Freedom of Speech (IMPORTANT-PLEASE READ)

General Discussions
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I recently posted the below content on every sub-forum on your site as I felt everyone had a right to know. Interestingly my posts some how got suppressed with the exception of my original post under this sub-forum. If I am correct there is a law called the “Freedom of Speech” (our first First Amendment) and one who suppresses such a freedom is called a dictator and in this country that is illegal.

Yes, I have all of the email notifications indicating that I posted this content under each sub-forum. So how would you like to handle this?

ARE YOU F’ING KINDING ME!!! Your DB goes on vacation and every Plex user is unable to use the software!. Nice work you idiots. I pay for access to you updates and support not your DB going to the Fiji Islands for a stiff drink. You just got to love a dictatorship. “Without me your F’ed. See you when I return” My entire Plex setup was offline and inaccessible. Could not even login to my PMS.
I am going to put aside my massive list of complaints with your software and pretend your apps are bug free. Ugh, this is going to be hard. Okay, I’m, focused, I can do this, bug free!!!
Lets just say some lonely, bored out his mind hacker in Belize decide to over-through you and does some redirects and simply intercepts the login to your web site and steals everyone’s passwords (didn’t this happen not to long ago). Ok I 'm not a hacker and do not know the lingo, nor do I condone such activity. So this single point of failure called “plex.tv” is a “BIG PROBLEM” One, if a hacker gets in they potential have access to all of our stuff (e.g. picture, videos - of the me and the wife doing it, and what ever else we store on our PMS) Awesome, the “Personal Identifiable Information Act” just got a big f*cking.
I think Plex needs to let users have control over their content. They need to change this control to a user centric model where you can link in your Twitter, Facebook, Microsoft account (e.g. OneDrive) or what ever account directly to your PMS. This way your PMS will login to the cloud account of your choice and if your are savvy enough and setup your own DynDNS account you can redirect your device externally to your PMS server.
You should have the choice of who is the central control of your content.

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Wow. Just Wow. I think you need to go back to school and study up on Constitutional rights. They only apply to the GOVERNMENT. Not to private entities. You entered a private forum controlled by a private corporation. You have no First Amendment rights at plex.tv.

Putting your same post on every sub forum is called Spamming, and it’s considered rude. You are arrogant in thinking your rant is so important that it needs to be spammed far and wide.

As for your issues. We live in a connected world. Get used to it. If you don’t want your naked butt on the Internet, don’t put it on an Internet connected computer.

Schlage and Kwikset don’t guarantee a burglar can’t break their locks, why do you think Plex should guarantee their software isn’t hackable?

Go put some new tin foil on, take your Lithium, and everything will be fine in the morning. No guarantees though.

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The staff regularly remove duplicate posts of any nature. I’m not staff but I’ve seen if happen more than once. It’s usually general forum etiquette to post content once. Posting multiple copies of the same thread in various places is grounds for duplicate deletion on any forum I’ve ever been a part of.

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Ok went back to school.

Do individuals have First Amendment rights on others’ private property?
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Generally no. The Bill of Rights provides protection for individual liberty from actions by government officials. This is called the state-action doctrine. Private property is not government-owned. Restrictions on individuals’ free-speech rights on private property do not involve state action.

However, a few states have interpreted their own state constitutions to provide even greater free-speech protection than the federal Constitution offers. For example, the New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled that individuals have free-speech rights at privately owned shopping malls. Most state supreme courts that have examined the issue have disagreed. In April 2002, the Iowa Supreme Court refused to extend its definition of public property to include large, privately owned shopping malls._

Ok so this does not necessarily imply that I am in my right regardless to public or private. But where is the headquarters for Plex? With a little digging it appears to be Troy, Michigan. At least that is wear they are registered. So in that state "Article 1, Section 5;

Freedom of speech and of press. Sec. 5. Every person may freely speak, write, express and publish his views on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of such right; and no law shall be enacted to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or of the press. History: Const. 1963, Art. I, §5, Eff. Jan. 1, 1964. Former Constitution: See Const. 1908, Art. II, §4.

No where else in their local constitution does it state that a private company is immune to this law. So I think I am within my right.

I am only here to do what is right by the people who use Plex. You comments in regards to tin foil and Lithium is just rude. You judge me by what I post with no substantial research to what I am writing or making claim to. I do not claim to be an expert in law and nor do I claim to know who you are and therefore I am not privy to judge you.

