I miss Doppelganger

I’ve been listening to PlexAmp the last few days without the Doppelganger enhancement (due to the Tidal change - my plan’s billing was fairly early in the Tidal change-over). Still love PlexAmp, but, boy, how I miss the Tidal integration. Doppelganger just sits there - grayed out and unavailable to me now.

There is nothing like it I can find. I’ve tried using Music Assistant with Home Assistant and building AI-generated playlists and using a tailored “Radio Mode”. Not even close!

With a Tidal wave of sadness,
A Plex Fan

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We have a replacement being worked on, which uses instead libraries shared with you …

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Great to hear. What does “libraries shared with you” mean exactly? Are you talking about a complete replacement for Tidal, or just for the Doppelganger DJ?

I don’t know anyone else who uses Plex, so my first thought is, there’s nobody to share my library with and vice versa.

The music libraries of other users with their own Plex servers.

Great. Hopefully there will be a way to filter only libraries that are FLAC or WAV files. I’m curious how this will work. I’m on a fairly standard Xfinity connection and the max is 20 mpbs up. That’s barely enough upstream if both my wife and I are listening to Plexamp at the same time (away from home) and I’m accessing my PC remotely via Parsec.

The bitrate of a WAV stereo file in CD quality is 1.4 mbps. In flac format it is usually ~65% to 85% of that.
Since Plexamp is always downloading (part of) the play queue in advance, you have plenty of headroom with a 20mbps upstream – even if the mobile connection is spotty.
Plus, you will hardly be able to hear the difference between a lossless and a 256 kbps Opus version when out and about, with all the noise around you.

Not sure this is relevant with a working Plex remote access setup.

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Thanks! The comment about Parsec is that using it takes up 10-15 mpbs of my upstream bandwidth (and I often use it every day to access my home PC from my office), so if like 10 other Plex users are accessing my library to fill in gaps for Sonic Adventures, Guest DJ, etc then my upstream will be saturated trying to also stream songs to those other users.

It is completely up to you whether you are sharing your library at all.
And if you do, with whom and with how many of them.

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Good to know - except I don’t share my libraries and don’t plan on peering with anyone else. But, I do appreciate efforts to expand libraries. I just wish it could be more like Qobuz or a service that had “nearly everything”.

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Agreed - was really hoping for Qobuz integration.

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Same – I would prefer Qobuz. Sharing libraries sounds like an interesting hack, but I don’t know how I’d find one or two other users who have libraries that are similar enough to mine yet have a ton of different tracks that I’d like to hear. It seems like it wouldn’t be super effective for new releases and such either, because nobody would have that stuff in their libraries yet and how could I be sure to share libraries with someone who does?

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Is there no way to run this on my local Plex server with a Coral USB stick?

I think maybe you posted in the wrong thread?

Nope. This is about AI-generated playlists. Coral is an AI processor you can add to your PC or server.

Sure, I can use another service for this, but I’d rather just do it locally.

How would using this Coral thing solve the problem of not having access to an online streaming service to fill gaps in your library / discover new music / find the “doppelganger” track?

AI does not address the integration issue. Running AI against my personal collection is already baked into PlexAmp, but without a provider integration, it’s just limited to my ~18,000 ripped tunes. I want more - and more surprises. Even AI can’t deliver that. Yet.

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I didn’t consider using an online provider. That could be nice for sure.

I get how it works now; although, I didn’t originally when posting.

I’ve had YouTube Music through my YouTube Premium family subscription, and there’s no integration anywhere for that, so it never occurred to me you could have that all in your one Plex app! :+1:

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