Plex Cloud Freakout

@mandrup said:
If you actually read what I wrote I NEVER complained I just told the reason why would like encryption. don’t put your frustration on me, I never complained about plex cloud, just agreed on the need for encryption and my reason why - just as you have yours why it doesnt matter

I should’ve been more specific. Everything from when I said:

What do you hope to gain (and by you I’m referring to all the fear mongers across the internet posting hypotheticals and straight up inaccuracies)?

was referring to people in general. Not you.

@gbooker02 said:
On the topic of encryption: How many player stacks support a single media encryption mechanism? Remember this has to work without a server sitting between the client and the data so all data handling must be able to work from within the client alone. There are some pretty dumb media stacks out there and finding an encryption mechanism that works with all of them is quite fun (an exercise left to the reader).

Let’s go with Plex Media Server. Final answer.

Plex on FreeNAS with ZFS encryption. Plex on OpenStack with Ceph encryption. How about what gave all of you the idea for Plex Cloud on Amazon Cloud Drive in the first place? Tutorials just like this one.

Plex Media Server on a cheap VPS/dedicated server mounting an encrypted Amazon Cloud Drive for playback storage. The exact same setup Plex Cloud uses except you host the cheap VPS/dedicated server in the Cloud without any encryption to protect home videos. It is Plex Media Server running in a virtual machine container in Amazon’s Cloud. Don’t make it sound like its magic or that it isn’t capable of mounting encrypted disks. You can add that in for advanced users.

If I can go to lowendbox.com, buy a painfully cheap KVM VPS, setup the tutorial above, and recreate Plex Cloud, you are telling us that Plex developers, Amazon’s Cloud, and all your expertise can’t do the same? I don’t think that is what you are saying.

It’s not what they CAN’T do, it’s what they WON’T do. How will Amazon ever benefit from 100 million users each uploading 10TB of ENCRYPTED data? The whole idea behind this and what Amazon is banking on, is that of those users, 80 million users share at least 8TB of the same files - I’m pulling these figures out of my hat of course but you get the idea. It’s why they can offer “unlimited” data for $60 - because there are only a limited number of movies in existence with a limited number of ways to convert them to Plex format - all of those only need to be hosted once. That is why I’m personally convinced you will never see OOTB true encryption.

Frankly, the argument of people’s babies swimming around in a pool with no clothes on is getting old fast - trust me, NOBODY is interested enough in those to hack the entire Amazon infrastructure. Don’t you guys realize Amazon hosts at least half the entire Internet, including the entire Netflix and Dropbox (edit, oops, Dropbox no longer apparently) solutions? Your kiddie movies are PEANUTS compared to that…

Sorry don’t mean to rant but my some guys can go on. You (= everybody, not someone in particular) DO have the freedom to encrypt your movies and back them up to Amazon, you just can’t use Plex Cloud with that. Just use your current system and be happy (as if your local ISP is more hack proof than Amazon, but let’s not get into that)…

@eygraber said:
Tl;dr I rant about how ridiculous it is that people are freaking out over so many made up issues with Plex Cloud.

I can’t believe the amount of freaking out that is going on over Plex Cloud. When I saw the announcement, I was ecstatic. This was something I’d been hoping would happen ever since I started using Plex.

There were a few misgivings I had initially:

  1. Why Amazon storage? I didn’t even know that they offered such a service. I’d much rather use Google Drive.
  2. Why can’t I encrypt all my files in the storage layer so Amazon can’t see them?
  3. Would Amazon scan my files for pirated content (not that I have any) and what if they pull a Bitcasa/OneDrive and terminate “unlimited”?

After maybe a minute of rational thought, I was able to dismiss all these issues.

  1. Amazon offers unlimited storage at a cheap price. Frictionless entry ($60 is not bad).
  2. Plex can’t be doing anything that would lead to them aiding and abetting users in masking their piracy. I’d hate to see Plex get in trouble for anything.
  3. This is the kicker. I’ll discuss it further below.

Content with that, I registered for the beta, and started uploading my content to Amazon in anticipation (still waiting ever so impatiently 8-}).

Since I was so excited by this, I went against my better judgement, and started reading comments on announcement articles. It was like getting hit by a sheer wave of stupidity. A brave mod was attempting to respond to these idiots (granted some of them may have just been looking for information, but the vast majority are idiots), but it was no use. I’ve seen various explanations for the stupidity, ranging from JPOD (Just Plain Old Dummies), to sponsored trolling from the movie industry and Plex’s competitors, but it doesn’t matter. The fear mongering has begun. I’ve seen tech crunch articles now warning about using Plex Cloud.

The main gripe that people have is that Plex is purposely putting them in a position where they will upload their pirated content to Amazon, who will promptly shut down their account, causing them to lose all their data, and the MPAA will sue them. [Granted this next part is more about user’s not understanding the tech that they use, but hey, it’s a rant] Until that happens, Plex will be busy blowing through your data caps by uploading then downloading then reuploading and redownloading files every time you want to play a video. Of course they will limit this by only allowing one connection at a time. Naturally they’ll charge a boatload for this. “What’s that? A Plex employee says that none of that is true? Let’s ignore him and make up more BS”!

The misinformation continued to grow. I saw rational answers and explanations from the mods and community summarily dismissed, or better yet, used to soon even greater conspiracy theories.

Even though it is stupidity, it still should be addressed.

People, think about it. Plex is a profitable company with a great track record of user friendliness. The community is well built and strong. They are well aware of what a percentage of their users have Plex for. I’ll allow myself to speculate that they didn’t build Plex Cloud for home videos.

This has obviously been a well thought out feature. The preparedness of the mods shows that they knew what kind of troll response there would be, and they were ready for it. Do you think they completely glossed over the fact that Amazon could terminate the “unlimited” clause of their service, or scan for copyright violations? They ain’t stupid. Of course they took that into account.

I have no knowledge of any communication between Amazon and Plex. I’d bet money that there was/is. This is too big of an undertaking for Plex to just wing it.

Think about it from Plex’s perspective. They have 0 to gain by their users being frustrated by a crippled server, with their content getting locked away, while they get sued. I can’t believe that had to be said out loud. They want the best experience for their users. Plex Cloud is an amazing opportunity for them to win over users who don’t want to have to setup and maintain a server, worry about bandwidth, or just think it’s pretty frikin cool (personally I’ve been spending way too much time dreaming about the implementation - which I know the team doesn’t want to discuss).

Think about it from Amazon’s perspective. They have a cloud storage offering. They’ve seen what’s happened to previous players in the field of unlimited storage. What they have here is a golden egg of a huge increase in $60 a year subscriptions. I never would have even knew that Amazon had a cloud storage solution, and even if I did, I never would’ve used it if it weren’t for Plex Cloud. Amazon has little interest in losing all these users.

There was a line constantly repeated by a Plex mod in response to questions of Amazon shutting down accounts, and taking legal action. It was a bit coy, but I’ll repeat it here (shoutout to Emilio)

don’t try to run a streaming media business and you will likely be fine.

Seriously folks, Plex is here to help you. Don’t abuse the system, use it as it was intended, and you’ll be fine. Cut the stupidity!

PS don’t use Amazon storage as an excuse to not backup your data. Problem solved!

There is having an opinion and then there is calling everyone idiots and stupid and completely disregarding views other than your own. I see your points but I absolutely disagree with the horrible manner in which you presented them. You also are not in the same position of others where their personal pictures/videos HAVE been stolen and used inappropriately – I think if you were older (assuming your avatar is you and not a picture from 20 years ago) and HAD some of those experiences, you wouldn’t completely disregard the validity of those concerns.

A lot of your post had assumptions not backed up by anything. I’d even point out how you address the “misinformation” while also contributing to it as well. At best your post is an overly opinionated rant, at worst it completely disregards other human beings and their concerns.

@i1u2smile You seem to vehemently object to paying customers asking for features they want to see in products they are paying for. Why? Why are you so invested in keeping your fellow paying customers from making reasonable requests accompanied by reasonable justification?

You ask how the feature request will benefit Amazon. Why is that my concern as a paying customer? Do I walk into Walmart concerned about the corporation’s health or earnings? No. I am there as a paying client purchasing goods and services. We aren’t friends. They aren’t my buddies from school. It is a for profit private corporation that is charging for goods and services. Even if they are legally people, we shouldn’t treat them as friends. We are paying clients, they are being paid for their services, and no additional beneficial relationship needs to exist. It is up to them to make a profit. We do not owe them a profit margin. That isn’t how capitalism works.

