New music Metadata agent doesn't like compilation albums or albums by multiple artists

How MusicBrainz represents its data has no bearing on usability. It is merely a database that gathers and holds as much data as possible. It is not used to interact with ones own music collection.

Go back to the original collection of LPs. I certainly don’t regret the loss of the vinyl LP, but albums had to be sorted in some way if you wanted to be able to find one and sorted by artist was an ideal way to do it. So you searched for the artist’s LPs, then for the exact album you wanted to play. There was no ability to view and search by track only artists.

I realise we have moved on, but there’s no getting away from the fact that a 600 item list is just about usable, but when it’s thousands of items long, it’s far less so. I used to have a car that could only deal with 500 artists in the list. It was bad enough losing just the 100 or so higher alphabetically artists, but include all the track artists and I would have access to only a fraction of my collection.

That is not the reason for my point of view, but it illustrates an actual practical problem.

I have to say I consider this requirement typical of modern thinking, just throw everything in together without care or thought, but it only works for small collections. Those with larger collections (and many have much larger than my meagre approx. 2000 albums) have to be able to successfully navigate the data and that requires more precise control of the data that is presented.

I am not alone in this and Apple themselves introduced the ‘Compilation’ flag to deal with the problem. Now you want to just throw every artist all in together? Madness. But you can do it iTunes if you want.

Since no-one is going to be on here asking for change when Plex already operates the correct way for them, I suspect there are more users who require it as it is, than those who believe they need to see every track artist in their artists list.

However, as I already said, I would have no objection if there was an option to do this, so we could all be happy. In fact it could be a simple option to prioritise either the AlbumArtist or track Artist (as indeed iTunes has). This would I believe satisfy both camps.

I’m not joking when I say that if Plex forced a ‘prioritise track Artist’ modus operandi on us, I would be forced to discard Plex and search for an alternative. It would be impossible for me (and I suspect others with larger collections) to continue with such an impossibly large artists list, the majority of which would be artists in which I have NO interest in considering in isolation.

I would however wholeheartedly support the ability to include an artists’ tracks from Various Artist compilations and also if Plex could successfully deal with multiple item tags, so multiple artists can be specified and with the relevant content then accessible under either artist. Also allowing an artist search to find any occurrence of the (track or Album)Artist name being searched for.

Here’s a thought. Currently Plex allows the user the view everything by Artist. If they renamed that to ‘Album Artist’ (which it actually is) and added a new view option of ‘Artist’ which displayed a list of all the track artists, that would instantly provide both ways of viewing, without needing to introduce any new settings option to choose which. Since they have the data required, this would not be hard to achieve and as I said, instantly satisfies all our requirements.

An option is fine.

This is a decent solution that would give us both what we want. :slight_smile:

Suggest it to the Plex team as a request.

Best thing would indeed be for Plex to have an optional “only show artists with albums in artist list” setting, this would make everyone happy. I agree though that the current situation where the UI suggests Plex has an Artist list, but which actually only contains Album Artists is just counterintuitive/confusing.

I find it entirely logical. Track artists are of very little interest to me and would have never appeared in any LP collection, way back when. I want them to be displayed when actually playing, if different from the AlbumArtist, but as far as I’m concerned they must NEVER clutter up my artist list.

But, as per my earlier suggestion, Plex should simply provide the ability to view both by Album Artist AND by All (track) Artists. So everyone has what they need.

Various artitsts is not an artist. It should not be the literal name of an album artist. I could start a band literally called “various artists” and your approach will fail to differentiate my band and other compilations. The itunes approach to compilations is the most logical and scientific.

But iTunes ‘Compilation’ flag does not differentiate between a ‘Various Artists’ album and a compilation of one particular artists’ music.

It also puts all compilations into the Artists list under the name ‘Compilations’ which quite frankly is even less of a real artist than ‘Various Artists’ and just as easily confused if an actual artist/band took the name ‘Compilations’.

Does MusicBrainz not use ‘Various Artist’ to denote such a compilation?

Neither approach is perfect and there are flaws easy to see in both approaches.

I previously suggested that Plex should allow the user to configure any strings they want to be used to identify a Various Artists/Compilation album. That would allow the user to ensure that the identifying string was readable and understandable to them (in whatever language they prefer) and also could be chosen to ensure NO possible confusion with any actual artist name of any music they have.

Any suggestion that such compilations, grouped under whatever actual heading should not appear in the Artists list because it’s not a real artist, is just nitpicking. It HAS to be listed somewhere so users can access that music and within the Artists list is the most logical place to list it since it IS the AlbumArtist and hence should appear in the list of AlbumArtists.

Another of my suggestions is for Plex to provide 2 options for viewing by artist. So there’d be an option to view by ‘Album Artist’ and another to view by ‘Track Artist’. The former would include entries for any strings configured by the user to represent ‘Various Artists’, whereas the latter would not, as every track artist would be listed.

With those 2 changes, it seems Plex would be able to accommodate all requirements for this facet of music management as I’ve seen requested on the forum.

I have a collection of the Dutch charts ever since 1950: some 19.000 mp3-files of which I have changed meta data of some 25% now. Changing meta data of each file (name of Artist and AlbumArtist are the same, AlbumName is for example ‘Top 40 - 1999’ and Year is ’ 1999’ ) worked fine: the agents would list the right picture and biography and I could choose an artist en see in which years he had a song in the different charts/years. Until the new update, I think, because now every new mp3-file I tag as before, will be recognized as ’ Various Artists’.

In iTunes when I use the Compilation flag and in album view search for an artist it sorts the albums by the artist and then under those is the list of Compilations which also contain the artist in a separate grouping. I think Plex should do this as well but it doesn’t.

When I don’t use the Compilation flag and do the above it still includes Various Artists albums in the album view artist search results (Plex should also).

I see no difference in artist view in iTunes whether I use the compilation flag or not. It never includes tracks from various artist compilations in artist views.

So iTunes give us both options: viewing artist-only albums in artist view or both artist and compilation albums in album view in artist search results. Plex should also.

In the recent update announcement this was stated:

Plex Media Server 1.20.0.3125 is now available in the beta update channel…(Library) Improve music searching by allowing artist in album searches, and artist and album in track searches.

But I have not been able to find any clarification of how to use this feature in search. I see no changes in the search function or results.

Search still doesn’t seem fully fixed indeed.

Try this: say you have a track called Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen on both a V/A compilation album (the “Wayne’s World” Soundtrack) and on the Queen “Greatest Hits I” album.

search term: bohemian returns both tracks and the two albums (good)
search term: queen bohemian returns only the track on Greatest Hits, and the Greatest Hits album itself (bad, especially since it’s the most likely search term ppl will use)
search term: various bohemian returns the track on the V/A comp, and that album (good)
search term: greatest bohemian returns the track on Greatest Hits, and that album (good)
search term: queen greatest returns the Greatest Hits album (good)
edit:
search term: queen various returns nothing (bad)

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This is interesting. My most wanted search is to find all tracks by an artist whether they are on an artist’s album or a various artist album.
If I want to find all my tracks by Otis Spann the blues singer I type “Otis Spann” in the artist search in iTunes. It returns 98 songs, some on Otis Spann albums, some on VA albums.
But in Plex I search “Otis Spann” and it returns only Otis Spann Album Artist albums and only 30 tracks in the tracks listing. I tried “Otis Spann Various” and it returns nothing. I tried “Spann Various” and it only shows 2 tracks with Spann in the title in Various Artists, both are the same song on the same album.

I believe there’s a max of 30 items that search will return? But yes, search in Plex is somewhat of a black box.

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