Move to Emby is completed. Report.

@chyron8472 said:
So, now that it’s been a little while since this all went down, what are your present impressions of Emby?

I like it a LOT. There are many things that I see as “better” in Emby but the main usability things for me are Emby has collections that actually work well and are easy to manage and Emby does NOT intrude into the watching process with the absolutely stupid “post play” screen that requires an extra keypress to return to where you launched the previous show.

Emby has some lacks like it is difficult to play a previously started video from the beginning. What I mean is if you press “play” on a partially played video it starts playing at the previously stopped point. the only way to start from the beginning is to press “select” on the show and then choose “play from the beginning” or yo rewind all the way back to the start. Plex, in the same situation, pops up a dialog allowing a choice between “start from the previous position” and “start from the beginning.” In this case I like the Plex behavior better.

There are many other differences between Plex and Emby and, mostly, it is a tie for “better.” The reason I am sticking whit Emby is simple. Plex has become a bad, greedy, unresponsive company while Emby does not exhibit the problems that Plex has shown over the last few years.

I’m growing to like it too, and whilst there are some things Plex does better, the same can be said for emby

The forum doesn’t like different bullet points, so (+)

  • I have complete control over my server without any need for the server or clients to be logged into the emby.media service (not sure how you can say the data mining between emby and Plex is identical, as it’s not even close)
  • Premiere features are available to all users, including friends and family
  • Support from the emby team in the forums is excellent and very responsive
  • Collections are great, although I still miss Smart Playlists
  • Live TV (including support for IPTV) is much better, with a usable TV Guide in a traditional grid format

and (-)

  • The UI/UX isn’t quite as nice, although the more I use it the less I miss Plex. It doesn’t feel as quick to find things but some of that is probably me still getting used to it
  • I don’t like the Premiere device limits, or specifically not knowing or being able to decide which devices are using that functionality.
  • Library scans are taking long in emby, and you can only schedule full scans rather than individual libraries

When I switched, I thought I might still use Plex locally (without the server being connected to plex.tv) and use emby for external access, but I haven’t watched anything using Plex since switching. Some of that is down to the Apple TV client not working without being connected to plex.tv, but I have the Simple X app so could have used that.

I’m still disappointed in Plex Inc. but it doesn’t look like they have any plans to change course, so I’m still glad that I jumped ship. I would have really loved the News feature :wink:

@adrianwi said:
I’m growing to like it too, and whilst there are some things Plex does better, the same can be said for emby

The forum doesn’t like different bullet points, so (+)

  • I have complete control over my server without any need for the server or clients to be logged into the emby.media service (not sure how you can say the data mining between emby and Plex is identical, as it’s not even close)
  • Premiere features are available to all users, including friends and family
  • Support from the emby team in the forums is excellent and very responsive
  • Collections are great, although I still miss Smart Playlists
  • Live TV (including support for IPTV) is much better, with a usable TV Guide in a traditional grid format

and (-)

  • The UI/UX isn’t quite as nice, although the more I use it the less I miss Plex. It doesn’t feel as quick to find things but some of that is probably me still getting used to it
  • I don’t like the Premiere device limits, or specifically not knowing or being able to decide which devices are using that functionality.
  • Library scans are taking long in emby, and you can only schedule full scans rather than individual libraries

When I switched, I thought I might still use Plex locally (without the server being connected to plex.tv) and use emby for external access, but I haven’t watched anything using Plex since switching. Some of that is down to the Apple TV client not working without being connected to plex.tv, but I have the Simple X app so could have used that.

I’m still disappointed in Plex Inc. but it doesn’t look like they have any plans to change course, so I’m still glad that I jumped ship. I would have really loved the News feature :wink:

  1. Plexpass functions are available to anybody connecting on your server as far as I know.
  2. Go to manage server - library - click the three dots on a library - scan library is there
  3. Did you try DVR? LiveTV works well for me with my hdhomerun in AndroidTV and HDHomerun apps, but DVR messes up a lot for some reason… haven’t paid for the DVR in Emby yet so can’t try it.

@adrianwi said:
I would have really loved the News feature :wink:

True! Here in Europe we are really lacking US news. It’s a shame. Total disaster. Soo sad …

I have a few niggles that really are holding me back from dropping Plex for Emby. I access media a lot on my phone, and Emby’s UI for accessing specific locally synced content is almost laughable. Also, although “Books” is an available content type in Emby, its implementation feels barely out of beta. I can’t use Emby to read ebooks nor launch an external reader; and I can’t play chapter-split audiobooks properly.

