why all of the arrogant responses?

Hi. I am a newbie here, but reviewing senior community responses and the arrogance towards newbie paying members, I am not sure this product is worth the $ when questions being asked receive arrogant responses. The responses are “PLEX is what it is and if you don’t like it (thank you arrogant senior responders) go somewhere else.”

I have only been here 1 day…amazing.

I was just told there is no PDF file of all 251 articles and that its unknown if all 251 articles have ever been read by one person.

Really?!

Complicated deployment processes, arrogant responses, a lack of access to a step-by-step setup guide, a lack of deployment flexibility and up-front-payment for service with no actual real-time chat or phone technical support is making this service questionable to me.

Me? I am a simple person, only had this program since Sunday, am computer savvy (database as well), know arrogance when I read it, know when I read a complete lack of customer service skills when providing support to a paying customer.

As I have read (repeatedly) your millions of users have no problem accepting required processes … many of us newbies have been/are using a variety of methods/applications since we never heard of you until recently.

I haven’t really yet been impressed with your product and am certainly not impressed with arrogant users. You were recommended, not something I found in my own research…

Straighten your ship.
ttrenchj

I’ve reviewed the responses you received, and see nothing arrogant about them. You were given direct, accurate answers in both cases.

You were indeed told that there is no PDF file of all 251 articles. You were also given a reason why it would be impractical to do so. As features change, Help pages (theoretically) change along with them. A monolithic PDF file produced today could be outdated by next week. It really doesn’t make much sense to gather them into a single mass when the most up-to-date versions are freely available on the website (including step-by-step setup guides).

Plex is free. The paid Plex Pass gives you access to a few additional features, early access to new builds, and some other perks, but you can set up a server and client and be streaming data in a matter of minutes. I’ve set up Plex, starting from scratch, several times. I can’t imagine what you are referring to by “complicated deployment processes.”

@ttrenchj2 said:
I was just told there is no PDF file of all 251 articles and that its unknown if all 251 articles have ever been read by one person.

Really?!

Hey, that was me. I apologize if I came across as arrogant. It was definitely not what I intended. I actually like the idea of you wanting to read the manual, as most people seem allergic to them.

Complicated deployment processes

Can you explain what you mean?

arrogant responses

Sorry again for my earlier comments.

a lack of access to a step-by-step setup guide

We do offer this guide https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200264746. We also have a youtube channel with videos that explain some of the Plex features, https://www.youtube.com/user/plextvapp.

a lack of deployment flexibility

Not sure what you mean. Can you explain?

up-front-payment for service with no actual real-time chat or phone technical support is making this service questionable to me.

There are no up-front-payments. You can use Plex for free without ever having to pay anything. Our mobile apps can also be used in a trial made before committing to purchasing the app. You only need to pay for a Plex Pass if you want to have those extra features. We do not offer a trial of the Plex Pass, so you are correct if this was what you are referring to. As far as real-time chat, Plex is still a relatively small company and we just do not have the man power to be able to offer this. If we tried, the wait times would probably be very, very long.

I was just told there is no PDF file of all 251 articles and that its unknown if all 251 articles have ever been read by one person.

No, @“MovieFan.Plex” said he hasn’t read all 251 articles. At no time did he ever say it was unknown if anyone has ever read them all. Here is his response to your question if there was a PDF of all the help items: “Sorry, but no. The support articles were designed to be read online, so we have not compiled them into 1 PDF. I commend you for wanting to read the entire manual. I don’t think I’ve read all 251 articles.”

Complicated deployment processes, arrogant responses, a lack of access to a step-by-step setup guide, a lack of deployment flexibility and up-front-payment for service with no actual real-time chat or phone technical support is making this service questionable to me.

The FAQ is straightforward and clearly explains system requirements and how to install and configure Plex Server.

Me? I am a simple person, only had this program since Sunday, am computer savvy (database as well), know arrogance when I read it, know when I read a complete lack of customer service skills when providing support to a paying customer.

I haven’t really yet been impressed with your product and am certainly not impressed with arrogant users. You were recommended, not something I found in my own research…

What I see from this post is a very arrogant user. To quote you, “tighten your ship.”

LOL
Perfect example of what I have been talking about.
This is exactly why Plex will not survive.
Not everyone want’s to be a User Group Member or to play in a Sandbox.
They mostly just want reasonable access to Customer Support.

Not lip service from very Tech Types.

If Plex wants to be a serious player in this market, They DO need to “Tighten Their Ship”

I have been using Plex for a couple of years for free. I only recently purchased the Plex Pass for 2 simple reasons, 1) Ability to sync and have my content on my phone when I travel, and 2) to create Plex Mixes so I no longer need iTunes.

