Not familiar with too many plex staff off the top of my head. @ChuckPa (dev) might know he deals with the pms server side stuff. Sorry if tagging you is against a rule.
Why are you still here in the forums? A month ago you said the final straw was getting rid of watch together. If you have serious issues, and it seems like you do, then why hang around the forums of the thing you say youâre done with? Go to another service and be happy.
Sure this thread has over 10k views, but only 93 have even bothered to say anything. A lot of complaints are coming from people who dont have passes so its safe to say the main issue is they dont want to pay. I get it. Go ahead and say how upset you are, and that your leaving, and then leave. Go find something that you enjoy. Go support Jellyfin or whatever and move on. Get out of the ecosystem that you dont find any joy in.
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Hi. I read through the âPlex Updateâ-post and could not see any mentioning of Plex Amp. Do these changes apply to Plex Amp as well?
From the blog postâs FAQ section:
Does this affect content from music and photo libraries?
The announced changes for remote streaming of personal content from a Plex Media Server apply only to movie/TV/video media. This does not affect music or photo streaming to our dedicated Plexamp and Plex Photos apps.
The changes are confusing for anyone who used Plex without a subscription. They could have added specific examples in the extended FAQ, but chose not to. We both know the majority of questions could be answered by adding âI donât live with my siblings, but they watch content from my Plex server, how does this affect them?â. They didnât, we all know why, and thatâs a sign maybe additional monetization should have been implemented in a different way.
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This change is incredibly disappointing and makes very little sense considering remote play uses direct connection. Seeing employees respond to criticisms with leaking user information is also disappointing and honestly a little worrying. I have been using plex on and off for the better part of a decade and will be migrating to Jellyfin when Iâm back home. Thanks for all the good years Plex. Was willing to put up with all the stupid streaming service stuff but this is too much. Sad.
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But they had to buy that DVD player, else the pile of DVDs are just coasters. So in your analogy, would the money going to plex, be the âdvd playerâ cost? Even if you lent your friend the DVD player also, someone had to buy it (PMS server plexpass, or remote pass)
@tenz I see where you are trying to go with this, but my analogy is the fact we both already own the DVD players, or you could liken it to, we both already own the smart device (TV or connected device) and Plex has never charged for an app on a âsmartâ viewing device, such as a TV or using a Web Browse so where is this imaginary âDVD Playerâ cost coming from?
Youâre now trying to âback dateâ my analogy to fit your side of this debate. Why on earth would I lend my DVD to someone who didnât have a means to watch it?
I do understand (to a point) why people feel the need to back Plex, as a company, for going after some people who are doing their utmost to bypass all forms of fiscal responsibility to using Plexâs program, but I paid for my Plex Pass years ago to support the company and find it more and more annoying that Plex has decided to push more into being a âsocial media hubâ company and not what I paid for, a server program for my media (something I should be able to share at my discretion, not theirs).
And before you come in with the âThen why are you complaining if you have a Plex Pass, it doesnât effect you?â I had to come here to get clarification, because I read the blog post and to me it sounded like my friends were going to have to start paying a subscription to view my media. But to be honest, Iâm not feeling too confident in where Plex is going with this kind of change in the long run.
The Tag Line from Plex.tv 2018 when I bought my Plex PassâŚ
Plex is like mission control for your personal media collections
The Tag Line from Plex.tv nowâŚ
Weâre on a mission to create a global community where everyone can discover, experience, and share all of the entertainment that matters to them.
The new statement says nothing about my media anymore, itâs kind of disheartening .
As Iâve said before, it seems ironic that I can be band for charging a fee to friends and family (to me could be the same argument being used for upkeep on my server to Plexâs new Remote Watch Pass is for maintenance on the future coding and development, but I wouldnât charge because like DVDâs/VCR Tapes/Cdâs I would happily lend), to view my media on a product I have already paid for, but the company who made the product can do just that, charge people to view my media.
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Itâs effectively a software feature license. Yes, itâs tied to a feature that many people think should be free. Iâm suggesting you overlook that, and if you are OK with them raising the price of the product, just treat it as such. The end result is the same, at least for customers who use this feature. Or are you saying it would have been better to raise the price of the product for everyone, whether they use remote streaming or not?
I have, and as you suggest, not everything gets addressed in a timely manner (and perhaps never). But Iâve also had bugs get fixed, and sometimes more quickly than I expected. With JF you are likely to be told to become a development contributor so you can fix it yourself.
But youâre using their product to do that. The product is not free.
I have lots of paid software products running on my PC. Should I expect to use those products for free because theyâre running on my PC, and using my internet service?
Iâm stepping in on your message. You paid to support Plex, thatâs great! I did too, because letâs be honest, the Plex Pass doesnât bring much on its ownâŚ
But regarding the question about the Plex (server) user base: how many do you think did the same as you?
From my point of view, the ratio between paying users and âleechesâ is not balanced at all. And to me, thatâs the core issue. Plex is a business: if we want bugs to be fixed and new features to be developed, we need to pay the people who will do itâŚ
Itâs simple:
⢠When something is free with ads, you are the product (especially if thereâs no built-in monetization system).
⢠When itâs based on voluntary contributions, either enough people pitch in so that some can benefit from it for free, or it canât remain free.
⢠When something is paid from the start, people donât question it.
Here, weâre in the second case: there are more âleechâ users who donât contribute at all, so obviously, Plex is tightening its policies⌠Thatâs only logical, nothing shocking about it.
And for the most part, itâs these same âleechâ usersâoutraged and stubbornâwho are now crying about it. But if weâre at this point, itâs their fault!
Let them go and leech off Jellyfin, which probably has a donation system⌠that theyâll never use anyway.
With the new rule, you have a server, and you want to share it externally? You get a Plex Pass, period. That way, your users can continue accessing it for free.
I understand Plexâs decision, and it makes sense. However, if they tighten the rules even further in the future, then it will be a different story.
But for now, nothing shocking.
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Using your own reverse proxy isnât relying on their servers either, yet they will still limit that 
Wrong! To log into Plex, you use their SSO!
Itâs their choice, sure, but thatâs what allows you to connect to Plex easily.
Then, thereâs the option to go through their servers when you canât open ports or use a reverse proxy!
And the forum where youâre complaining? That has to be paid for too!
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I am saying that they are constantly removing features, and now they are paywalling a feature that doesnât cost them a dime. I have paid for Plex pass before, but itâs not worth it, since there are barely any features in it. They arenât making new features and fixing bugs, they are removing features and making more bugs, making the experience worse. Their increased revenue by this wonât go towards making a better experience, itâs just to pocket more money and make â â â â â â features that investors want.
You donât think you and those sharing your media collection fit into that broader set of people? They say everyone ⌠can share all the entertainment that matters to them. How to you interpret that to mean a smaller community of users than the earlier tag line?
And every time the question comes up, Plex always say they have no intention of abandoning personal media. Sure, we could all wake up some day and find out thatâs no longer true, but I have seen no actual evidence of that happening or being the plan. Iâll be screaming as loudly as anyone if that does happen some day, but Iâm not going to wring my hands about something it until I see it actually happening.
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What you are saying is stupid, the product is free. The feature they are paywalling doesnât cost them a cent, so the cause is not to cover their remote streaming fees..
Yeah, and your point? You use their auth system when local streaming too, yet local streaming is free..
Honestly, Iâve been reading your messages for a while now, and Iâm⌠how should I put it⌠baffled.
Thereâs no logic. Youâre stubborn, incapable of accepting any opinion that differs from yours. Itâs frighteningâŚ
You paid for a Plex Pass⌠I assume you got a refund?
The Plex Pass doesnât offer much, Iâll admit that. Itâs mostly a way to contribute.
You want improvements and bug fixes⌠but why pay, right? Thatâs exactly the core issue.
But anyway, go to Jellyfin, go ahead! 
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Anyway, Iâm stopping here, this is pointless. Good luck to the admins, and good luck to those who have common sense.
And have a good evening/day, everyone!
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