Plex Cloud questions

@robertclemens said:

@hthighway said:

@Massaguana said:
Okay, the Unlimited Amazon Drive comes without an lokal folder like dropbox… not possibble to map as lokal drive, no connection possible with this Tools like Transmit oder Cyberduck. The only way is the Amazon App

I use rclone.org

Can’t seem to visit the rclone.org website. Hopefully this is temporary. Can anyone confirm or deny an issue with rclone’s website?

I just tried it again and it worked fine

@hthighway said:

@l3uddz said:

@hthighway said:

@Massaguana said:
Okay, the Unlimited Amazon Drive comes without an lokal folder like dropbox… not possibble to map as lokal drive, no connection possible with this Tools like Transmit oder Cyberduck. The only way is the Amazon App

I use rclone.org

Great tool, do you encrypt your data? Uploaded over a terabyte today of my collection as a backup, then see this Plex Cloud lol.

Plex Cloud doesn’t support playback of encrypted media. So no.

Yeah I’m aware of that. Hopefully thats something that could be added in the future.

Has anyone received acceptance to their cloud account yet??

It would be great if Plex Pass users had a joint Plex Cloud / Amazon Storage account.

If we’re strictly talking about movies, I’m positive that multiple Plex Pass account holders have many of the same movies and therefore redundant files uploading to Amazon (forget for a moment the different file types like 1080P, 720P and so forth)

If we all shared 1 account, every Plex Pass member could be assigned a letter of the alphabet and are responsible for uploading media that starts with that particular letter. That way everyone contributes and is able to stream any movie that they want without redundant files lingering on Amazon.

I know, I know, kind of a Utopian society where it all comes together. But hey you gotta start somewhere.

I like the idea, but for me it looks like I would be using a whole bunch of bandwidth.

  1. Download TV show or Movie via torrent.
  2. Upload TV show or Movie to Amazon Drive.
  3. Download (stream) TV show or Movie to watch.

Now if I could just torrent and save the file to my Amazon Drive…

@jamieward said:
I like the idea, but for me it looks like I would be using a whole bunch of bandwidth.

  1. Download TV show or Movie via torrent.
  2. Upload TV show or Movie to Amazon Drive.
  3. Download (stream) TV show or Movie to watch.

Now if I could just torrent and save the file to my Amazon Drive…

Seedbox and acd_cli - Google is your friend!!

This sounds like an awesome product and I am glad to see it coming. It should make things much simpler for a lot of people. However…

This product may be a no-go for those of us, especially in the US, who have data caps on their internet connection. It would take me months to upload my data without breaking my cap, and even then I would have to be careful about how much I watched. Add to that Netflix, HBOGo, etc., it just isn’t an option.

nobody still managed access to cloud plex?

@phurren said:

@jamieward said:
I like the idea, but for me it looks like I would be using a whole bunch of bandwidth.

  1. Download TV show or Movie via torrent.
  2. Upload TV show or Movie to Amazon Drive.
  3. Download (stream) TV show or Movie to watch.

Now if I could just torrent and save the file to my Amazon Drive…

Seedbox and acd_cli - Google is your friend!!

.However i cannot recommend anyone does so without being able to PROVE you have the rights to use that media. A rough guide to using adc_cli

upload and download files to you Amazon Cloud Drive solution utilizing adc_cli a lightweight command-line client for Amazon Cloud Drive (ACD), allowing you to access ACD storage from the command line.
Login to** slot via ssh**
Below are detailed instruction and command that need to be run. Installation requires custom install of python with linked sql.
Run this commands one by one and be patient it takes time

wget http://www.sqlite.org/2016/sqlite-autoconf-3130000.tar.gz
tar xf sqlite-autoconf-3130000.tar.gz && rm sqlite-autoconf-3130000.tar.gz
cd sqlite-autoconf-3130000/
LDFLAGS=“-L${HOME}/opt/lib” CFLAGS=“-L${HOME}/opt/include” ./configure --prefix=$HOME/opt
make && make install && cd
mkdir -p ~/python/python3
wget -qO ~/python.tar.xz https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.5.0/Python-3.5.0.tar.xz
tar xf ~/python.tar.xz && cd ~/Python-3.5.0
LD_RUN_PATH=$HOME/opt/lib ./configure --prefix=$HOME/python/python3 LDFLAGS=“-L$HOME/opt/lib” CPPFLAGS=“-I$HOME/opt/include”
LD_RUN_PATH=$HOME/opt/lib make
make install
cd && rm -rf ~/python{-3.5.0,.tar.xz}
~/python/python3/bin/pip3 install --user --upgrade git+https://github.com/yadayada/acd_cli.git

One time authentication setup and database sync.
Before using acd_cli, you need to go through one-time authentication, where you authorize acd_cli to access your Amazon Cloud Drive account via OAuth.
.local/bin/acd_cli init

You have two options:
Login to https://tensile-runway-92512.appspot.com with Amazon credentials, follow prompts, at the end you will be presented with download “oauth_data” file. Save on your local hard drive and the ftp upload to your_user_directory .cache/acd_cli
Second option:
Follow prompts, fill out your amazon information, checkmark “always”. Navigate using arrow key. After all information filled go up to login and press enter or right arrow you will be presented with your token, csave the plaintext response data into a file called “oauth_data” in the directory “.cache/acd_cli/”
Now end amazon session by pressing “q”.

