[Implemented] Fully Disable Discover & search results from Streaming Services (More Ways To Watch)

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It was not just a switch being flipped. Many things were changed in the backend and changing them back is not as easy. Removing the single file of the 64 bit version from the downloads was easy in comparison and could potentially harm their computer. I’m sorry but not going to get into detail of how things work in back end.

That employee was already spoken to he is not “in trouble” or anything. and he even offered to say what I said here himself but I did not want him to get more flack so I decided to take over any more comments and take any flack myself. He is awesome and I love working with him and as helped more folks with complex issues than I can count as you mentioned.

I simply didn’t see his comment as it is a huge topic and just missed it and deleting it so far after the fact without commenting and the need to reference it since it had been referenced by others already.

To be clear I know some won’t like this but we are not going to comment on every feature request regardless of how passionate folks may be about it. Folks want what they want, or in some cases like this, don’t want what they don’t want, and levels of passion vary. The goal is not to judge any request. We mostly will only comment if it is a duplicate, to get clarity, or to announce it is being done in whole or part. Due to already understanding this request and understanding many folks need to vent I personally saw no need to comment until decisions were made which @Atomatth was already providing as he had info to share. Else it becomes a circular debate about why/when this or that, looking for definitive answers about things that have not been decided or figured out yet, etc. And there are many other topics and things to do.

As far as deleting posts that you think were not inappropriate, I agree they generally should not be. But I’m also not going to tolerate regular trolls who think they know how to ride the fence of appropriateness, derailing, spamming, etc (they know who they are and am not going to comment further about it.). I have a pretty thick skin for most things and generally leave things alone, other have less tolerance due to where they grew up in their culture/family/etc. (there have been many posts in this thread that were flagged as inappropriate by other subscribed/paying users and the flags were overturned)

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Yes, it was plex embed the code for much before in most of the code was toggled on…
Really it happened in hours no one got this by updating anything.

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“just” - there were other things changed as well

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What?

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As I already said

and I am not going to get into a circular debate about it. even if you don’t like that answer

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your circular…l

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Are you saying Plex does not employ any kind of backup or Rollback? Because that is absurd & nobody here is going to believe that. Maybe not “turned off as quickly as it was turned on” but the fact that family accounts, from people who don’t have porn movies or services on their servers, seeing porn in search & discover took like 3 weeks to fix. There was no reason it should have taken that long when it would have taken no more than a day, two max to do a rollback to previous version.

I don’t think anyone here have a problem with him. He was answering questions, being courteous to everyone, giving us the information he thought to be correct. The reason people dislike that you are “Throwing him under the bus” is because this thread has a good relationship with him, then you came in & talk at us instead of to us, make it clear that what you are saying is speaking down to us, & you keep referring to him in ways that make him sound like the bad guy, that make him the scapegoat. If he had come in & said “Hey guys, I just wanna let you know I learned the information I gave you was incorrect, I didn’t have all the details & made assumptions, I’m sorry, here’s what it really is” we would have received it with, maybe annoyance, but much better than your

“Who said it was Contractual Obligations? Nobody said that”

that we had to fight with you to show proof that it was indeed said. Then you went on to say

“That’s not true. I’m not going to give you details, just reiterate the Privacy Policy & say ‘We don’t get money from anyone for it’”

which is hard to believe for many with your word being the whole of the evidence to support it & then give vague avoidance sentences about why

“disabling it would cause everything to break”
&
“Any posts we removed were because the person who posted was horrible & swearing up a storm & threatening us”

& go on to tell us

“You don’t matter because there are more people who have clicked on it so that must mean each of them loves it & that’s more than your 1000 votes against it”

If your goal was really to protect him you did a very poor job of it, because you only seem to be trying to burry him further.

EDIT: Note: These are not quotes, rather they are how the messages relayed appear to members here reading it.

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So you are not actually going to quote me just make your own rephrasing of various things I said to suit what you want to believe.

I didn’t say no none said that. I asked who told you that in this post so could understand what was going on.

I’m not going down your road of misquotes.

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I wasn’t quoting what you said, I was explaining to you what the ideas you were relaying from the things you said sounded like to those reading them. If I was quoting you I would have used an actual quote

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I said something that was three words. You decided it meant a completely other thing. Which relays to me that you only want to hear which suits what you want to believe.

I’m not going down that road.

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I think those are your interpretations LOTL.

They are not my view and they did come across as quotes, unfortunately.

The original question(s) asked in this thread are being addressed, albeit a lot slower than the initial rollout.

It would appear all the information that can be shared has been shared so as has been said, it is now wait and see.

Anything more serves no purpose.