I don’t see why Plex and Emby have such severely limited audiobook support. Surely the market for audiobooks is not that tiny, is it?

Lots of people here make a compelling case for Emby. If they continue to roll out the newer UI to more devices then there’s no reason to stick around.
It’s a shame. I invested Lifetime in this company because I loved what they did. I’m still amazed that they’re trumpeting the new UI design as some sort of feat of excellence on the main website.

@AmazingRando24 said:
I’m still amazed that they’re trumpeting the new UI design as some sort of feat of excellence on the main website.

There is absolutely something bad in the water they’re drinking at Plex HQ.

@KarlDag said:

  1. Plexpass functions are available to anybody connecting on your server as far as I know.
  2. Go to manage server - library - click the three dots on a library - scan library is there
  3. Did you try DVR? LiveTV works well for me with my hdhomerun in AndroidTV and HDHomerun apps, but DVR messes up a lot for some reason… haven’t paid for the DVR in Emby yet so can’t try it.
  1. Not if they are added as friends
  2. I know you can run a manual scan, but I’d really like to be able to schedule TV and Movies more regularly than Music, Home Video and Pictures (over 40,000 which takes some time)
  3. I’ve set-up a few shows using the DVR functionality, and it’s worked fine, but I’m not really using in anger. It seems more solid than the Plex implementation though, which regularly missed recordings as they hadn’t been picked up in the schedule or just didn’t start them at all)

While I’m a Ninja dedicated to Plex I’ve ran both Emby and Plex for years together. I’m pretty well versed on both and since I’m a C/C++ programmer as a profession and my development environment of choice is .NET using Visual Studio I like Plex a lot (as a programmer). :slight_smile:

I think both of them get some stuff right and some stuff wrong. Personally I wish they would copy the good from each other as we the users benefit that way.

@adrianwi said:

  • Live TV (including support for IPTV) is much better, with a usable TV Guide in a traditional grid format
    Plex’s DVR “EPG” is fine for setting up movies and especially TV Shows that record on their own, week after week. It’s probably more intuitive then a grid view.

For LiveTV viewing it sucks badly. A Grid view is so much easier to tune to a specific channel when you KNOW what you want to watch. EG. Tune to CNN or Fox News. When actually watching LiveTV in either interface they should both learn to channel up or down when you press the UP or DOWN button. Both camps should play with LiveChannels on the ShieldTV to learn how easy LiveTV can be. It’s super quick, changes channels fast and is super simple to setup recordings.

  • The UI/UX isn’t quite as nice, although the more I use it the less I miss Plex. It doesn’t feel as quick to find things but some of that is probably me still getting used to it

Plex by far has better interfaces generally speaking, from the server to the individual clients. Emby is slower to respond.

  • I don’t like the Premiere device limits, or specifically not knowing or being able to decide which devices are using that functionality.
    That’s a nasty direction change they “recently” made. I’m grandfathered so this doesn’t affect me but they should re-think this. Emby is become far less “open source” and moving to closed sources. They’ve pulled several clients in the last year and are now pushing their paid service hard. They are trying to copy Plex’s Plex Pass but are a bit to aggressive and their “pop ups” are quite annoying.

Their premium device limits are super confusing to almost everyone and isn’t clearly specified, nor can you as the admin determine what devices to allow or not. So your friends could get one of your “licenses” while you have to pay if you add a new device (not smart).

  • Library scans are taking long in emby, and you can only schedule full scans rather than individual libraries
    10 times longer at least. Emby can be very frustrating waiting for libs to load. The plus side is they go directly to the meta-data sites without using a middle man. The con is that they have to throttle the calls to not get you banned. With Plex you hit their proxy servers and they are quick and you have no fear of getting banned. If Emby did something similar with a proxy (and direct as fallback) they would have the best of both worlds.

I currently use Emby as my main DVR while Plex sorts out their issues. But I can’t use it as my daily driver. The ShieldTV client is full of bugs and often wants to transcode files that it should clearly direct play.

Anyone with limited upload bandwidth on their server will do far better using Plex then Emby with the ABR feature as it can adjust the bandwidth used to maximize your upload bandwidth. So if you only have 5 to 10Mb upload bandwidth and need/want to support 1 or 2 simultaneous external clients Plex is clearly the better choice streaming wise.

As a developer and what I’d call a SUPER POWER USER of media servers with a large library I vastly appreciate the extra options Emby has that allows me to tune my system more for a lot of things (shame there isn’t more control over bandwidth). However Emby’s server dashboard has no rhyme or reason to where you find options. You have to go hunting for settings at times and they aren’t where you think they should be.

