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@Elijah_Baley said:
@brucethevideobug said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
The one thing I wish Plex would do is place a hiatus on new features and fix the existing problems and finish the existing features before trying to expand the feature set. But wishes to Plex are like prayers to God, they always get answered but sometimes, more often than not, the answer is no.
It seems to me that new features are on at least a slowdown. There’s been nothing since ‘news’ in September, I think.
But they just threatened us with a server update that is for functionality of something new. I am somewhat terrified of what “could” be coming. It is kind of like waiting around the campfire while the fire burns down with weird shuffling noises coming from the the surrounding forest and a coed or two sitting around in their underwear and telling the guys to find out “what that noise is.”
You should probably have a look at the blog. It was the introduction of collections.
I don’t share your experiences … I use Apple TV and a HTPC for most of my media consumption. Emby runs fine on both. Emby’s tvOS app in fact is better the the Plex app. Emby Theater and PMP are both okay-ish. On my iOS phone and tablets Plex has a nicer interface than Emby, but of what use is that, as long as sync doesn’t work reliably on Plex (I hardly stream to iOS when I’m at home. I use it for sync and offline use).
Oh and … my lib is roughly double the size than yours, Elijah_Baley. On my setup Emby is more responsive than Plex. Also the handling is much better, because with Emby I get a proper rpm repository for updates.
Prob. it depends a lot on hardware/OS and the general setup how your experience will be.
@Elijah_Baley said:
Of course I deploy my umbrella more often here to avoid the yellow rain that Plex gives its users much too often. Maybe that is what is killing the grass here?
That’s exactly the reason I switched. One fine day the yellow rain from Plex will turn into a yellow flood I fear. At least they are behaving like it …
And on that day I won’t be here any more.
@marcelhehle said:
I don’t share your experiences … I use Apple TV and a HTPC for most of my media consumption. Emby runs fine on both. Emby’s tvOS app in fact is better the the Plex app. Emby Theater and PMP are both okay-ish. On my iOS phone and tablets Plex has a nicer interface than Emby, but of what use is that, as long as sync doesn’t work reliably on Plex (I hardly stream to iOS when I’m at home. I use it for sync and offline use).Oh and … my lib is roughly double the size than yours, Elijah_Baley. On my setup Emby is more responsive than Plex. Also the handling is much better, because with Emby I get a proper rpm repository for updates.
Prob. it depends a lot on hardware/OS and the general setup how your experience will be.
Does emby even have iOS sync at all? They didn’t last time I checked.
They are working on it …
But Plex has neither. At least since years it’s broken for me.
@marcelhehle said:
Prob. it depends a lot on hardware/OS and the general setup how your experience will be.
I have the impression that apple TV seems to be especially given heartburn by Plex. Apple doesn’t generally encourage mixing their products with those from the other side of the track, so maybe thisn’t surprising.
@brucethevideobug said:
@marcelhehle said:
Prob. it depends a lot on hardware/OS and the general setup how your experience will be.
I have the impression that apple TV seems to be especially given heartburn by Plex. Apple doesn’t generally encourage mixing their products with those from the other side of the track, so maybe thisn’t surprising.
Emby and infuse work well, so if there are issues, they’re Plex’s to fix.
@Elijah_Baley said:
@brucethevideobug said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
The one thing I wish Plex would do is place a hiatus on new features and fix the existing problems and finish the existing features before trying to expand the feature set. But wishes to Plex are like prayers to God, they always get answered but sometimes, more often than not, the answer is no.
It seems to me that new features are on at least a slowdown. There’s been nothing since ‘news’ in September, I think.
But they just threatened us with a server update that is for functionality of something new. I am somewhat terrified of what “could” be coming. It is kind of like waiting around the campfire while the fire burns down with weird shuffling noises coming from the the surrounding forest and a coed or two sitting around in their underwear and telling the guys to find out “what that noise is.”
Collections. I’m loving it!
Edit: oops, answered not realizing there was a second page. Sorry @KarlDag - you named it 
@per_PLEX_ed said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
@brucethevideobug said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
The one thing I wish Plex would do is place a hiatus on new features and fix the existing problems and finish the existing features before trying to expand the feature set. But wishes to Plex are like prayers to God, they always get answered but sometimes, more often than not, the answer is no.
It seems to me that new features are on at least a slowdown. There’s been nothing since ‘news’ in September, I think.
But they just threatened us with a server update that is for functionality of something new. I am somewhat terrified of what “could” be coming. It is kind of like waiting around the campfire while the fire burns down with weird shuffling noises coming from the the surrounding forest and a coed or two sitting around in their underwear and telling the guys to find out “what that noise is.”
Collections. I’m loving it!
Edit: oops, answered not realizing there was a second page. Sorry @KarlDag - you named it
Collections would be VERY welcome, IF THEY WORK CORRECTLY. But, given Plex’s track record with releasing “features” half-baked and/or buggy, I am reserving judgement until I see exactly what has been done and how they work and if they are even as close to as easy to use as Emby’s collections. One thing Emby really got right for me is collections and, with the LONG time Plex has taken, assuming that is really what is coming, getting a working implementation out in the world I would be very disappointed if Plex’s collections do not at least reach Emby’s standards.