Before running any command with acd_cli, you need to sync its local cache with your Amazon Cloud Drive account. Run
.local/bin/acd_cli sync
This completes setup.

Using it. To see your Amazon Cloud Drive directory and usage:
.Local/bin/acd_cli usage

Result will be like that
Documents: 966, 1.2 GiB
Other: 10030, 6.8 TiB
Photos: 5651, 30.4 GiB
Videos: 3502, 1.2 TiB
Total: 20149, 8.1 TiB

To list files in a folder:
.local/bin/acd_cli ls /Videos

To upload folder to ACD
.local/bin/acd_cli upload -x 2 -r 4 --deduplicate ~/folder_to_upload/ /amazon_folder_destination/

-x MAX_CONNECTIONS, -r MAX_RETRIES
–deduplicate exclude duplicate files from upload, useful in case of errors. Only files with different checksum will be replaced.

I must be missing something obvious here since I don’t really get the raison d’être for plex Cloud, what would one use it for? So far as I can see it now it’s just for open source (home made) media? Since according to amazon it’s not for downloaded media, not that I would ever use PMS for such of course:

__1.2 Using Your Files with the Service. You may use the Service only to store, retrieve, manage, and access Your Files for personal, non-commercial purposes using the features and functionality we make available. You may not use the Service to store, transfer or distribute content of or on behalf of third parties, to operate your own file storage application or service, to operate a photography business or other commercial service, or to resell any part of the Service. You are solely responsible for Your Files and for complying with all applicable copyright and other laws, including import and export control laws and regulations, and with the terms of any licenses or agreements to which you are bound. You must ensure that Your Files are free from any malware, viruses, Trojan horses, spyware, worms, or other malicious or harmful code. __

nor for a porn collection or sharing media :slight_smile:

_1.3 Sharing Your Files. The Service may provide features that allow you to share Your Files with others. You may only share Your Files in which you have all necessary copyright and other rights. If you share a file, anyone with access to that file may view and download copies of the file. You are solely responsible for how you share Your Files and who may access Your Files that you share. You may not share files (a) that contain defamatory, threatening, abusive, pornographic, or otherwise objectionable material, (b) that advocate bigotry, hatred, or illegal discrimination, or (c) if sharing those files violates any law, any intellectual property, publicity, privacy, or other right of others, or any license or other agreement by which you are bound. _

nor for personal media like family photos or movies

_3.3 Our Use of Your Files to Provide the Service. We may use, access, and retain Your Files in order to provide the Service to you and enforce the terms of the Agreement, and you give us all permissions we need to do so. These permissions include, for example, the rights to copy Your Files for backup purposes, modify Your Files to enable access in different formats, use information about Your Files to organize them on your behalf, and access Your Files to provide technical support. Amazon respects your privacy and Your Files are subject to the Amazon.com Privacy Notice located at _

or am I seeing this wrong? Who would either store private family pics there or starwarsvii_1080p_yify_rip_amazon_please_don’t_tell_disney_it’s_here.mkv on there?

@stefanvanruiten said:
I must be missing something obvious here since I don’t really get the raison d’être for plex Cloud, what would one use it for? So far as I can see it now it’s just for open source (home made) media? Since according to amazon it’s not for downloaded media, not that I would ever use PMS for such of course:

__1.2 Using Your Files with the Service. You may use the Service only to store, retrieve, manage, and access Your Files for personal, non-commercial purposes using the features and functionality we make available. You may not use the Service to store, transfer or distribute content of or on behalf of third parties, to operate your own file storage application or service, to operate a photography business or other commercial service, or to resell any part of the Service. You are solely responsible for Your Files and for complying with all applicable copyright and other laws, including import and export control laws and regulations, and with the terms of any licenses or agreements to which you are bound. You must ensure that Your Files are free from any malware, viruses, Trojan horses, spyware, worms, or other malicious or harmful code. __

nor for a porn collection or sharing media :slight_smile:

_1.3 Sharing Your Files. The Service may provide features that allow you to share Your Files with others. You may only share Your Files in which you have all necessary copyright and other rights. If you share a file, anyone with access to that file may view and download copies of the file. You are solely responsible for how you share Your Files and who may access Your Files that you share. You may not share files (a) that contain defamatory, threatening, abusive, pornographic, or otherwise objectionable material, (b) that advocate bigotry, hatred, or illegal discrimination, or (c) if sharing those files violates any law, any intellectual property, publicity, privacy, or other right of others, or any license or other agreement by which you are bound. _

nor for personal media like family photos or movies

_3.3 Our Use of Your Files to Provide the Service. We may use, access, and retain Your Files in order to provide the Service to you and enforce the terms of the Agreement, and you give us all permissions we need to do so. These permissions include, for example, the rights to copy Your Files for backup purposes, modify Your Files to enable access in different formats, use information about Your Files to organize them on your behalf, and access Your Files to provide technical support. Amazon respects your privacy and Your Files are subject to the Amazon.com Privacy Notice located at _

or am I seeing this wrong? Who would either store private family pics there or starwarsvii_1080p_yify_rip_amazon_please_don’t_tell_disney_it’s_here.mkv on there?

Lots of people would, and do…

@hthighway said:

@Massaguana said:
Okay, the Unlimited Amazon Drive comes without an lokal folder like dropbox… not possibble to map as lokal drive, no connection possible with this Tools like Transmit oder Cyberduck. The only way is the Amazon App

I use rclone.org

good to know. thanks… but nothing for non Terminal Guru´s. An Desktop App wood be nice.

or am I seeing this wrong? Who would either store private family pics there or starwarsvii_1080p_yify_rip_amazon_please_don’t_tell_disney_it’s_here.mkv on there?

I totally agree with you that there is some huge question marks regarding the copyright issue (even if you legally own the content on a physical media).

By the way, renaming the file (illegal downloaded movie) will not help, usually the files are identified on the file hash value and that can only be changed by modifying the file itself (like remux the movie).

In general this will backfire at some point, don’t forget that Amazon is a video provider and content creator. Why would someone now have Netflix when a friend has a big PMS library and shares that with him/her for a fraction of the cost. $60 per month is much less then an annual netflix subscription and Plex cloud don’t give you limitations on how many devices it is used at the same time.

I have a very large local library, but I kept it only local (not sharing and no internet access to the PMS) for security reasons. If everything with plex cloud works as advertised, I wouldn’t mind to share my library with friends and family (make things more easier) since security isn’t an issue anymore and I honestly believe that I will not be the only to think like that…

I will test it with the 3 months trial account and the plex cloud beta, but I will atleast wait a year for some others to share their experience and see how this copyright issue might affect it, before I will start to switch over to the cloud…

@Massaguana said:
good to know. thanks… but nothing for non Terminal Guru´s. An Desktop App wood be nice.

https://www.odrive.com/ is suppose to be good as well and they have an desktop app for Win/OSX

OK either I missed it or it was not stated, but other than the cost of Amazon Drive will there be a cost to use Plex Cloud? I know there may not be specifics but knowing if there will be a charge for Plex Cloud or not if you are a Plex Pass member would be great.

@Wolfie02 said:
OK either I missed it or it was not stated, but other than the cost of Amazon Drive will there be a cost to use Plex Cloud? I know there may not be specifics but knowing if there will be a charge for Plex Cloud or not if you are a Plex Pass member would be great.

Beside the Amazon Cloud Drive subscription the only thing required is a PlexPass subscription

I’m totally confused about the bandwidth issue. If my files are stored on ACS, what does my home bandwidth have to do with it other than my own watching of the files? Right now I have five family members that stream from my library. I’m on Comcast and it can get a bit dicey (I so miss FIOS). I assumed storage on ACS meant that ACS is serving up the content to my users so my bandwidth seems irrelevant. What am I not understanding?

@Agrajag it’s more about the bandwidth to get TBs of data UP to amazon in the first place…metered along with your viewing habits etc…for those with large libraries, it’s an interesting issue

@Agrajag said:
I’m totally confused about the bandwidth issue. If my files are stored on ACS, what does my home bandwidth have to do with it other than my own watching of the files? Right now I have five family members that stream from my library. I’m on Comcast and it can get a bit dicey (I so miss FIOS). I assumed storage on ACS meant that ACS is serving up the content to my users so my bandwidth seems irrelevant. What am I not understanding?

Your bandwidth comes into play when you are uploading the files to ACD.
Then when and if you want to watch the media stored there your bandwidth is used as well as it is stream to you, like any other online source.

Now if you share the Cloud server with family, none of your bandwidth is used

Surely storing on the cloud with many users in the same home will be problematic as you will be very limited by your download bandwidth. In a multiuser set up (using the same connection), you should be using local storage as the internet bandwidth will be a limiting factor.

This cloud is a great idea in principal, but just doesn’t sound practical. Now if the cloud PMS has amazing transcoding ability it could be different… that may be a game changer.