Plex Media Player is no longer actively developed (or at least that’s what I’ve understood – keep in mind version 2.58 was released almost 2 years ago). Use Plex HTPC for as a big screen app on a desktop (e.g. for HTPC purposes). Plex HTPC already supports the new features.
Wow.
This seems so weird.
I was using Plex HTPC for years, then they discontinued it for PMP, now its back.
OK
A question…do you think it would be an issue to have both on the same computer (until I am sure it will work) or might there be conflicts?
The other way around. There was never a client called “Plex HTPC”.
You perhaps confuse this with “Plex Home Theater”, which was a modified Kodi.
Probably yes
Thinking back, it had skins just like KODI.
I ran both together for some time.
Cool, thanks-
Theres No Such Thing As A Free Lunch…
It’s basic economics that everyone learns in High School…
Nothing you THINK is free, is ACTUALLY free. You always pay in some way. Otherwise they wouldn’t give it away for free. Free Samples? No, that’s more aggressive advertising because you can taste it. They know that 8 of every 10 won’t buy it, but the cost of the small sample they give & the person running it is less than the 20% of the people who will buy it, & maybe 2% of them will continue to buy it after. Even when you buy something on clearance, that’s not to give you a deal, it’s to “Clear the shelves” The principle of clearance is “We’ve accepted that we’re not making money on this item, it costs us more to keep it on our shelf, so we’re selling it under the value we make money from, & putting it in an inconvenient location that isn’t in the way anymore, hoping that someone will buy it & we’ll be out less money” Now plenty of places (Target I’m looking at you) use the word “Clearance” randomly & for things that are only being sold 41¢ below their retail, but that just means they are using “Clearance” in a non-standard way. Using it as advertisement.)
Anyway, “Free” TV COSTS you the commercials. Because SOMEone is paying for it, the advertisers, so YOU don’t have to.
You obviously don’t know the definition of “Anonymous”…
You also don’t really know the GDPR either.
"The GDPR states that **you can collect & store certain information as long as the users remain completely anonymous** . There can be no chance that the user can be traced from the data you have stored."
Now, I don’t know where Plex servers are located, how Plex handles all that but the GDPR, which I believe is the strictest data privacy regulation, is for the European Union. So unless they are specifically & intentionally targeting European Union citizens with their advertising it doesn’t apply to Plex AT ALL. Since Plex doesn’t advertise, you come TO THEM to use their software, & hear about it by word of mouth, The GDPR has no grounds unless, maybe, their servers reside within the EU… Also the enforceability of this is questionable at best. It’s like Texas making a Law that says “Nobody in the world can talk bad about Texas Residents”. Ignore the 1st amendment issue, it’s just for a stupid cartoony example, But even if they had that law, they don’t really have grounds to enforce it outside of Texas. The best they could do is like China, if a company doesn’t follow the law they could prevent local DNSs from accessing those sites. That’s really it.
BUT. It doesn’t violate the GDPR AT ALL so it doesn’t even matter.
You should read the Plex TOS"
"The content layout, formatting, & features (or functionality) of & online or remote access processes for the Plex Solution shall be as made available by Plex in its sole discretion."
Privacy Policy, that you agree to, but probably just clicked through saying you read it even though you didn’t says
Information We Collect
Except for certain exceptions such as Third-Party Control & Playback Mechanisms & image analysis (i.e., metadata about photos when these features are user-enabled, such as geotag information or scene recognition analysis), as described below, we do not collect or store metadata (information about the specific file, cover art, subtitles, running length, etc.) for Personal Content stored on your personal Plex Media Server. However, your Plex Media Server may anonymously send us filenames or other identifiers for your Personal Content for the sole purpose of providing metadata back to your personal Plex Media Server. You may disable this metadata matching capability.1. **Usage Statistics for Personal Content** . We may collect usage statistics for Personal Content. This includes information about your interaction with the Services, such as device information, duration, bit rate, media formats, resolution, & media type (music, photos, videos, etc.). Where possible, we will generalize this information to avoid identifying your Personal Content. Usage statistics do not include specific content titles or filenames. We may use information related to your usage to run & improve our Services, to provide, customize, & personalize communications & other content that we deliver or offer to you.When you use the Services to watch, listen to, or record content from a third-party content provider or source such as any officially supported Third-Party Content that Plex streams to Plex apps, trailers & extras from Internet Video Archive (IVA), or use of our Live TV & DVR service, we may collect information related to that media interaction. For example, we may collect what program or movie you are watching & when, your interaction with any static or video advertising, etc. We may also collect your device information & device location, for example, by using your IP address or by asking for your zip code. We may use this information to run & improve our Services, provide advertising & marketing to you, as well as share anonymous or aggregated versions of the data with third partiesLike many online services, we may collect information about the devices that are used to access our Services, such as the IP address of the device, the operating system & version of the device, the browser that you use to access a Plex web page, & the versions of the Plex technologies being used. We may also collect location information about the devices that access our Services.
Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ all collect more than that if you read their TOSes.
I may have seen them in passing but there’s over 600 comments, I haven’t read them all
Not true. That IS a value, sure, But that value is more FOR you, so that YOU get better recommendations, etc. Before internet connected Cable Boxes & Live TV services that collect “What’s being watched right now” data from EVERY user their were things like the old Nielsen System. Certain houses would have a box connected to their TV that dialed on the phone line & reported what channels were being watched & when. They only had a small sample pool to use, so personal dat was completely useless, what they want is statistics. I’m pretty sure they had data on the household like “1 adult male age 30-40, 1 adult female age 30-40, 2 female children age 11-15, 1 male child age 6-10, 1 male child age 0-5” they probably also had things like “Intersts: SciFi, Doccumentaries, etc” because those rating things would have things like that in them at times, so they could statistically say that families watch this show. The Nielsen Rating used to be a big part of what was considered popular. You’d hear about the Nielsen Ratings all the time. It determined things like how much advertisers paid to have commercial on during those shows, what shows got canceled, what type of ads ran during shows, etc. My family wished we were a part of that system because we watched shows that got canceled & then later people were always like “Why is there only one season, this show is so good?” the biggest example is Firefly, which we watched, got others to watch, everyone who did loved it, but we couldn’t get the right statically selected people to watch.
Now what is Plex using this data for? No idea, but a lot of that stuff is useless for Plex to use, & they don’t, according to their Privacy Policy, which I’m sure you’re gonna say they do anyway but that’s just your unfounded belief, sell that data.
Plex may share Collected Information as expressly set forth in this Privacy Policy, including the following limited situations:
1. With third parties that assist us in providing you with our Services, such as payment processors, business & analytics providers, content providers, marketers, & cloud service providers, but we require our third parties to only use your information for the purposes of providing the services requested of them & in accordance with this Privacy Policy.
2. If we believe that the disclosure is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy an applicable law, regulation, legal process, or enforceable governmental request; or (b) protect or defend the safety, rights, or property of Plex, the public, or any person.
3. In connection with a merger, acquisition, bankruptcy, dissolution, reorganization, or similar transaction or other proceeding involving Plex that includes or requires the transfer of the information.
4. If your information is a part of a set of non-private, aggregated, anonymized, or otherwise non-personal information, such as anonymized & / or aggregated usage statistics & viewing trends.
5. With third parties to improve & deliver advertising to you on our behalf.
6. If you request or consent to our sharing of Collected Information with a third party.
2. We may apply automated decision-making to Collected Information to recommend content to you that we think you may be interested in.
3. We will not share with third parties for their use or sell Collected Information about your Personal Content.
These have not changed since 2020
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This is like what JustWatch has, & I don’t personally like it. I find it more annoying than useful.
What they COULD do is have us login to the streaming partners & then when we watch it it just updates it as watched… It would also give a lot of other benefits… But I’ve already mentioned those a few times, lol
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I love JustWatch. Works great and much better than this so far
I hate to say this, but you may have wanted to keep learning after high school. Your concept of both how internet service businesses work and the function of data privacy regs like GDPR is so twisted and removed from reality that I don’t even know how to start addressing all of the problems with it.