I found the online manual helpful, the employees responsive and helpful to my 2 questions, and the product stable and easy to setup and use. I feel I get what I pay for and it is a modest cost at that.

I like the product and how it works across so many platforms. Kinda reminds me of the Apple v IBM wars of the 80’s and 90’s. Apple kept hardware and software under its control and it works great. But it is expensive. Plex could have required you to buy its hardware product, and it would probably have worked great also but at a cost. IBM licensed its technology, competition created many manufacturer’s of hardware and software, prices were much less than Apple, but many problems getting hardware to work on a computer. It started getting better with Windows 95, at least the concept of plug and play sometimes worked. So Plex went that route, a flexible product that works on hugely divergent hardware platforms. It mostly works and is getting better each month.

I have been on different forums over the decades and this forum is not much different. Some people are helpful, some try to be helpful, some are not very helpful, and some are down right mean.

A happy life is less about what happens around you and more about your attitude towards those surroundings. Sorry to wax philosophically.

@jjrjr1 said:
LOL
Perfect example of what I have been talking about.
This is exactly why Plex will not survive.
Not everyone want’s to be a User Group Member or to play in a Sandbox.
They mostly just want reasonable access to Customer Support.

Not lip service from very Tech Types.

If Plex wants to be a serious player in this market, They DO need to “Tighten Their Ship”

Wow. I’m not exactly sure why you would say that Plex will not survive. I hope that you were just being sarcastic

As a Users Group, I agree,
This forum is full of very knowledgeable, friendly and extremely helpful folks.
There are a few exceptions to this, But that is the case will ALL User Group Open forums…

However, Plex want’s to become a much bigger company than they are now and would like to be a more mainstream accepted product, I would suspect.

A mission critical function such as Customer Support should NOT be left to a User Community with a few forum moderators (Ninjas and a random employees) popping in and out merely at random.

This, I Hope Not, will be the undoing of Plex if not corrected soon.

@beckfield said:
I’ve reviewed the responses you received, and see nothing arrogant about them. You were given direct, accurate answers in both cases.

You were indeed told that there is no PDF file of all 251 articles. You were also given a reason why it would be impractical to do so. As features change, Help pages (theoretically) change along with them. A monolithic PDF file produced today could be outdated by next week. It really doesn’t make much sense to gather them into a single mass when the most up-to-date versions are freely available on the website (including step-by-step setup guides).

Plex is free. The paid Plex Pass gives you access to a few additional features, early access to new builds, and some other perks, but you can set up a server and client and be streaming data in a matter of minutes. I’ve set up Plex, starting from scratch, several times. I can’t imagine what you are referring to by “complicated deployment processes.”

@beckfield:

  1. Plex is not free. I had to sign up for either monthly, yearly, or ‘lifetime’ in order to operate…sorry, but true.
  2. Are you familiar with the occupation known as ‘Configuration and Data Manager’? If not, you should research in order to understand why I find your response regarding the PDF as arrogant (‘monolithic’, ‘outdated’). While your https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/sections/200056078-Quick-Start-Guide “step-by-step setup guides” is a valid start-point, I reiterate “many of us newbies have been/are using a variety of methods/applications since we never heard of you until recently.” Us newbies are only trying to fit all of the work we had already performed using another platform into this new ‘box’ product in hopes of using a more flexible environment of watching and sharing.
  3. While it is impressive you have "set up Plex, starting from scratch, several times. I can’t imagine what you are referring to by “complicated deployment processes,” the many capabilities identified in the Plex Support page takes much more reading (and playing around) to access these and learn to deploy these more robust capabilities.
  4. Us newbies aren’t interested in becoming software programmers/code writers. The PLEX resource has potential for being a top-line application, but it is folks like you with a very closed mindset that promote newbies to cancel their paid subscription and look to alternative resources (PLEX is not the only fish in the pond).

I haven’t really yet been impressed with your product and am certainly not impressed with arrogant users. You were recommended, not something I found in my own research…

I reiterate, straighten your ship. I am a paying customer for the PLEX service and I do not appreciate the prevalent arrogant attitude found in these forums. Recognize your customer base; we are not stupid and I expect most of us newbies are not youngsters.
ttrenchj

@MovieFan.Plex said:

@ttrenchj2 said:
I was just told there is no PDF file of all 251 articles and that its unknown if all 251 articles have ever been read by one person.

Really?!

Hey, that was me. I apologize if I came across as arrogant. It was definitely not what I intended. I actually like the idea of you wanting to read the manual, as most people seem allergic to them.

