Apple Player Update Beta Testing

Yes. The latest remote with hard buttons works, but it’s impossible to seek on the previous all-touch remotes.

It has also ruined scrubbing: It immediately jumps locations when you scrub. You can’t see where you started from, and you can’t cancel or escape the scrub. The previous player (and I think every other player) shows a pip where you started, and allows cancelling the scrub.

I’m seeing slightly different behavior with my all-touch Siri remote.

  • If I just tap left or right on the surface, without “clicking,” it does the normal seek.
  • If I click left or right, it performs the seek, and then pauses.
  • If the seek bar is present when I tap without clicking, it performs the seek and pauses.

I haven’t tested scrubbing and so cannot comment on that. But the current seek behavior is inconsistent at best and should be addressed. Hopefully it’s just an oversight. I don’t think I would have even noticed it if it hadn’t been mentioned here; I normally just use my Sire remote with the click wheel. Perhaps they don’t test with the older remotes (but definitely should).

Interesting. Yes, I see that too - I didn’t consider trying it that way, that’s not how Apple says the remote works.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102337#firstgen

During playback, rest your finger on the touch surface, then press the left or right side of the touch surface to move backward or forward in time. To continuously rewind or fast-forward, press and hold the left or right side of the touch surface.

Tap doesn’t seek in the Apple TV app - so it’s not that both are supposed to work. And tap doesn’t seek in the public version of Plex on the Apple TV.

(Tap does seek in YouTube. But so does the documented “press”.)

Yeah, the inconsistency is… jarring.

Future more? What are you talking about?

Ok, that reads more like a bug than an intended feature.

Also, off-topic, unsolicited advice, I would recommend getting the new one. I got a first gen 4k appletv and bought the new Siri Remote afterwards, it’s worth it.

Typo: Further

Thanks - I agree, I have both, and the new remote is dramatically more gooderer in general, and works much better when seeking in Plex. (The scrub bar behavior is bad independent of the remote type.)

Is it a known bug with the beta that media that should be hidden in the browse view because they are in collections that hide their items still show in the library? Everything that should be hidden shows for me, tv or movie. I double checked the non-beta tvOS release as well as the Roku ultra app and both behave as they should there so I know it isn’t about how my collections are set up.

“Guarantee they aren’t” given our experiences with the iOS/iPadOS/Andriod and also Roku New Experience, I don’t share your certainty, but hope this is the target and they can get it shipped soon.

At this point I’d rather take the risk of a challenging UX, rather than have to pay to use Infuse to ensure that I can playback movies without the stuttering issue that has been widely documented and reported, and only fixed in the TestFlight.

Right now, Plex on Apple TV is only useful for Live TV playback (something that I’m using less and less anyhow).

I think the newest version may have fixed the issue of not being able to exit the video once the skip credits options pops up. Haven’t had the issue this month.

One thing I would suggest to a dev that may be working on this is that when I click on a show under “Continue Watching”, I would expect that the next episode up (or the last episode watched but not finished) would be pre-selected and ready to go. Instead, I find that nothing is selected and I have to press down, which targets the seasons bar, down again which selects the episode description, and down again which finally selects the correct episode.

Plex aren’t the only ones messing with player interfaces - and we’re not the only people unhappy with nonstandard players.

It feels like all of the norms are eroding everywhere. Back in my day, get off my lawn, uphill both ways.

I’ve been experiencing this too since they updated the player interface again… it’s one of the few remaining navigation bugs I have in the new experience. My only other thing right now is that they would return the Record button for live tv to the new player GUI, and enable direct play/stream LiveTV instead of forcing a transcode :slight_smile:

Can anyone comment on the state of Dolby Vision for the beta app? I have a Samsung so I have no ability to test it, but other than some of the UI issues I have reported (the selection issue above, content that is supposed to be hidden from the library via its collection setting but isn’t) it seems pretty much release ready on my end. But I think DV might be the sticking point here. If its just the old issue that the release version has of fake DV, they might as well just release the beta anyways if thats all thats holding it up.

I don’t think anyone from Plex has commented on it yet on the tvOS side…it triggers for my LG on all DOVI profiles (including 7) and I’m able to play Dolby Vision only files that don’t have HDR fallback…but would love to know what is really going on.

Doesn’t seem like anyone from Plex comments on the tvOS side of things at all, other than finally updating the Plex tvOS Experience update thread earlier this month. Wish they would be a bit more communicative than that. Either way, it really seems like they should be getting close to releasing the beta app soon. I would be surprise if it isn’t this year, seeing as how I don’t see a lot of glaring issues that seem like they would take a lot of effort to figure out. I have fully switched to it from Infuse, so that is an accomplishment all on its own. I was dying to ditch Infuse’s awful UI.

Gruber makes the same complaint more forcefully:

Ah, the old “Trust us, I know what’s best for you” bit coming from each of these major corps. Each of the companies swears up and down they’re far more knowledgeable in what we want as consumers… yet, they aren’t realizing how much more people are going back to purchasing physical media again in droves because of these m0r0ns :joy:

I’m surprised Apple approves apps that deviate from the Apple player - it reflects badly on the ATV experience when non-standard player interfaces are used.

Does it, or does it just show how good Apple Interfaces can be developed. Always good to remember Think Different