I understand that nothing is perfect or full proof. That is even more the reason not to rely on Plex.tv and to allow us to contain our PMS within our control, not theirs. Granted this still does not guarantee that our information is safe, but knowing that I have control over it and not Plex.tv gives me that assurance.

As for the spam, the forum rules say that you can only post so many within a period of time not how many. I actually got notifications saying that I was posting to fast and that I would need to wait 120 seconds before I could continue.

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It’s called etiquette. Just like you don’t sit and talk during a movie at a movie theater, or stand up and yell fire, you don’t post the same thing in every sub forum. It’s simply considered rude. If everyone did as you think you can do, every forum on the Internet would be a useless mess. Why even bother with categorized sub forums at that point. You’d would just have one big useless forum full of crap to weed through.

Get it now?

You are simply being arrogant in your attitude of thinking you are “doing right by the people who use plex”. You think your opinion is more valid than anyone else’s. It simply isn’t. Got it?

As for your assertion that you are still within your first amendment rights to post your drivel here, again, wrong. Those laws you cite protect your right, for example, to hire a publisher to print your book or to hire a web company to set up a blog for you, where you can post your crap. Those laws do not protect your right to come onto some else’s property and do it.

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https://plex.tv/legal

governed by california law.

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As for your comment on Plex controlling your content, huh? Plex is giving you access to your content! You are free to try out Plex before you give them money. If you didn’t like the way it works, why did you pay them?

If you don’t want to work within the confines, limitations, and benefits of plex.tv, then don’t. Nothing is stopping you from opening up your router, setting up port forwarding, and manually configuring the Plex clients to use your IP address. This is the way I used to do it before plex.tv did what it does today.

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Freedom of speech laws or rights do not apply in situations like this. But even if they did they do not apply to private forums and even if they did there is no right to break the rules of private forums by posting duplicate posts all over the forums. What you did was just as bad as a company coming on the forums and posting ads for a cream to regrow pubic hair.

But your basic premise is in error.
You do NOT pay for updates.
You do NOT pay for support.
You pay for a few extended features, early access to updates, (but updates are available to everyone) early access to apps on some clients and access to some forums regular Plex users cannot access.

You do not suddenly become “special” just by buying a “Plex Pass.”

Even if you did gain all that you are also wrong that Plex ceases functioning when their DB or any other part of their system is down. I loose internet functionality often and my Plex system never even hiccups. I seem to always retain full functionality as long as my local server is running and my local network works. The only time I have had my Plex system down is when my router or my server have failed and I keep backups available for that possibility.

You do have the “right” to complain and I support that but when that complaint is just wrong and takes the form of an attack you should not expect much sympathy nor should you be given help for being stupid and abrasive.

Oh, if you think Plex is “controlling” your content you might be correct. They “could” be beaming signals into your abode and turning on your cameras and microphones. You are clearly important and interesting enough for Plex to expend the effort needed to do that. I would expect videos of your home life to appear on the internet at any time and that to be passed along to the NSA and the FBI and Homeland and any other relevant agency. You can also expect audits from the IRS for the last 10 years returns. You have messed with the wrong people.

:ar! :))

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Thank you “reddwarfcrew”

According to California State Law, Article 1, Section 2(a);

Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of this right. A law may not restrain or abridge liberty of speech or press.

So I believe I am with my rights.

But the point is not so much what the law says but that fact that Plex suppressed my posts out of concerns that this will have an impact on their revenue. Hey, I get I would too be concerned, but I surely would not suppress someone’s post. That fact that they did so only substantiate that I am right.

“VirtualPex”, though you are not wrong and yes I did buy into the Plex world but know one from Plex has come out to save them selves by stating that one could isolate their Plex environment and not rely on Plex.tv. If this is so the case that some one can do so then no one has pointed out documentation has to how.

I still would like to hear from Plex as to why they suppressed my posts and what they plan to do in this regard.

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“VirtualPlex” your commentary on NSA and FBI is just childish and based on your “Some of my favorite quotes” shows that you are arrogant.

Example: "You do not suddenly become “special” just by buying a “Plex Pass.” but you think yourself as special because you are clearly are engrossed in your quotes enough to publish them for everyone to see which stands to argue, those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. Sound familiar?

You should really think before you post my friend.

The point of my Freedom of Speech post is to point out that Plex is violating my first constitution right, not to argue with senseless commentary that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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“VirtualPlex” in regards to your post (#47) your are wrong. Do a search for "Robins v. Pruneyard Shopping Center: Free Speech Access to Shopping Centers under the California Constitution ".

The law says that I have the right to walk into (login into) any company in the State of California and speak freely. This goes for 15 other states as well.

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You have 232 posts on the Plex forums…and 69 started threads. You are not be censured.
A quick wikipedia search of your “Robins v Pruneyard” also shows this key passage.

under the California Constitution, individuals may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public, subject to reasonable regulations adopted by the shopping centers

So, by your own (mostly faulty) comparison…Plex has the right to institute reasonable regulations of the forum. Primarily, I would argue, are 1. Don’t post the same thing in multiple forums…and 2. Keep it constructive. Those are reasonable regulations which you have largely failed to live up to.

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@nilesfoster said:
“VirtualPlex” in regards to your post (#47) your are wrong. Do a search for "Robins v. Pruneyard Shopping Center: Free Speech Access to Shopping Centers under the California Constitution ".

The law says that I have the right to walk into (login into) any company in the State of California and speak freely. This goes for 15 other states as well.

If your argument really was true for forums then the companies engaging in spamming and other actions by individuals posting links and “testimonials” could not be prevented “constitutionally” and their posts could not legally be removed. It could be argued that “bots” are not covered but many spammers and not bots and simply post the same things as often as possible.

But, regardless of what you have stated, the laws you have stated do NOT apply. This, and most other forums, are NOT “public” access, like a supermarket. They are more like private clubs where membership is required and the Supreme Court has ruled that private clubs are not bound by free speech rules. That is private clubs do not have to allow any speech within their confines that members find objectionable or is prohibited by rules, bylaws or conventions.

They can, with perfect legality, remove people that violate their rules or desires.

It is my belief that you have violated the reasonable rules of this forum and should be banned but Plex is nicer than I and they will, I think, just ignore your inflammation and profane posts until such time as you clean up your act and ask questions with reasonable politeness and cease trying to defend an indefensible position.

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@nilesfoster You should’ve posted what you had to say in the “general discussions” thread and not spam every forum. If you post the same topic in every sub forum of course they are likely to remove it because it’s unnecessary clutter.

Your frustration can be voiced on these forums as many of us have in the past, but it’s not cool to go overboard and abuse the right to express yourself here by attacking and throwing out many allegations against the company. Their’s better ways to get your point across my friend.

Cheers,

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There are plenty of online resources about private internet forums and how freedom of speech does not apply. This is a privately owned forum, and as such the owners can and will edit posts, remove posts, or ban individuals as is their right as owners of the forum. You have no rights on this forum other than what the terms of use give you, and those can be changed at any time by the owners.

The First Amendment doesn’t give you the right to say whatever you want wherever you want; the First Amendment protects your rights from censorship by the government.

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Everyone is missing the point. Regardless if the law applies or not is not the point. I stated that I am not expert in law and therefore do not claim that I maybe right or wrong. I am only going by what I find in the constitution. How that applies, as I have learned obviously depends on many factors.

My point is that Plex did suppress my posts and this is what I am frustrated about. Obviously due things beyond my control this topic got out of control and here we are fighting about something completely off the road map and all some one had to say was, “Here, this document will show you how to island your Plex environment so that you do not need to depend on Plex.tv”.

I am just at fault just for allowing this post to get to where is.

End post

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It started with “ARE YOU F’ING KINDING ME!!!” [sic] and you think it “got” out of control?

It was out of control from the beginning…
then you accepted your own answer…

What a troll.

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@nilesfoster said:
My point is that Plex did suppress my posts and this is what I am frustrated about.
To be clear, Plex did not suppress your posts due to content. Cross posting is considered spamming and spam will be deleted. The first thread was allowed to remain. This applies to all threads regardless of content.

If you are referring to your topic no longer being shown as the most recent, this is a built in feature of the forum software. When a thread receives a large number of negative votes, the forum software no longer shows that thread on the front page. There was no involvement from Plex on this happening. the votes came from the community, not from Plex.

Plex does not take sides on discussions or censor any posts (except for profanity, discussion of illegal activities, or violations of Plex’s ToS).