To begin with, maybe you should actually read the GDPR recitals (available HERE and with a nice narrative handbook HERE). That sentence you quoted about GDPR requiring absolute anonymity of collected data is just nuts. It’s not even close to reality.
As for how the business of internet data sharing works, you should start with Morey, Forbath, and Schoop’s excellent Customer Data: Designing for Transparency and Trust published in the Harvard Business Review HERE and keep going for a year or two. You’ve got a lot of catching up to do since high school.
Will Discover be available on the Plex Apple TV app? When, how?
That only works if each streaming service provides a suitable API.
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Eventually it would be great to be able to import watch lists from JustWatch and IMDB, etc.
I love this idea and, at long last, downloaded Plex as I’ve been meaning to do for a bit just for it! Something that’s always bothered us has been the streaming shuffle of going between apps just to see what’s there and hopefully this is going to help mitigate a really annoying problem.
That said, I have a couple of things that might make it easier, which I’m hoping you can do with Plex since it seems to have a lot of the movies and their info loaded up already!
-The ability to sort by genre. Sometimes you’re in the mood for something specific and going through all of the movies instead of being able to just quickly narrow it down to the things that fit the mood can take the convenience out of this!
-The ability to mark which services I have a subscription to and then only show those. So far I see it lets me mark certain providers, but it would be nice if I could narrow down my watchlist to show just the ones currently available on those. I added a couple when I was pulling in my list from Hulu that are actually no longer streaming there, and nowhere else, so now it just kinda feels like a dead tile that’ll show up amidst the active stuff. Similarly, it’ll help me narrow down what’s “free” (streaming on a subscription service I have) vs what I would have to pay for.
If I have anything else I’ll drop a comment but I’m hoping to see this really grow, and hoping to get more int Plex down the line!
I rather this was en immigration then just en index for other app why not do it like tidal where its stream of plex and what how em i going to get back to plex what by exiting the app and going back to plex there all ready en index on say the ps4 media menu whats the point
It’s already available on Apple TV. Make sure your Plex app on the device is updated to version 8.1.
That’s from PrivacyPolicies.com, something tells me that they probably know a bit more about it than you do. I’m definitely no expert, but neither are you.
Why are you so focused on the GDPR? Because it SEEMS to fit your narrative? but it doesn’t even apply at all anyway. Not according to the EU. On THEIR OFFICIAL WEBSITE they state:
- When the regulation does not apply
Your company is service provider based outside the EU. It provides services to customers outside the EU. Its clients can use its services when they travel to other countries, including within the EU. Provided your company doesn’t specifically target its services at individuals in the EU, it is not subject to the rules of the GDPR.
It’s really funny that you say that. Because you obviously didn’t learn the things that everybody learns in HS. If someone said “You learn to read when you are in preschool” by no means, in the English language that you should brush up on, does that anywhere indicate in any way that the person speaking ONLY went to preschool. That’s called reading comprehension, to which you need a review.
As far as how the Data is used, I have no idea. & I’ve never implied that I do. I specifically say that I DON’T know. But you make a lot of ASSUMPTIONS.
- 1st, you have no evidence that Plex is using this data for ANY purposes aside from what to show as recommended. but your arguments are based on the “Fact”, whether true or not, that they are using it in a way that is against the GDPR rules, which do not even apply here. I guess that goes back to the Reading comprehension issue again,
- 2nd, you have no idea how laws work. There is no law without a punishment for that law. Basic principal of law. If you commit murder, you go to jail or receive capital punishment, If you steal there is a fine & jail time. What happens if a US company, that the European Union has no jurisdiction over, violates the GDPR? Well, since the EU has no way to enforce any kind of punishment outside of Europe, the punishment will be based in the EU. Look at the cases. They have given out a lot of fines. & a number of those companies have packed up & left Europe, because without a presence in Europe there is no way for the Regulation to be enforced. Many of the big companies that have been fined have disputed those fines, & there isn’t yet any sort of, whatever the equivalent of case-law is in this case, established yet. Because they haven’t been able to actually enforce it on companies that don’t agree to.
- 3rd, The type of data you are talking about isn’t even COVERED by the GDPR.
