover appears?
I tried refreshing the library, but that didn’t work. It seems as though I have to edit each individual album, and pick up the poster art (which is present in the poster art screen of Plex, but which for some reason hasn’t been selected). With about 50% of my albums either showing the artist or no cover art at all, and 1,000+ albums, that’s going to get very tedious.
I think I’ll just delete the library and start again from scratch and see what happens…
Selecting the art by hand was the bug which is fixed in latest PMS release I believe, so you shouldn’t have to do that anymore.
And if you force refresh the library?
To test if it works, before deleting your library, you can make a new Premium Library with just a couple of albums and see if it works.
A "force refresh"is what I tried (clicking the “force refresh” menu item under the gear icon on the Plex Web app when displaying the album list…) - and it didn’t work (nothing changed).
Well, I’ve no idea what happened, but I was just about to delete the library, when Plex started updating the library by itself, and now the album art is OK…
