Play music while showing my photos using Roku

I’m not able to try the Plex Experience Preview, as I don’t have Android and IOS testflight is full. However, I’m concerned about the rationale in dividing functions into separate apps. One of the most important capabilities I use in Plex (on Roku) is to play my music as background to a photo slideshow. Please do not take away this use case.

I’ve been waiting patiently for literally years that plex would show heic photos, and properly rotate short videos according to their EXIF rotation markings. Now all this talk about separating out photos from the main app leads the cynic in me to think that this is the first step toward dropping photo support altogether.

I really don’t need a busier interface. Simple and competent beats busy and broken every - single - day.

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They are probably not dropping photos altogether or they would not have given us the preview Photos app.

They are definitely yanking photos and music from the “main” video player app.

We don’t know if every platform will get apps for photos and music–they have not committed to universal support.

All we can do is make our preferences known while we wait.

@BanzaiInstitute - I agree with your statements. Plex probably won’t completely drop photo support. But, I’ve tried the preview photos app and it still ignores .heic photos, and EXIF rotation data on short videos. Given that this app is introduced as something new for photos, I expected something new that wouldn’t have these trivial bugs. So I have to think that the same old code for photos has been put into the new stand alone app. If I consider this along with the “Plex Experience” statement of moving to a single code base for all platforms, then I have to wonder whether photos have been separated so that they need not support it on the new unified code base. So, without dropping photos completely, they get relegated to a separate app. In other words, photos are not part of the new Plex Experience.

Think about it - Plex put up a brand new photos app on the Apple App Store that won’t work with the photos taken on the devices it was made for. It boggles the mind.

I then reason that the separate photos app will probably get the same amount of attention and bug fixes that the photos portion of Plex has seen in the last decade. [none]

Sorry for the gloomy post - on a more positive note - I’m actually excited about the intent to publish the updated APIs for the server. Generally, the more open that Plex can be, the better. Let’s see how well that comes along.

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I think they announced the photos app as a preview or otherwise unfinished. It will, hopefully, receive some more updates and not be stuck how it is now.

As always with Plex, we just have to wait and see.

I don’t keep photos at all so I’m hoping they give us Plexamp everywhere first. :slight_smile:

Hi @tanschutz thanks for weighing in! As one of the devs working on the Photos preview, I just wanted to quickly chime in here to hopefully clarify a few things.

Both of these issues are related to the server, not the Photos app (which is why they’re also present in the existing Plex clients).

HEIC—and some other formats like AVIF—aren’t currently supported by Plex Media Server. This issue is being tracked internally, and while I don’t have a timeline for it, it’s definitely an issue we’re aware of and would like to fix. Similar situation with the exif rotation data, though I suspect there’s some client-side work involved in addition to the server work for this one.

Now, as for this part:

Let me be completely unambiguous here and say we are NOT dropping photos support.

The rationale for splitting Music and Photos out from the main app was outlined in some detail here, but in short, our longer term strategy is to open up the possibility of new library types (think; Audiobooks, Ebooks, and more) via community-built agents and corresponding third-party apps via the server API, while allowing us to build dedicated, more focused user experiences for Photos and Music.

Quite the opposite; the Photos preview is built on the same codebase as the new Plex app. Sharing components and logic between our apps should allow us to build more Photos features, faster!

It will! The team (myself included) is currently all hands on deck with the main app at the moment, but thanks to the shared codebase, all of the work happening there will benefit Photos, too.

I know this represents a lot of change all at once, but personally speaking (as a heavy user of both Photos and Plexamp), I’m really excited about what’s coming!

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Hi @aubrey.wodonga,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I like your enthusiasm about the company and the product.

I read the Fireside Follow-up you linked to and saw some discussion that seems to say that it is a 2025 goal to remove music and photos from the Plex app. They will be separate apps.

I have to think that this means that my use case of playing slideshows and playing music at the same time on my TV may no longer be supported at the end of next year. (The reason for my original post.)

So here is a request: When a new photos app emerges on TV streaming boxes, like Roku and Apple TV - please include the feature to play music there as well. If not directly, then as a output for PlexAmp running elsewhere.

There is a lot more I could suggest for a better photos experience, but that is kind of wandering away from the topic of this post - and as you said, you and the entire team is all-in on the new Plex app.

Is there a “suggestion box” thread for photos?

Regards

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Quite the opposite; the Photos preview is built on the same codebase as the new Plex app. Sharing components and logic between our apps should allow us to build more Photos features, faster!

If so, then why doesn’t the photos app have the same baseline functionality that the main app does? Timeline - no actual timeline slider down the side. Library - doesn’t show a preview photo for each folder. Landscape view doesn’t work. No slideshow playlists.

At the moment, the photos app is a far cry from the base app.

I want to echo a concern of tanshutz you didn’t respond to - playing music while a slideshow is playing. This is KEY, and I also do this on my TV/home theater with the Roku Plex app. If that app remains intact I have less of a concern, however not being able to do this on my iPad would not be great either. Can you confirm whether this multi-app strategy is going to be implemented for the Roku app (or Apple TV)? Quite frankly if that were the case, it would be quite upsetting.

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Is photos ever coming to TV? We don’t watch our photos on phones individually, rather watch photos as a group on the TV.

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Hi SimonXCIV, et.al.

I’m now able to try the Plex Experience preview. It seems that all my iOS devices have been “updated” and now have removed the ability to show my photos library. (except ATV, which still has the 8.45 client with photos and music.) I’ve also noticed that there have been few updates to the new photos app of any substance. And I need to remark that the app is more frustrating than useful for me. It teases that it might show photos, but most of the time it doesn’t really. I don’t see a minimum viable product here. My wife keeps telling me that Plex is broken on her iPad. So here I am in your forums again.

About your new app:
There are 3 views or tabs along the bottom, “Recommended” shows some thumbnails, and most of the time I can touch a thumbnail and see a full sized picture, other times I get a screen that says “Failed to load image.”. However most of my photos are not available in Recommended - and I don’t understand why they are recommended. Actually, I do get it with the recently added being recommended, but the other two I’m shown are Photos from 1976 and Photos from the 1990s. Why are those recommended? What constitutes a recommendation? The recommendations are different on different devices - so are they just random? Why does Plex think I need recommendations for my photos? I rarely go back to those dates unless I want to include them in a slide show. I have the same question about the recommended tab on the old Roku player app. I notice that it does not appear on the ATV player.

I’ve never seen the Timeline view, but can imagine what it might look like from Apple Photos. Every time I select the Timeline I get the spinning circle of infinite wait. It’s stuck there and I have to force quit the app to recover. I’d recommend that you consider for all your apps that waiting is not a deadlock, but rather that when you are waiting, it is still possible to back out of the operation or jump to a new one.

The Library view crashes about half the time I select it. The other half I get a directory listing of my photos library. If I drill down into the directories, I eventually see thumbnails of photos, and sometimes I can select a picture and see it full size, and other times I see a “Failed to Load Image” screen like I just described before. Every so often, the picture does show up, but after about 30 seconds of black screen. And then there is the frustrating part, the picture that shows up after about 30 seconds, is often then removed and “Failed to load image” is shown instead. Oddly enough, in this case I can still click on the info icon and it will tell me the filename and the exif info from the image that “failed to load.” I can almost laugh because It seems like the app is rescuing defeat from the jaws of victory 8-). Another disconcerting behavior is that thumbnails are inconsistent. If I scroll up and down the app redraws the thumbnails and changes them! Yes, the content of the thumbnails change as I scroll. The quicker I scroll, the more they change.

Last and most importantly - I have not found any sort of way to see a picture slideshow. If you recall, this is one of my prime reasons for using Plex. I want to be able to have my pictures slideshow on my TV with music in the background. As an aside, this only seems to work on Roku. The ATV has buttons for slideshow and random slideshow, but it never progresses from the first picture (version 8.45 or .46). And if you do work on the slideshow - please add the configuration menu to set how long a photo is shown. I seem to recall that this was available at some time in the past (but I might have mistaken it with Apple Photos)

My recommendation for Plex Inc. - if you want to keep your users - is to continue to make the old style application available while the new ones are being developed. At least until you reach feature parity, or perhaps indefinitely as an archived experience. I’d also recommend that your new “features” should be opt-in and never forced-in. That just alienates users.

Finally, It seems to me that for a media server product, you would consider advancement to be more integration of media types over time, and instead is seems like we are getting more disintegration. I’d very strongly recommend that you reverse that direction.

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Very nice detailed post. Too bad no one from Plex has responded.

Regarding playing music with pictures. While that might have been a possibility in old builds, it’s clear it no longer is. This is because the old build approach was video, music and pics all in one app. Now it all different apps, so this means Plex has moved in the opposite direction.