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I still think that’s a very valid question. What would have happened if this change had completely broken Plex? Will it be a lottery if the following updates don’t break the entire system and Plex disappears?

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I appreciate your being here and explaining things. I think almost everything valuable about displeasure and suggestions has already been said, and most of what’s currently floating are circular discussions. Thank you for having the patience to sort that out.

Also, huge thanks to @ChuckPa for stepping in and taking early fire when users were looking for answers. I think his efforts deserve a ton of credit for standing there and taking heat for as long as he did.

They can’t code these things overnight. I get it.

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I got the third call/message today, with a screenshot “could not find anywhere to watch this episode” telling me my server has a problem, the show is there but not indexed or whatever.
This is really confusing for people
@BigWheel pls work on a better separation between personal media and whatever it is you guys are going for. It’s already confusing for me as an IT guy, I can’t imagine how confusing that is for non tech ppl.
This is really frustrating.

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@BigWheel @elan what about 2 separates apps?

“PLEX: Free Movies & TV”
With the 50 000 Plex’s free movies and Discovery and Watchlist and everything you want to do and add for your business. For millions of people that uses streaming services but never ripped a dvd or a blueray, and doesn’t care about personnal media.
You could even call it “PLEX: Movies and TV” and charge 5$ per mounth to use this new Streaming Service (2/3$ if you have already a Plex Pass).
With millions of users, it could be a great deal for them and a great source of revenue for Plex don’t you think?

and

“PLEX: My Personnal Media”
With what plex is, a server/client app with our personnal media.
Focusing on having the best app to read our content, fixing bugs and maybe less feature (that features that obviously will be develop for “PLEX: Movies and TV”). As admins we will know that plex wil be focusing on our needs in this app and we will not doubt anymore if we should leave plex to another competitor.

It would make a BIG difference on how your users will see you and anderstand how to use Plex

Everyone will know where their feet are.

I’m sure it can be a WIN/WIN !

Edit: tagged Elan here just in case this idea may be interesting someone up there :slight_smile:

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I know these are numbers Plex can’t share, but it would be interesting to see the number of active (within 30 days) users there are that don’t have access to a friend’s server. That seems to be the audience Plex is looking to grow.

The suggestion above is incredibly intriguing to the server owner… but I can’t see it floating successfully with Plex wanting to expand its revenue base. In order to do so, they basically have to take the user base as a whole along with them… because I bet the number I asked about above is smaller than they’d like.

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But that wouldn’t be Win/Win, That’s just the JustWatch App with Plex’s name on it. That wouldn’t make anyone happy. Those who like it like that it can reach both. Like you can search Chromecast for a movie & it’ll show you at least most of the streaming services here, but it won’t tell me if it’s on my server. For me that’s not so big a deal, but for my family it’s nice, though they are managed users so haven’t been able to use it yet. If someone has access to multiple servers even more so. If my Sister & Brother & Dad had Plex servers of their own & one got the new season of a show I watch but I haven’t yet I might want to watch it & see if it’s on a streaming service. If I do, I’ll see that my sister uploaded it to her server so I can watch it, if nobody has I’ll see where I can watch it or if it’ll cost money & decide to wait until I get it. If it was either/or I’d just have to look on one, then on the other, it’d be no different from looking now on Chromecast or trakt.tv & my own server.

But the idea has merit for sure, a “Classic Plex” & a “Plex Movies & TV” would be useful for those who want Plex just for Personal Server with the Classic Plex App, & those who want the mix with the PM&T app. & since the server is not a part of that you could have people using the same server from both apps, So if my brother doesn’t have any streaming service subscriptions he can use the Classic app, while the rest of us who do can use the PM&T app, then it really IS Win/Win.

EDIT: I just realized something, they just changed the logo, so they could easily differentiate between the 2 by having the Classic Plex use the Classic Logo it’s perfect

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So the mandate from Kleiner Perkins on your series C funding provides absolutely zero guidance on revenue generation from clicking onto those results, even if commented out for the time being?

That is much more tailored towards paid marketing — like getting integrated into the search capabilities for devices like Roku, Fire TV or Vizio, etc. But then, also, using [search engine marketing] and Facebook and other, even on-device paid marketing programs to get people to get in and start watching something,”

Seems like Valory is in conflict with this statement. Do you think none of us on this forum has ever worked in VC or on the startup side?

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That sounds an awful lot like he’s talking about Plex paying for marketing (and getting integrated into other devices/platforms search engines), rather than the other way round…

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With the big difference that Plex is developping is own catalogue with over 50,000 free on-demand titles plus over 250 channels of instant Live TV.

That is a plus for them and make even more sense to have 2 separates apps :slight_smile: