Upgrading my Synology, finding limited options

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I am ready to upgrade my old Synology DS415+, but the available options aren’t giving me that warm and fuzzy. The 923+ would have been my first choice, as I love the DSM OS and Synology ecosystem, but it doesn’t have a GPU and I’m pretty sure I need transcoding. On that note, is it possible to setup some kind of automated conversion of video files when they are downloaded, so I won’t need transcoding?

I’ve looked at the Asustor Lockerstor 4 Gen 2, but I’m nervous about their security issues - does anyone know if those have been definitively resolved? I’d explore getting a NUC or building my own, but I’d love to avoid all that learning and trial and error if possible and just get something that I know and understand.

Any advice? Plex is by far the most used application on my NAS, so it’s critical that it works well for me with whichever solution I end up buying. Thanks!

I am a big fan of separating the NAS and media server duties.

A relatively inexpensive Intel machine makes a great Plex server, much more powerful than anything you’d get out of a Synology even if they still supported Quick Sync transcoding. Background tasks? Hah! No such thing for me, all kinds of scans run all the time when there is power on tap!

To really get the most out of a dedicated server, you would want to run PMS under Linux (for hardware accelerated tone mapping). That might take some study time, but if you are a heavy Plex user I think you would be really happy with the end result.

I know this isn’t the answer you wanted… But I think it’s the best answer.

If you have access to any spare PC hardware, almost any kind of junk, you can even try setting up a Linux server to see how it goes. If you find it isn’t that bad then maybe buying hardware for Plex would be a good idea.

A middle ground is Unraid, which lets you build your own PC with a Synology-like OS. It would be much easier to administer than a raw Linux box, but not as easy overall as a Syno with DSM.

Thank you for the detailed response! Could I get something like a NUC box for the media server? I ran a flavor of linux for several years around 10 years ago and was mostly happy, other than occasionally getting massive log files that crashed the system. A couple limitations for me - I rent my house, and can’t run ethernet throughout, so I have my current SYNO box next to my router in the living room, plugged directly into it. This solution would require that I now have two boxes, which isn’t ideal, but I think I could make it work.

Would I then store all of my media on the NAS (I suppose I could just my current DS415+ for that) and access the media from the media server? Or would I want to get a new NAS that can stream media quickly from one to the other?

Finally, if I wanted an OS that I am much more familiar with, could I run the media server through a Windows machine?

I don’t mind a little studying to get things working properly, but I want to get it working and then not have to worry about it for the most part, other than some occasional maintenance.

Thanks again!

Happy to help.

I am sure other opinions will be along soon!

Yes, that would be fine. But there are cheaper options, too. What you really need is just this: a semi-modern Intel CPU with a GPU supporting Quick Sync, a couple of DIMM slots, a good network port, and a comfortable amount of storage. A modern NUC is one way to do that but there are a lot of small form factor PCs. Or, bigger PCs are fine too if you get a deal and have a place to put it.

In my opinion there is one major decision point when looking at new Plex hardware, assuming you are going to be relying on Quick Sync. Either you look for a bargain priced system using yesterday’s GPUs (e.g. UHD 630) OR you go for a much more modern chip with the new generation Iris GPU.

The new GPUs are faster and supposedly look better when transcoding/tone mapping but the previous few generations are also generally thought to be fine. But since a new server might be something you have for many years, perhaps it’s worth getting something that isn’t already getting a little old. The Iris GPUs support more formats which may pay off down the road.

FWIW my server is an i5-10400 (UHD 630) and it’s a very comfortable amount of power. What is comfortable depends on your usage though, it’s tricky.

With your prior experience I bet you would have no problem installing a modern version of Ubuntu and PMS. It’s very trouble-free. Once in a while I log in and issue a couple of commands to update the OS and PMS at the same time. That’s it. That’s all I ever need to do.

Your existing NAS is easily good enough to serve media files to a Plex server. You’d just set up SMB or NFS shares, and mount them to the Plex server. There is no need to replace the Syno unless you want to for other reasons. (My 1813+ is still going strong.)

Yes. However Quick Sync under Windows will transcode (resolution change) but not tone map (HDR to SDR). To get total hardware acceleration under Windows you need an Nvidia GPU. Don’t quote me but I think it needs to be a 1050 or later? Someone here will know.

Being both a Win and Linux AND BSD guy, I think that goal is actually more easily met under Ubuntu than Windows. But this isn’t the place for religious arguments.

If you get a server which allows you to easily change the boot drive, you can always start under Windows… And then when you want to mess around, pop in a different SSD and start working on a Linux build. That way you can figure it out with no pressure, if you ever decide you want to try it out.

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Awesome, this is HUGELY helpful! Thanks again!

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GT1050 or later :white_check_mark:

Official Nvidia driver support is your guide

I’ve a very similar setup to @BanzaiInstitute. Plex Media Server runs on a small Lenovo M90q with an i5-10500T running Ubuntu 22.04 desktop. My media is on a DS918+. The whole setup is very solid. Can’t remember the last time I had a problem with it.

To add to @ChuckPa, if you roll with Nvidia graphics, check out info from Elpamsoft. It has some transcoding performance information for various Nvidia GPUs. Pay attention to the amount of VRAM, which basically means avoiding 2 GB and 3 GB cards if transcoding 4K HDR media.

https://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding

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All great advice, thank you!!

I’m looking at this NUC, and installing Ubuntu or Debian. Then I might just update the hard drives in my old NAS to add some capacity and speed.

BTW, I understand I can throw together a very capable media server with spare parts, but form factor is an issue for me, as I don’t have much space, and would love to have something the size of a NUC, so might as well get a NUC.

Thoughts?

It should work quite nicely.

The i5-12450H has Intel UHD graphics. Run Linux and you can transcode and tone map 4K HDR if needed.

If size is vital that Beelink should make a nice server. I had to dig around the specs since the product page doesn’t show all the ports, but it seems to have everything you need, and storage/memory is upgradeable. Price seems reasonable. Tons of power for Plex and lots of other things at the same time.

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Awesome, I have a path forward. Thanks again everyone!

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Should I be looking for a NUC with 2.5G LAN, or is 1G fine for Plex? Also, Is Intel UHD better than Iris XE? Thanks guys!

Just looking at Plex, 1 Gbps Ethernet is fine for the vast majority of users.

If the system has a 2.5 Gbps interface, you would also need a 2.5 Gbps capable switch, NAS, etc to take advantage of it.

Basically, if the system has a 2.5 Gbps interface, then OK, but do not consider it a requirement.

Some “back of the envelope” bandwidth calculations:

The highest bitrate movie I’ve seen is the 4K HDR 60fps version of Gemini Man. It runs at 100 - 110 Mbps. My other 4K HDR movies run anywhere from 40 Mbps to 80 Mbps, with the higher bitrate movies occasionally bursting over 100 Mbps. 1080p Blu-ray rips max out at ~40 - 45 Mbps.

It would require several simultaneous streams of those movies to saturate a 1 Gbps LAN.

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Thank you. I also found out that Iris XE is preferable over UHD, all things being equal.

If the cost was small I would definitely prefer 2.5 G… But that is more because I know a little computer like that is going to be with me for many years, and I like to future-proof things. But as @FordGuy61 said, it’s hard to imagine Plex actually needing more than 1 Gbps.

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If you prepare large files regularly on a different machine, 2.5 GB Ethernet is such a nice quality of life improvement.
Provided your hard drives can sustain such data rates, particularly when writing.
Otherwise prepare to upgrade the RAM as well, so you have a larger file cache.

I got my NUC, installed Docker, installed Plex, and that’s working relatively good. The only issue I have is that the remote access goes in and out. I have set a static port, which helps, but when I go to that setting it always says not accessible, and then when I click the retry button it says fully accessible. Not sure how to fix that…

The major issue I have is that I have installed all of my ARR apps (Sonarr, Radarr, etc) in Docker using Portainer, and when I try to access them I get a 500 error for every one of them. No idea why, and I haven’t had any luck getting help from anyone in Docker forums. If anyone has any idea what could be causing this, please let me know! I have set the ports to different ports than my Synology uses for the same apps…

Thanks!

The remote access indicator light inside Plex is poorly implemented. Look up a port forwarding checker tool online.

I did forward the ports, but I’ll look for a port forwarding checker.

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