Complicated deployment processes

Can you explain what you mean?

arrogant responses

Sorry again for my earlier comments.

a lack of access to a step-by-step setup guide

We do offer this guide https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200264746. We also have a youtube channel with videos that explain some of the Plex features, https://www.youtube.com/user/plextvapp.

a lack of deployment flexibility

Not sure what you mean. Can you explain?

up-front-payment for service with no actual real-time chat or phone technical support is making this service questionable to me.

There are no up-front-payments. You can use Plex for free without ever having to pay anything. Our mobile apps can also be used in a trial made before committing to purchasing the app. You only need to pay for a Plex Pass if you want to have those extra features. We do not offer a trial of the Plex Pass, so you are correct if this was what you are referring to. As far as real-time chat, Plex is still a relatively small company and we just do not have the man power to be able to offer this. If we tried, the wait times would probably be very, very long.

@MovieFan.Plex,

Actually, you were not the arrogance I’ve found here. Your responses were respectful and open.

Please do not lose that open respectful attitude.

Sincerely,
ttrenchj

@kegobeer-plex said:

I was just told there is no PDF file of all 251 articles and that its unknown if all 251 articles have ever been read by one person.

No, @“MovieFan.Plex” said he hasn’t read all 251 articles. At no time did he ever say it was unknown if anyone has ever read them all. Here is his response to your question if there was a PDF of all the help items: “Sorry, but no. The support articles were designed to be read online, so we have not compiled them into 1 PDF. I commend you for wanting to read the entire manual. I don’t think I’ve read all 251 articles.”

Complicated deployment processes, arrogant responses, a lack of access to a step-by-step setup guide, a lack of deployment flexibility and up-front-payment for service with no actual real-time chat or phone technical support is making this service questionable to me.

The FAQ is straightforward and clearly explains system requirements and how to install and configure Plex Server.

Me? I am a simple person, only had this program since Sunday, am computer savvy (database as well), know arrogance when I read it, know when I read a complete lack of customer service skills when providing support to a paying customer.

I haven’t really yet been impressed with your product and am certainly not impressed with arrogant users. You were recommended, not something I found in my own research…

What I see from this post is a very arrogant user. To quote you, “tighten your ship.”

@kegobeer-plex,
Please refrain from representing PLEX while drinking.
ttrenchj

@ttrenchj2
I could not agree with you more and I have observed this issue as a problem for Plex and also brought it to their attention.

Like how they listen to their customers, my concerns have gone ignored and un-heeded.

Until Plex grows up and starts conducting business like a professional software company, they are at risk of getting eclipsed by folks that DO know how to run a software company…

I will be sad the day that happens since Plex COULD be the shining jewel in this market space if they want to.

@ttrenchj2 said:

  1. Plex is not free. I had to sign up for either monthly, yearly, or ‘lifetime’ in order to operate…sorry, but true.

There is no requirement to sign up to Plex Pass. The server software can be setup and run entirely for free (with external access). There are also free clients, such as Plex Media Player, that will allow you to play your media from the server.

There are some clients that are paid (mobile apps generally). Plex Pass gets you further features such as access to beta releases of PMS and mobile sync. This stuff is by no means required and there are many (I’d even say the majority) that use PMS completely free.

@phillid2 said:
I have been using Plex for a couple of years for free. I only recently purchased the Plex Pass for 2 simple reasons, 1) Ability to sync and have my content on my phone when I travel, and 2) to create Plex Mixes so I no longer need iTunes.

I found the online manual helpful, the employees responsive and helpful to my 2 questions, and the product stable and easy to setup and use. I feel I get what I pay for and it is a modest cost at that.

I like the product and how it works across so many platforms. Kinda reminds me of the Apple v IBM wars of the 80’s and 90’s. Apple kept hardware and software under its control and it works great. But it is expensive. Plex could have required you to buy its hardware product, and it would probably have worked great also but at a cost. IBM licensed its technology, competition created many manufacturer’s of hardware and software, prices were much less than Apple, but many problems getting hardware to work on a computer. It started getting better with Windows 95, at least the concept of plug and play sometimes worked. So Plex went that route, a flexible product that works on hugely divergent hardware platforms. It mostly works and is getting better each month.

I have been on different forums over the decades and this forum is not much different. Some people are helpful, some try to be helpful, some are not very helpful, and some are down right mean.

A happy life is less about what happens around you and more about your attitude towards those surroundings. Sorry to wax philosophically.

@phillid2
I have to respond…in reverse order:

I have no attitude about surroundings. I don’t know any person here. “I haven’t really yet been impressed with the product and am certainly not impressed with arrogant responders. PLEX was recommended, not something I found in my own research.”

You can see my responses to @beckfield, @kegobeer-plex, and MovieFan.Plex.

Forums:
…are acceptable when the community is self regulating with respect to arrogance when representing a company. A company with a forum and no direct company employed support access (you can’t have ‘millions’ of users and ‘we are a very small company’ statements in the same forum) is just trouble customers will see.

Platforms:
…waxing philosophic with respect to product flexibility is no excuse for arrogant proponents of the PLEX company telling newbies (many of us newbies have been/are using a variety of methods/applications since we never heard of you until recently." Us newbies are only trying to fit all of the work we had already performed using another platform into this new ‘box’ product in hopes of using a more flexible environment of watching and sharing) we really don’t have any patience for your concerns…use or product or don’t…we don’t care.

Overall (“online manual helpful, the employees responsive and helpful to my 2 questions, and the product stable and easy to setup and use. I have been using Plex for a couple of years for free. I only recently purchased the Plex Pass for 2 simple reasons, 1) Ability to sync and have my content on my phone when I travel, and 2) to create Plex Mixes so I no longer need iTunes”):
…I am glad you are satisfied with the PLEX product; sincerely. My experience has been completely the opposite (with the exception of @MovieFan.Plex). I have already invested a number of years in developing my database content (began with Windows Explorer file management, various media managers (MS Access database) up through eXtreme Media Manager 9 (XMM) to acquire meta data from easily accessible resources (that I now can’t use), can’t share across my wifi accessible ‘server’ even to my immediate apartment neighbor (my mother), let alone access from my Western Digital MyCloud (even through my SlingBox) to my iPad Pro over 4G network through my wireless DSL service…

…you get my point. It is likely most of the processes to my above problems are in the 251 articles, but made difficult to find as the search capability (I have tried) is poorly executed and, with the arrogant responses to my own as well as reading other discussion topics, leaves much to be desired in even asking a question.

I do appreciate your focus on calming the issue, but, as a paying customer, I do not appreciate arrogance in responding to my or any other forum questions that I have read.

Wishing you continued enjoyment in your use of the PLEX product.
ttrenchj

@adamskoog said:

@ttrenchj2 said:

  1. Plex is not free. I had to sign up for either monthly, yearly, or ‘lifetime’ in order to operate…sorry, but true.

There is no requirement to sign up to Plex Pass. The server software can be setup and run entirely for free (with external access). There are also free clients, such as Plex Media Player, that will allow you to play your media from the server.

There are some clients that are paid (mobile apps generally). Plex Pass gets you further features such as access to beta releases of PMS and mobile sync. This stuff is by no means required and there are many (I’d even say the majority) that use PMS completely free.

@adamskoog
I have to respectfully disagree. In order for me to establish a PLEX Server on my computer I had to select a choice of monthly, yearly, or ‘lifetime’ (each with a cost identified) service. I searched my entire screen to find any button that would allow me free access before having to finally select one of the three options.

You almost read like an actual company employed representative. If you are, you might want to notify your superior the concept of a ‘Forum’ community (without having an actual direct company employee support service) needs a much closer look with respect to customer service relation.

ttrenchj

When you landed on the website you were presented with an option to get a Plex Pass if you choose to. You dismiss those options by click on the X on the top right which is one of the standard ways to close a window.

To be clear the user MovieFan.Plex who originally responded to you is a Plex employee as indicated by the words Employee next to his username. Mine has it as well. All employees or volunteer moderators (Ninjas) such as adamskoog will have a different highlight on the heading of their posts.

Maybe an extra “special” plex-pass with support hours / contactable by phone / SLA … would make them happy? Building out this kind of support team adds a massive amount of cost to a business.

I am sure many who are comfortable and can ‘figure things out’ will not desire subsidizing any users with '“special needs” however. Myself included.

If you just got the PP in the last day or so and did not want it then contact billing and they will take care of you https://www.plex.tv/contact/?option=plex-pass-billing

@BigWheel said:
When you landed on the website you were presented with an option to get a Plex Pass if you choose to. You dismiss those options by click on the X on the top right which is one of the standard ways to close a window.
It’s not the most intuitive thing, specially compared with other products and their installers where clicking X will cancel the installation process, a “big orange” button saying “continue without plex pass” would be preferrable.

P.S. - Usually I don’t intervene on this type of threads, and often I don’t even read them, only have done that to make the above suggestion.

@moody_blue said:

@BigWheel said:
When you landed on the website you were presented with an option to get a Plex Pass if you choose to. You dismiss those options by click on the X on the top right which is one of the standard ways to close a window.
It’s not the most intuitive thing, specially compared with other products and their installers where clicking X will cancel the installation process, a “big orange” button saying “continue without plex pass” would be preferrable.

P.S. - Usually I don’t intervene on this type of threads, and often I don’t even read them, only have done that to make the above suggestion.

Fair enough, I will make the suggestion to the folks who design the pages. ( can’t make any promises though )