Finally, you should spend your time arguing for features and changes you want to see instead of focusing on threads like this. You are ranting against changes others want to see while accomplishing nothing constructive. You’ve argued in favor of Amazon’s profit margin, against user security, against Cloud data storage best practices, against features requested by fellow PlexPass subscribers, and didn’t really benefit yourself in any way. You won’t see any positive changes as a result of your posts. At best, they don’t implement encryption because of you and that leaves us vulnerable in a way we shouldn’t be in 2016. Do you want to be the reason that Plex doesn’t implement a feature that many want to see?

I don’t mean to suggest you would singularity cause that sort of decision to be made one way or another. With that said, you do contribute to the conversation as a whole. Your part in it here has been to argue against your fellow PlexPass subscribers when they ask for features. Why aren’t you focused on features you want instead?

@i1u2smile said:
It’s not what they CAN’T do, it’s what they WON’T do. How will Amazon ever benefit from 100 million users each uploading 10TB of ENCRYPTED data? The whole idea behind this and what Amazon is banking on, is that of those users, 80 million users share at least 8TB of the same files - I’m pulling these figures out of my hat of course but you get the idea. It’s why they can offer “unlimited” data for $60 - because there are only a limited number of movies in existence with a limited number of ways to convert them to Plex format - all of those only need to be hosted once. That is why I’m personally convinced you will never see OOTB true encryption.

Frankly, the argument of people’s babies swimming around in a pool with no clothes on is getting old fast - trust me, NOBODY is interested enough in those to hack the entire Amazon infrastructure. Don’t you guys realize Amazon hosts at least half the entire Internet, including the entire Netflix and Dropbox (edit, oops, Dropbox no longer apparently) solutions? Your kiddie movies are PEANUTS compared to that…

Sorry don’t mean to rant but my some guys can go on. You (= everybody, not someone in particular) DO have the freedom to encrypt your movies and back them up to Amazon, you just can’t use Plex Cloud with that. Just use your current system and be happy (as if your local ISP is more hack proof than Amazon, but let’s not get into that)…

It’s funny that some people just disregard legitimate concerns. When you know that people steal your kids photos/videos and use them inappropriately you might change your opinion (it does happen). The fact of the matter is some people are shifting everything to a full-state encryption regardless of what it is. The argument that ONLY important/secret/or illegal information should be encrypted is an archaic relic of the past. Now systems are doing data-at-rest and data-on-the-move encryption by default just to avoid the concerns of anything. It’s easier to operate in that process rather than apply the archaic thoughts to, you need to determine which data goes where and if it gets encrypted or not. If you are not seeing this already, then you might want to look around a bit more. A LOT of companies and systems are shifting to this.

I agree that the encryption is a far-shot, but it’s not without scrutiny and rightfully so. I’m not saying Plex has to have encryption but it also didn’t include TLS encryption when it first started (if I’m remembering correctly), nor did a LOT of services on the Internet. You’d really be impressed what you can find out from someone’s photo library. As an exercise, it would be interesting if you were a heavy photo user in Plex to go through the years of photos uploaded (without sanitizing them first as most people don’t) and see what personal information you can dig up. It’s an interesting security exercise that anyone can do on their smartphone to see just how opened up they have made themselves should the library be hacked. The most obvious inclusion would be all of the nude celebrity photos leaked. Obviously those are a certain class of their own but it does present how intrusive a photo library can end up being. Lots of people take photos of credit cards to send to others to use temporarily but the photos remain. The list goes on and on. Now if you sanitize everything that could be uploaded to an amazing degree, kudos to you. But to the common world, encryption is vital – any argument against is archaic and periodically damaging to perpetuate.

You are both missing my point. I’m not arguing against anything, heck I’m all for encryption. However my line of reasoning is that no matter how badly we want encryption, it’s not likely to happen for reasons I mentioned before. Amazon is in it to make money, they see $$$ with this arrangement. That is why my PERSONAL OPINION is that encryption out of the box is not going to happen any time soon, if at all.

You also missed my point that if Amazon is going to get hacked, the world has more to worry about than just a family movie getting out in the open.

But by all means, keep asking for it and who knows, Plex will arrange something. An employee already stated in the beta forum that they have noted it on the wish list, so not all hope is lost.

@i1u2smile said:
You are both missing my point. I’m not arguing against anything, heck I’m all for encryption. However my line of reasoning is that no matter how badly we want encryption, it’s not likely to happen for reasons I mentioned before. Amazon is in it to make money, they see $$$ with this arrangement. That is why my PERSONAL OPINION is that encryption out of the box is not going to happen any time soon, if at all.

You also missed my point that if Amazon is going to get hacked, the world has more to worry about than just a family movie getting out in the open.

But by all means, keep asking for it and who knows, Plex will arrange something. An employee already stated in the beta forum that they have noted it on the wish list, so not all hope is lost.

All legal files will have their own hash so amazon cant save space there. they will only be able to do it on pirated stuff which carry the same hash values. But with harddrives growid rapidly in size i dont think we should worry about space at amazon as they most likely have hundreds if not thousands of PB and rapidly growing as harddrive capacity increases and their facilities grow.

You also never know if you have a pedophile working at amazon just sniffing through random peoples content. it can happen, chances are that it never will, but it can.
Dont you lock your door when you leave home? same thing - i dont expect people to try and enter, but if they do i wanna make sure its locked

But good to know they noticed the request :slight_smile: Untill then ill keep those private videos on stablebit clouddrive and just host my own server

@robertclemens said:

@eygraber said:
Tl;dr I rant about how ridiculous it is that people are freaking out over so many made up issues with Plex Cloud.
There is having an opinion and then there is calling everyone idiots and stupid and completely disregarding views other than your own. I see your points but I absolutely disagree with the horrible manner in which you presented them. You also are not in the same position of others where their personal pictures/videos HAVE been stolen and used inappropriately – I think if you were older (assuming your avatar is you and not a picture from 20 years ago) and HAD some of those experiences, you wouldn’t completely disregard the validity of those concerns.

A lot of your post had assumptions not backed up by anything. I’d even point out how you address the “misinformation” while also contributing to it as well. At best your post is an overly opinionated rant, at worst it completely disregards other human beings and their concerns.

You must have missed the first two words of my post which were “I rant”.

On the topic of whether I disregard validity of security concerns. I happen to have an MSCS with a focus in cryptography and network/application security. Not to toot my own horn, but I know a thing or two about the implications of a lack of encryption. I never said there shouldn’t be encryption. What I did was affirm that there is not encryption, and provided a plausible reason as to why there isn’t, and probably will continue to not be. Others have added to that premise in their own posts on this thread.

While I do speculate in that post, I clearly (I think) label it as such, so I don’t feel like I’m contributing to the misinformation. The only reason I wrote this was because I happened to see a TechCrunch article essentially declaring that the MPAA will sue you and Amazon will lock your account if you use Plex Cloud.

Similarly, I’m not disregarding anyone’s view. But if people continue to cling to falsities (and tell everyone about them) after it has been proven to be false, then I believe that I’m entitled to a rant or two.

PS my photo is representative of what I wish I still looked like. It also happens to be the last normal picture that was taken of me
B-)

@mandrup said:
But good to know they noticed the request :slight_smile:

Exactly, who knows what the future will bring. I think that people have more reason to fear that Amazon might go back on the unlimited and ask $10/month per TB like the rest do… I consider that possibly about a million times more likely than a data dump of their yottabyte or whatever of data they store (who would be able to host that anyway? And then sort through it all to find a giggling baby?). But I’m by no means dismissing the concerns, I’m just trying to bring some reality to it all.

@mandrup said:

You also never know if you have a pedophile working at amazon just sniffing through random peoples content. it can happen, chances are that it never will, but it can.

Not the exact same thing, but does back up your point somewhat: Verizon technician admits he sold customer data for years

You never know what somebody is doing and getting away with, especially in large companies.

-Shark2k

@eygraber said:

@scurtis said:
I am mainly worried about possible liability under the DMCA.

That’s valid, but keep in mind that Plex must’ve thought of that, and wouldn’t offer Plex Cloud if they felt it would be an issue. As their mod keeps saying (and now I do too):

don’t try to run a streaming media business and you will likely be fine.

Frankly, I think some users from the described scope of their sharing on this very forum seem like they’re already in competition with Hulu. The motion picture association ignores this for now, as there are not that many Plex users (most internet users don’t want to maintain a server of any kind).

If this new product is popular enough though to attract much more than a bleeding edge techie crowd, I do think it and Plex in general could get some unwanted legal attention from the MPA.

That said, I intend to give this a whirl, and I think home user who keep their sharing limited hopefully will be fine.

I really like the idea here of the Plex Cloud.

I am hoping Plex also considers Google Drive. I have been using Plex sync with Drive. However the Sync feature is not quite what I hoped. I am curious how this solution is different from that type of solution they are doing with Sync today.

@brucethevideobug said:

@eygraber said:

@scurtis said:
I am mainly worried about possible liability under the DMCA.

That’s valid, but keep in mind that Plex must’ve thought of that, and wouldn’t offer Plex Cloud if they felt it would be an issue. As their mod keeps saying (and now I do too):

don’t try to run a streaming media business and you will likely be fine.

Frankly, I think some users from the described scope of their sharing on this very forum seem like they’re already in competition with Hulu. The motion picture association ignores this for now, as there are not that many Plex users (most internet users don’t want to maintain a server of any kind).

If this new product is popular enough though to attract much more than a bleeding edge techie crowd, I do think it and Plex in general could get some unwanted legal attention from the MPA.

That said, I intend to give this a whirl, and I think home user who keep their sharing limited hopefully will be fine.

Precisely why Plex has cut themselves off from any liability. They don’t encrypt/decrypt anything, you don’t upload anything through them, and they don’t store your files. If anyone gets in trouble with the MPAA because of the “scope of their sharing” no one will be affected besides that user. Plex doesn’t get in trouble, other users don’t get in trouble. They’ve been as open as they can about this.

@darrell@networked.com said:
I really like the idea here of the Plex Cloud.

I am hoping Plex also considers Google Drive. I have been using Plex sync with Drive. However the Sync feature is not quite what I hoped. I am curious how this solution is different from that type of solution they are doing with Sync today.

I was hoping they would too, but it’s hard to argue against $60 a year for unlimited storage.

I’m not worried too much about Amazon being hacked, although Yahoo and DropBox have proven that putting too much faith in that is stupid.

I’m not worried about Amazon caring what sort of data I store. I know as a business they’ll gladly turn the other way as long as they can make money.

What I do worry about is the MPAA caring, and coming down on Amazon and particularly Plex. Hard. The MPAA has many times more money than Plex does, and when it comes to the courts, he who can buy the more-expensive lawyers wins. It doesn’t matter if I use Plex Cloud or not, if Plex’s foray into this shady business model results into them being sued out of existence. We all lose in that situation.

@sremick said:
I’m not worried too much about Amazon being hacked, although Yahoo and DropBox have proven that putting too much faith in that is stupid.

I’m not worried about Amazon caring what sort of data I store. I know as a business they’ll gladly turn the other way as long as they can make money.

What I do worry about is the MPAA caring, and coming down on Amazon and particularly Plex. Hard. The MPAA has many times more money than Plex does, and when it comes to the courts, he who can buy the more-expensive lawyers wins. It doesn’t matter if I use Plex Cloud or not, if Plex’s foray into this shady business model results into them being sued out of existence. We all lose in that situation.

At the end of the day, Plex is legally in the clear. They don’t own the content, they don’t host the content, they don’t try to hide the content, and pretty much all they do is stream the content.
The MPAA can have whatever lawyers they want. They can certainly try to sue them, but they have no interest in lawsuits that they’re pretty much guaranteed to lose. They’d much rather go after the users, except then they get very bad publicity. So yet again, I’ll quote the Plex mod:

don’t try to run a streaming media business and you will likely be fine

In case that’s not explicit enough, I’ll explain, because it seems like some people are not understanding.

Plex is telling you that unless you try to use Plex Cloud to run your own streaming media business (ie charging people to use your Plex Cloud account so they can watch TV shows or movies), you will likely be fine (and that “likely” is there so that in the extremely unlikely event that something does happen, no one can say Plex for sure told me I’ll be fine). Why would they say this?

They used the same common sense logic I used above. Plex is protected, because they’ve done nothing wrong. Amazon is protected, because all they have to do is shut down the account. The standard user is pretty well protected by the fact that the MPAA probably doesn’t want more bad publicity when they go after average Joe. However, no one would really care if they go after someone who is making a profit off of it (ie someone who starts a streaming media company).

Tying this all together is the fact that the MPAA won’t know about copyright infringement unless someone tells them. Plex has no requirement to tell them. Amazon sort of does. So the only way the MPAA can find out about a violation is if Amazon tells them. I assure you that Amazon has no interest in getting rid of $60 a year accounts. So they’re most likely looking the other way. If however, you get their attention by, I don’t know, running a streaming media business through your Plex Cloud, they’ll probably report you (both because you’re costing them money, and because it’s a big fish they’ll keep the MPAA happy).