For me the make it or break it for Emby vs Plex use is that all the Plex clients I need work and half the Emby clients still have issues. If I can’t reliably play my content then no amount of server options make it useful as a daily driver for me. It’s getting there but isn’t ready for prime time yet. They need a UI makeover badly.

Don’t get me wrong, Emby has a lot of nice features I wish Plex had or did the same way such as negative filters, collections, User accounts, Emby Connect, ability to select what hubs you want and what order they appear. Emby is by far more flexible but just doesn’t work as well overall.

  • Library scans are taking long in emby, and you can only schedule full scans rather than individual libraries
    In server dashboard click the LIBRARY MENU choice on the left. Now in the right pane click the 3 dots on a library option, click SCAN LIBRARY

Thanks, but I know how to manually run the scans. It would be nice to be able to schedule a specific library for a specific time, and all libraries for another time. With Plex I just had it set to scan every hour as a full scan with a couple of changes only took a few minutes. If I set emby up like that, it won’t have finished the scan before the next one starts! My two biggest libraries, in terms of the number of files, are music and photos and they don’t change that often, so don’t need scanning that often either.

I’d still prefer to be using Plex, but they’ve forced me away by making everything connect to plex.tv for it to work and removing any controls I had over the data collected about my server. These two alone, make the compromises acceptable to me, and the aTV and iOS clients on emby are OK and probably my main devices for media consumption.

@adamstewiegreen said:
I got a (partial) refund for my lifetime plex membership and went over to emby to check it out. First thing I noticed is that the menus load a lot slower in Emby. Second thing: it’s ugly.

Yes, terribly slow and very ugly.

Emby doesn’t support DVD order for TV series. That hurt me with Firefly

@rykr said:

@adamstewiegreen said:
I got a (partial) refund for my lifetime plex membership and went over to emby to check it out. First thing I noticed is that the menus load a lot slower in Emby. Second thing: it’s ugly.

Yes, terribly slow and very ugly.

I’m still using Emby, and while it’s (very) ugly, and slow, these don’t affect me much because their kodi integration is top-notch (kodi updates from the server are very fast and GRID is a great skin!!). I also discovered that meta-data downloading slowly is only an issue when there is a lot of metadata to download. It updates small batches just as fast as plex. I also have none of the fire tv problems using emby, and none of the live tv/dvr issues. Actually, because they allow other apps to play videos (e.g. VLC), live tv loads much faster than plex (I almost sent my tv tuner back when I saw how slow the channels loaded - and all the errors!), and I have shows setup on dvr about 5 days a week and the only issue I had was on the very first day, every program since has recorded, with no glitches (I never got anything to record from beginning to end with plex).

So yes, Emby has issues (slow to load initially and ugly), but considering what they’re doing with a fraction of the budget/staff, I’ll stick with the little guy. Have fun watching the news. :wink:

@cayars said:
Technical differences aside for me it’s mostly the corporation Plex that’s worrying the heck out of me, with the privacy policy thing, the news fiasco and the non existent communication with their customers.

@stefanvanruiten said:

@cayars said:
Technical differences aside for me it’s mostly the corporation Plex that’s worrying the heck out of me, with the privacy policy thing, the news fiasco and the non existent communication with their customers.

They don’t just not communicate with their customers. HQ and the the client dev teams don’t communicate with each other.

If you look in this thread in the Windows Store App section of the forum, ChuckPA basically says his dev team has heard not much more than a shrug out of the Windows Store app’s dev team, and he says he’s not in a position to pound his fist at corporate about getting them to confirm whether said app is still officially being supported or not.

So their inter-office communication is also lacking, not just their customer support.

To be clear, I’m really happy for and appreciative of the effort @ChuckPA went to in being helpful. But I’m disappointed that his efforts to get more info, despite his being an an actual employee of Plex, Inc., turned out similarly as fruitless as if it came from us.

:wink: :smiley:

The biggest distributed team I ever led was about 50 people on 6 continents. Lessons learned: it doesn’t work. NOT A SINGLE BIT.

That’s why all the wording reads like Chinese to Yiddish to English assembly instructions for your Ikea Entertainment Center… and nobody - anywhere - knows WTF is going on.

So Plex has finally reimplemented disc subheadings for multi-disc audio albums on Plex Web, and word on the street is that they may be implementing nested Collections very soon.

For those that missed my post backing out of this move a bit: