Plex Cloud - Google Drive questions

Not to get in the middle of the “legal” battle here… my $0.02 is that yes… if you upload files that are copyrighted, then technically they could suspend your account for violating TOS, but that’s what they have to say for legal protection on their end. We have evidence that they only use the file hashes when you create a share link, because that is when they truly can get in trouble (i.e. sharing that link to pirated sites is what gains them loads of DMCA takedown requests)… but the way Plex accesses the media, the copyright holders won’t be able to tell which accounts the Plex cloud servers are connected to, so almost no risk of DMCA takedowns. (If copyright holders had the ability to make Plex give them any data about the files people were sharing with their product, Plex would have died years ago). And Plex does NOT create share links, so no need on the hosting provider’s part to check against the hashes. Doesn’t mean the responsibility isn’t on the user to ‘not upload copyrighted content’, but I’m saying the risk is incredibly low of your account getting suspended for that reason.

I say that as someone who has had all my TV shows in Google Drive for years as a backup, with not a single notice or complaint from Google.

And let’s be honest here. Plex is no small fish anymore. The Plex Cloud release made headlines on many major tech sites today. Google Microsoft Amazon and Dropbox are well aware of this service, and if they wanted to block it, they could have during the beta. They aren’t going to, because ultimately, this will likely result in more revenue for them (in the form of people choosing to pay for storage rather than building their own server). They have the infrastructure to support it, and I guarantee you if a service as large as Plex was going to launch something of this scale, they didn’t do it without a conversation happening with the hosting providers. But, in said conversation, Plex spins it the same way that they’ve always spun it, that this is personal home media or owned content, and they have no actual connection or liability for the files. That protects plex, and the hosting providers, and although everyone subtly understands what is happening here, it’s all quiet and protected by release of liability.

So yes, ultimately, the responsibility is on us as users to make sure we own the rights to everything we upload to the cloud, and hopefully we all do… (hopefully…), but the chances of you getting sucked into a legal battle over Plex cloud is incredibly low if not entirely nonexistent IMO if ALL you do with the uploaded content is access it through Plex cloud.

Now… if you want to talk about G-Suite for Education and the whole “Unlimited” storage factor… that’s a whole different topic (actually, that’s the topic that brought me to this thread)… my guess is Google is Not going to just stand by and allow people to upload terabytes of TV shows to G-Suite for EDU and access it through Plex. Time will tell, but I’m actually in the process of testing this right now (uploading ~20TB to a G-Suite EDU account that is connected to Plex Cloud (has been for the past month)), we’ll see if anything happens. I’ll report back if it gets suspended.

Interesting topic. Curious to see how this all plays out.

@hthighway said:

@SanchezHouse said:
@hthighway -

I have e-mailed the providers available for Plex Cloud and this is a paraphrasing I have been getting from them.

To provide one of the responses from Microsoft, here is what they’ve stated on the matter:

I would like to inform you that linking OneDrive to any third party application is not supported from Microsoft. It is against the Microsoft’s Terms of Service.

Google and Dropbox echoed the same response as if they were all working together on these types of questions asked by them on this topic.

Back to the point for a moment, do you not find it odd that a cloud provider would respond to you in this manner when they clearly provide a complete API for 3rd party development?

Ref: Google Drive API overview  |  Google for Developers

@hthighway -

In my opinion, they can provide a complete API for 3rd party to develop, but not to be used to comprised their terms of service. Parties like Plex have to be cautious about creating features that are going to comprise the privacy and content of their users.

While Plex Cloud is a feature that is around for now. Cloud providers are going to have a problem with Plex using their cloud providers as backends to support a user’s ability to create their own streaming service. Yes, a customer pays for cloud computing. It can be used for storage purposes, but not for storing content that is copyrighted. You can store personal photos, personal videos, personal music because the only copyright to those things are yours. People believe when they buy a CD, DVD, Blu-Ray or digital download, that they bought the content and its theirs. This is a wrong notion. People buy the permission for this content, thinking they own it, but they don’t. People own the permission.

For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex. Is it safe to assume that I own this copy and that it’s mine? No. I bought the Blu-Ray and the only use I am allowed to use with the Blu-Ray is to play it on a Blu-Ray player; not to rip it, upload on a personal server such as Plex, but it’s done because for now the content providers have not been as strong on companies like Plex who endorse this type of activity.

The take: API development is allowed by 3rd parties, but not to create application(s) that go against their Terms of Service.

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex.

First you are not uploading to Plex, you are uploading to the cloud provider and you have to determine on your own that the files you upload are in compliance with any TOS.

The take: API development is allowed by 3rd parties, but not to create application(s) that go against their Terms of Service.

Yes, development is allowed by 3rd parties, that was the point of my link and to counter your original claim that linking to cloud providers by 3rd party apps goes against their TOS

You all are way too skeptical of this. Read my whole post earlier in this thread…

There is no way this was launched without the cloud providers being aware of it. They’re not just going to restrict access to it, plex isn’t some home brewed app, they knew what they were doing.

You’ll never get the cloud providers to say it’s technically “allowed”, but if you think they’re just going to pull it because they didn’t know about it until they read about it on Engadget, you don’t really realize how BIG Plex actually is…

@hthighway said:

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex.

First you are not uploading to Plex, you are uploading to the cloud provider and you have to determine on your own that the files you upload are in compliance with any TOS.

The take: API development is allowed by 3rd parties, but not to create application(s) that go against their Terms of Service.

Yes, development is allowed by 3rd parties, that was the point of my link and to counter your original claim that linking to cloud providers by 3rd party apps goes against their TOS

@hthighway -

To clarify by uploading, I meant when you match information from your movie files to Plex so it can be seen on your server. I understand fully you don’t upload to Plex.

If you read the API agreement and the TOS for Google Drive, you can make the conclusion that creating this feature can create conflicts for customers. To believe that there is no problem with what Plex created here with this feature is overlooking the obvious.

I should add for posterity that I’ve been running plex cloud using google drive for months (beta), tons and tons of streams, and have no complaints from Google…

@SanchezHouse said:

@hthighway said:

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex.

First you are not uploading to Plex, you are uploading to the cloud provider and you have to determine on your own that the files you upload are in compliance with any TOS.

The take: API development is allowed by 3rd parties, but not to create application(s) that go against their Terms of Service.

Yes, development is allowed by 3rd parties, that was the point of my link and to counter your original claim that linking to cloud providers by 3rd party apps goes against their TOS

@hthighway -

To clarify by uploading, I meant when you match information from your movie files to Plex so it can be seen on your server. I understand fully you don’t upload to Plex.

If you read the API agreement and the TOS for Google Drive, you can make the conclusion that creating this feature can create conflicts for customers. To believe that there is no problem with what Plex created here with this feature is overlooking the obvious.

But its not, if Plex created this feature in coorporation with these cloud providers, which they have stated they did, the providers have obviously agreed upon the system that is Plex

And thus, no issue exists with its use

@Suspense said:

@SanchezHouse said:

@hthighway said:

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex.

First you are not uploading to Plex, you are uploading to the cloud provider and you have to determine on your own that the files you upload are in compliance with any TOS.

The take: API development is allowed by 3rd parties, but not to create application(s) that go against their Terms of Service.

Yes, development is allowed by 3rd parties, that was the point of my link and to counter your original claim that linking to cloud providers by 3rd party apps goes against their TOS

@hthighway -

To clarify by uploading, I meant when you match information from your movie files to Plex so it can be seen on your server. I understand fully you don’t upload to Plex.

If you read the API agreement and the TOS for Google Drive, you can make the conclusion that creating this feature can create conflicts for customers. To believe that there is no problem with what Plex created here with this feature is overlooking the obvious.

But its not, if Plex created this feature in coorporation with these cloud providers, which they have stated they did, the providers have obviously agreed upon the system that is Plex

And thus, no issue exists with its use

The fact that there is so much buzz around the feature, I believe people will practice the best judgment in either using it or not. Even the nature of privacy these days with cloud computing, it’s up to the people.

I have the same question. Looks like Plex gets access to everything on google drive or is it only a folder?

Are the storage partners also running the plex media servers?

There is a difference between something not being supported and being against policies. Even a lot of the support people don’t get that. The fact that they have a 3rd party API is pretty clear. Plus, I’m pretty sure Plex and had some kind of discussion with various cloud providers about this.

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex. Is it safe to assume that I own this copy and that it’s mine? No. I bought the Blu-Ray and the only use I am allowed to use with the Blu-Ray is to play it on a Blu-Ray player; not to rip it, upload on a personal server such as Plex, but it’s done because for now the content providers have not been as strong on companies like Plex who endorse this type of activity.

As long as said copy is for your personal use (and, technically, you aren’t breaking some encryption. Thanks DCMA), you are completely free to transfer between formats.

@Ledningen said:
Are the storage partners also running the plex media servers?

Currently the Plex Servers are running on MS Azure servers. Unless it’s changed of course

@counterfit said:

@SanchezHouse said:
For example, I have the Blu-Ray to The Accountant. I ripped a Blu-Ray of The Accountant. Now I want to upload this to Plex. Is it safe to assume that I own this copy and that it’s mine? No. I bought the Blu-Ray and the only use I am allowed to use with the Blu-Ray is to play it on a Blu-Ray player; not to rip it, upload on a personal server such as Plex, but it’s done because for now the content providers have not been as strong on companies like Plex who endorse this type of activity.

As long as said copy is for your personal use (and, technically, you aren’t breaking some encryption. Thanks DCMA), you are completely free to transfer between formats.

@counterfit -

These days, I would be careful. This is why there are always warnings and statements all over the Blu-ray in the first place. This is why studios create copies for digital and physical. If you want to have a copy to play on your Roku, you buy a copy on their FandangoNOW digital store. If you want to have a copy for iTunes, most blu-ray discs will come with a code to redeem so you have that authorized copy for that platform. The whole notion of taking your DVD and Blu Ray collection and make them digital without their consent is going to come to a close at some point.

Please, could you help me about that ? :

(I’ve already try many times to delete and create again, but same error)

Using a cloud service other than it is intended is not illegal. These people don’t make laws. They have certain rules. If they decide to enforce the rules as they see fit your account might be removed. Nothing legal or illegal about it.

Just my 0.02 cents…

The earlier “hashing” debate is moot, if you just re-encode it with handbrake or something…

Voici une petite astuce pour qui ne souhaite pas que le drive soit visible dans la totalité ( tiers personnes ou plex )

→ votre Google principale → faire vos dossiers FILMS , SÉRIES , MUSIQUES ect.
Clic sur les dossiers à Partager → donner lui une autres Adresse Gmail (ex: PARTAGE@GMAIL.COM ) même avec le Stockage de base (15 Go)

Allez sur le Gmail en question et clic sur le lien pour accepter le partage

VOILA il reste plus qu’a CLIC droit sur les dossiers partager


Il reste plus qu’a donner les répertoires à Plex Cloud

Avantage :

  1. Même si le répertoire fait 1000 Go le compte synchronisé avec PLEX CLOUD qui n’a que 15 Go ,ne sera pas impacté de sont espace disque

  2. Vous cumulé l’espace disque des deux comptes Google (1000+15 Go)

  3. Synchronisation automatique des 2 Drive

  4. Plex ne vois pas votre compte personnel