I have spent a lot of time thinking about this and have come to the conclusion that everything should be fine if we don’t abuse it. I am mainly interested in this for the purpose of sharing movies, TV shows and music ripped from my disc library with a few close family members. It is also interesting from a reliability point of view to back up my local server when I am out of town and cannot provide tech support if the server goes down. This also extends to having a pretty bulletproof solution for access media when traveling. If that is all I am doing, I cannot imagine being interesting enough for anyone to go after. This is especially true given that I legally own almost 2,000 movies, over 800 CDs and at least 50 seasons of television. That just wouldn’t play out well in the court of public opinion.

In short, I think that those who follow the spirit of the law have very little to worry about.

I understand some of the concern, but I’m actually surprised how many people have freaked out over this, so I appreciate the thread :slight_smile:

I don’t think anyone would care about a small time server with legally purchased media. Yes, it’s a grey area, which is why I don’t think anyone would care. If anyone abused it by trying to publicly run their own Netflix service, it’d make sense to go after that user. Going after Plex would be about as logical as going after Transmission for being a torrent client.

If there’s still any concern, just run your own server and skip Plex Cloud. Problem solved.

@eygraber said:

@sremick said:
I’m not worried too much about Amazon being hacked, although Yahoo and DropBox have proven that putting too much faith in that is stupid.

I’m not worried about Amazon caring what sort of data I store. I know as a business they’ll gladly turn the other way as long as they can make money.

What I do worry about is the MPAA caring, and coming down on Amazon and particularly Plex. Hard. The MPAA has many times more money than Plex does, and when it comes to the courts, he who can buy the more-expensive lawyers wins. It doesn’t matter if I use Plex Cloud or not, if Plex’s foray into this shady business model results into them being sued out of existence. We all lose in that situation.

At the end of the day, Plex is legally in the clear. They don’t own the content, they don’t host the content, they don’t try to hide the content, and pretty much all they do is stream the content.
The MPAA can have whatever lawyers they want. They can certainly try to sue them, but they have no interest in lawsuits that they’re pretty much guaranteed to lose. They’d much rather go after the users, except then they get very bad publicity. So yet again, I’ll quote the Plex mod:

don’t try to run a streaming media business and you will likely be fine

In case that’s not explicit enough, I’ll explain, because it seems like some people are not understanding.

Plex is telling you that unless you try to use Plex Cloud to run your own streaming media business (ie charging people to use your Plex Cloud account so they can watch TV shows or movies), you will likely be fine (and that “likely” is there so that in the extremely unlikely event that something does happen, no one can say Plex for sure told me I’ll be fine). Why would they say this?

They used the same common sense logic I used above. Plex is protected, because they’ve done nothing wrong. Amazon is protected, because all they have to do is shut down the account. The standard user is pretty well protected by the fact that the MPAA probably doesn’t want more bad publicity when they go after average Joe. However, no one would really care if they go after someone who is making a profit off of it (ie someone who starts a streaming media company).

Tying this all together is the fact that the MPAA won’t know about copyright infringement unless someone tells them. Plex has no requirement to tell them. Amazon sort of does. So the only way the MPAA can find out about a violation is if Amazon tells them. I assure you that Amazon has no interest in getting rid of $60 a year accounts. So they’re most likely looking the other way. If however, you get their attention by, I don’t know, running a streaming media business through your Plex Cloud, they’ll probably report you (both because you’re costing them money, and because it’s a big fish they’ll keep the MPAA happy).

Great post :slight_smile:

I would like to add that -IF- an authority asks Amazon to investigate a certain account it won’t mean that there will be a SWAT-team knocking down your door. Amazon might:

  • send you a cease-and-desist notice on behalf of the specific authority.
  • disable certain features on your account regarding to sharing, or maybe they can ‘disable’ the Plex-acces-part
  • or disable your account completely

If the above isnt working because, lets say, you run multiple accounts and keep content synced through an external server, it becomes a game of ‘whack a mole’ and there might be some legal action.

Of course, i’m assuming a lot of things here, but like already said, if you use Amazon Cloud Drive + Plex Cloud for your own private purposes I see very little danger.