Well, reserve judgement till you tried it 
In the meantime, here is the blog post: It's beginning to look a lot like Collections | Plex
@per_PLEX_ed said:
Well, reserve judgement till you tried it
I must have missed that Blog post but I have looked at it now and I found “Collections” in the editing of my libraries and I have to say they look good and I have created a few.
I normally use Rokus for most of my Plex usage and collections are not yet available on Roku. A little later I will switch to my Shield and see how they look and operate but, like the guy said as passing the 5th floor after falling from the 10th, so far so good.
BTW: I was very pleased to see this in the post:
Or, if you’re a grinch-type person, you can disable this new behavior altogether.
It looks like Plex may finally be learning from earlier missteps. Hope springs eternal. 
o:)
@KarlDag said:
Music libraries’ new features are only available on PlexAmp for which no support is promised. I think we can all agree most people will listen to their music on Android or iOS, which don’t have those necessary features. Sure, it’s probably coming now, but it should have been the case a long time ago.
If you are referring to crossfades and gapless audio then yes for now it’s only available in PlexAmp. However part of the battle to bring this to reality is the new info stored in the DB for each track that is needed and of course the new scanning mechanism to gather this data. This part is server based and obviously done leaving it now to the clients. Remember the idea behind Plex Labs is to help bring new features and to have a “play” area for just this type of thing.
They might have fixed the optimiser if you say so, but if that’s the case it goes back to the point about communication: I had no idea. They also still don’t give us options to change crf values to our preference.
Or priorities are probably not the same, no, but I really wish Plex would finish fixing their features before adding more, and especially with on communicating A LOT MORE with us.
Not being able to set the CRF in the optimize settings is a severe downside in my book as well and why I never used it and why the conversion scripts I provide are still being used. I’ve said the same since the beginning of it’s release. Optimize was 90% complete but that remaining 10% made it not really that usable for many people. The other option that IMHO was needed was a replace option (replace the original file after running optimize).
Don’t get me wrong. Even as a Ninja I often disagree with Plex decisions and feel that features are close but not complete and miss the boat.
@KarlDag said:
I find emby pretty stable when I can login, but their emby connect thing is not half as well made as plex.tv. they allow for fully offline use though, which is a big advantage.
We completely disagree on this one. I very much prefer the Emby way of managing user accounts where all the info is directly on the server and no need for a middle man. Having the ability to link central accounts with different servers (Emby Link) is just icing on the cake in my book. This style of login allows complete use of all local media to all accounts on the local network with or without internet access.
@Elijah_Baley said:
BTW: I was very pleased to see this in the post:Or, if you’re a grinch-type person, you can disable this new behavior altogether.
It looks like Plex may finally be learning from earlier missteps. Hope springs eternal.
It’s similar but different then Boxed sets in Emby. Plex allows combining anything into a collection. For example my Rush DVD/BluRay releases along with all albums and all interviews are part of a collection.
You can do things if you want like take the Baywatch movies and Baywatch TV show as well as Baywatch Nights and combine them into a collection. Collections don’'t have to be just movies in Plex.
Also a movie can be part of different collections. For example Star Wars 1977 could be part of “Star Wars Trilogy”, “Star Wars (all)”, “George Lucas” & “Harrison Ford” Collections. That’s pretty cool.
The only thing I wish we had was the ability to specify on the server the minimum amount of items needed to be a collection during display. For example you could set this to 3 and only collections with 3 or more items would display. This would allow you to setup Raiders of the Lost Ark and Crystal Skull as part of Indiana Jones but it wouldn’t show that collection yet until you added one of the other movies. This would allow works in progress. It would also allow you to play with using 2 or 3 as the minimum to see what you prefer on your system.
But overall Collections on Plex are very well done and with a bit of manual tuning will be very powerful when all the clients support it.
Carlo
PS I’m also very thankful the ability to turn this on or off or display the movies and collections at the same time are library dependent and server based (not client based)!!!
Just to revisit this Emby has not, it appears, fixed most (maybe all) of the problems I was having. At this point I am VERY unsure about which system I want to use and I really have no idea how to choose.
My old brain is just not up to making choices as difficult and complex as this has now become.
Oh well I guess that is what God gave us beer for:
“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Benjamin Franklin
@Elijah_Baley said:
Just to revisit this Emby has not, it appears, fixed most (maybe all) of the problems I was having. At this point I am VERY unsure about which system I want to use and I really have no idea how to choose.My old brain is just not up to making choices as difficult and complex as this has now become.
Oh well I guess that is what God gave us beer for:
“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Benjamin Franklin
Use Kodi?
@KarlDag said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
Just to revisit this Emby hasnot, it appears, fixed most (maybe all) of the problems I was having. At this point I am VERY unsure about which system I want to use and I really have no idea how to choose.My old brain is just not up to making choices as difficult and complex as this has now become.
Oh well I guess that is what God gave us beer for:
“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Benjamin FranklinUse Kodi?
Just to follow up I put not where it did not belong and then I did not notice that the post did not say what I wanted it to say. My proof reading is not perfect.