The GDPR covers: - genetic,
- biometric & health data,
- personal data revealing racial & ethnic origin,
- political opinions,
- religious or ideological convictions
- Sexual orientation
- trade union membership
- identity information
- name
- address
- ID numbers
- Web data
- location
- IP address
- cookie data
- RFID tags
Note that viewing data isn’t there anywhere. Nothing in the realm of the type of data you’re talking about is listed in what the GDPR covers.
even if you are using the data the way you are afraid they are, it’s not covered by the regulations you like to act like you know about but 5 minutes of searching finds your information incorrect about.
We’ve pretty much already been told that that’s not going to be an option. BUT the ones that you selected will show 1st, only to show the other options available. & it should tell you next to it if it’s part of the subscription. It’s not perfect to be sure, like it won’t let you see what you have already purchased in your library for services like Vudu or Amazon Prime, which have stuff that you have only because you buy it. Hopefully they add an ability to sign into the services, but I’ve hinted at that a lot already so I won’t say more about it.
Same here… My server is on Nvidia Shield
Actually, if you had bothered to read my arguments you’d see that I’ve been telling people that GDPR doesn’t apply because Plex has included language in the Privacy Policy that specifically allows them to opt EU users out of GDPR. It doesn’t apply for that reason, not because of the tortuous logic and cherry-picked quotes that you’re trying to apply.
The fact that you continue to twist arguments and ignore what people have been trying to tell you demonstrates that you’re too far down the rabbit hole to warrant recovery. I’m therefore gonna end this little experiment in terror with an anecdote that seems relevant.
Some years ago a buddy I went to law school with gave up his seven-figure-a-year partnership at BigLaw and opened his own little patent office. Why he did this is anyone’s guess as solo patent practice can be the most mind-numbing, soul-crushing way to use a law degree there is. Nevertheless, he claims to enjoy it and I’m not one to kink shame so I just smile at his pain and try to send him good vibes.
About 20% of my friend’s time is spent paying the office rent by servicing the patent portfolios of local small- and mid-sized businesses and a handful of individual clients who actually had an idea worth patenting. The other 80% is spent explaining to walk-ins that their miraculous, world-changing idea isn’t eligible for patent protection for one of several basic legal reasons. He then gets to sit there and watch them turn red and have their eyes glaze over in anger at him for telling them that their dud idea isn’t going to make them Jeff-Bezos-level rich.
My favorite story of his in this respect is about the The Ice Fisherman. This guy went out on the lake one day and noticed how his powered auger pulled up water from under the ice and splashed it all around the top of the hole. He then showed up at my buddy’s office looking for a patent on a revolutionary new water pump that was going to make him billions and billions of dollars.
My friend calmly explained to The Ice Fisherman that he couldn’t get a patent because the law requires inventions to be “novel” and his idea was something called an Archimedes’ screw that had been known to human civilization for roughly 3,000 years and is in constant daily use in a variety of forms all over the world.
At this point the guy absolutely exploded. He started banging his hands on the table, screaming expletives, and insisting that his idea was indeed “novel” because it used an “auger” instead of a “screw” and how two things that had different names were obviously completely different and nobody had ever thought of using an auger instead of a screw to move water before.
Then, as he was storming out the door, The Ice Fisherman turned to my friend, pointed his finger at him, and yelled “$%^& all you people. I GOOGLED this stuff. You’re the fifth lawyer I’ve been to and none of you know $%^& about the law!”
And with that I’m going to make like Gracie Allen and say goodnight to the pointless endeavor of educating LostOnTheLine about anything.
P.S. - And if anyone wants to read the stuff that Lost says the EU doesn’t understand about their own laws here’s a repost of the links I previously sent him for the actual PROVISIONS of the GDPR, a HANDBOOK on interpreting those provisions from an EU agency that helps enforce the directive, and - as a bonus - an enlightening ARTICLE from the Harvard Business Review about consumer data protection in general.
Be careful using those links, though. LostOnTheLine has already Googled that stuff and says those people don’t know $%^& about the laws that they themselves wrote and enacted.
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