As far as Kodi goes I detest its user interface and I cannot find a skin that is even decent for me and it does not even exist on my favorite client, Roku. I do not understand what so many people see in Kodi because it does not even have a server function and it is for me VERY clumsy to use and the Plex or Emby implementations in it actually, again for me, make playing my media harder.
I just want the ability to play my media from anywhere in my house as easily as possible and now both Plex and Emby are giving me that and that is why I am undecided as to which I want to use.
Kodi is my current backup that runs on the same PC as my Plex server, which is attached to my rarely used gargantuan TV in the basement. The user interface is of little consequence to me since it gets little use.
My purposes for looking at Emby would be DVR and Remote stream based. It would be a hard move for me though, as I’d have to teach my Mom another UI. I figure this wouldn’t hurt Plex at all, since they already have my lifetime subscription. Even if I did more than moonlight in another world, I’d still keep a foot firmly planted in this one.
And, @Elijah_Baley, you quoted Sir Charles in the other post. 
(figured I’d move that conversation to the more relevant thread)
@Elijah_Baley said:
@KarlDag said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
Just to revisit this Emby hasnot, it appears, fixed most (maybe all) of the problems I was having. At this point I am VERY unsure about which system I want to use and I really have no idea how to choose.My old brain is just not up to making choices as difficult and complex as this has now become.
Oh well I guess that is what God gave us beer for:
“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Benjamin FranklinUse Kodi?
Just to follow up I put not where it did not belong and then I did not notice that the post did not say what I wanted it to say. My proof reading is not perfect.
As far as Kodi goes I detest its user interface and I cannot find a skin that is even decent for me and it does not even exist on my favorite client, Roku. I do not understand what so many people see in Kodi because it does not even have a server function and it is for me VERY clumsy to use and the Plex or Emby implementations in it actually, again for me, make playing my media harder.
I just want the ability to play my media from anywhere in my house as easily as possible and now both Plex and Emby are giving me that and that is why I am undecided as to which I want to use.
Well, if emby has fixed everything and you’re unhappy with Plex, why would you stay here? Seems easy to me.
Wait, are you THE guy waiting for the podcast feature?
@KarlDag said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
@KarlDag said:
@Elijah_Baley said:
Just to revisit this Emby hasnot, it appears, fixed most (maybe all) of the problems I was having. At this point I am VERY unsure about which system I want to use and I really have no idea how to choose.My old brain is just not up to making choices as difficult and complex as this has now become.
Oh well I guess that is what God gave us beer for:
“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Benjamin FranklinUse Kodi?
Just to follow up I put not where it did not belong and then I did not notice that the post did not say what I wanted it to say. My proof reading is not perfect.
As far as Kodi goes I detest its user interface and I cannot find a skin that is even decent for me and it does not even exist on my favorite client, Roku. I do not understand what so many people see in Kodi because it does not even have a server function and it is for me VERY clumsy to use and the Plex or Emby implementations in it actually, again for me, make playing my media harder.
I just want the ability to play my media from anywhere in my house as easily as possible and now both Plex and Emby are giving me that and that is why I am undecided as to which I want to use.
Well, if emby has fixed everything and you’re unhappy with Plex, why would you stay here? Seems easy to me.
Wait, are you THE guy waiting for the podcast feature?
I have no interest in podcasts. But I do want true fully functional audiobook support but neither Plex or Emby have that. There are at least three reasons I stay with Plex or at least sit on the fence:
- I like Plex’s Roku app a little better than Embys.
- Plex is more mature as a system than Emby and more mature usually means less likely to have little irritations.
- I find Plex’s web management while not better more comfortable for me and the way I manage my media.
However not one of those is a big difference to me hence my difficulty deciding which system to go with.
Making the choice for me is not easy making me feel, at this time, like a soccer coach faced with having two star goalkeepers that are nearly equal in all respects. You are confident in both but, for the good of the team, at some point you must decide on the number one starter.
@AmazingRando24 said:
Kodi is my current backup that runs on the same PC as my Plex server, which is attached to my rarely used gargantuan TV in the basement. The user interface is of little consequence to me since it gets little use.My purposes for looking at Emby would be DVR and Remote stream based. It would be a hard move for me though, as I’d have to teach my Mom another UI. I figure this wouldn’t hurt Plex at all, since they already have my lifetime subscription. Even if I did more than moonlight in another world, I’d still keep a foot firmly planted in this one.
And, @Elijah_Baley, you quoted Sir Charles in the other post.
(figured I’d move that conversation to the more relevant thread)
You are correct. Now if you deduce this source of this quote from my memory so it may be slightly off you get a gold star:
“I just love Charles Barkley, you can watch a thought form in his head and pass straight out his mouth without pausing in between.”
The DVR is another reason I am on the fence as, due to poor/no local signal, I have had to set up recording at a friend’s place 30 or so miles away and I am not sure how Emby would work long term without supervision. Of course I could just keep Plex’s DVR there and transfer the files as I am doing now but I prefer to use the same system for both.
Oh well. My problem is not truly important as I do have two systems that work pretty well. Sigh
