Not Allowed to use Hetzner

If there were any evidence that Plex was in compliance with GDPR, you would’ve pointed me to their Data Protection Notice addressing the legal basis for each type of data they collect. You can’t because it doesn’t exist.

But I’ll let you know.

You think so? Plex would disagree with you too. Hence the actions they’re taking. Try again.

That requirement you linked to can be manually disabled and they have no plans as of right now to require it but may change in the future.

This has nothing to do with sharing though because to share the server with other accounts you need to be signed in anyways. It’s moot.

Just face it people. Plex is attacking shared hosting. That’s what it reduces down too. Doesn’t matter if the hosting caters to criminals or not it’s still shared hosting.

Edit: One thing that comes to mind about not having to sign in the server is if the sellers offered up Plex instances that aren’t signed in but for that to work the client would need to manually input the connection details into the client? I have never done this but that itself is a real crude way to sell people services and would be a huge inconvience and very insecure.

Relevance to the fact that Plex is going to block the plex media server from running on Hetzner IPs? The lack of a “Data Protection Notice” from Plex will have zero impact on their decision to block the plex media server from running on Hetzner IPs.

Instead of arguing about irrelevant issues, why not spend your time getting familiar with Emby or Jellyfin?

1 Like

I note that you badly want my attention despite having nothing substantive or informed to say on the subject of my posts.

Hard pass.

Your lack of knowledge of procedural law makes it hard to have any sort of logical discussion about GDPR. Dismissing wholesale a definition in a legal document for the exact thing you are trying to define demonstrates you do not have a grasp on the procedural aspects of the law that you are arguing.

I am not going to waste my time arguing moot points with you.

As I said before, your time is better spent getting familiar with Emby or Jellyfin than arguing about GDPR.

fyi,

plex does not need to know YOUR server ip, to block an entire large block of ips.

this means plex isn’t or doesn’t even need to be targeting a person/account/server specifically, only that any servers within the blocked ip ranges won’t work.

there is no need for individual discrimination, or tracking, and there are no laws that require a service or software provider to provide access to all ips.

whether or not blocking whole ip ranges is good business, or heavy handed, or too little too late, or too lazy, is for surely up for debate.

if you want to see another ongoing brouhaha, google ‘unity drama’

3 Likes

If only there was net neutrality >_>

places like china block whole swaths of the internet, without repercussions or (enough) rivers of outrage to do anything about it.

Are you comparing the actions of Plex to a dictatorship like China?

3 Likes

all companies are dictatorships. benevolent or not, or somewhere in between.

they themselves define how they want to do business, within the limits of laws, and the limits of their customers and to a smaller extent, their employees.

2 Likes

I have planned to host with hetzner in the future. Or an alternative provider. I think it’s a shame and from a German user’s point of view this is against the law.

I don’t see it as Plex’s job to restrict access. If there are serious problems with a hosting provider, legal action can be taken here. Hetzner is not a rogue provider with a mailbox in Dubai.

5 Likes

They have to know my server IP to send me an email telling me I’ll be blocked.

Well, after taking some time to think about that (still miserable) move from Plex to block out Hetzner Users from using Plex I came to the solution to switch ALL my Media from Plex to another solution and support them by paying them.

Plex was a long time the best solution to run his own Mediaserver and share the Media libraries with friends and family.

The reason why I am hosting the Server at Hetzner and not @home is simple: In Germany you have not the best Internet Connections at home, more and more providers are removing the assignment of IPv4 addresses to the customers (all Cable- and most Fibreline providers using DS-Lite) which means you cannot reach your Plex from the outside if the client has NO IPv6 connection (which is also still common in Germany).

A lot of german users who are hosting there Plex servers at Hetzner are having reasons like that.

What does this now mean for me? Well, I will stop using Plex and there services in the next 2 weeks.

It was a long and nice time, thanks for that but no thanks for the move now. Bye Plex.

4 Likes

Possible responses to this:

  • Would you rather your access randomly stopped working on October 12th with you having no idea why?

  • If you don’t want Plex to know your IP the only solution is to stop using Plex as a server owner OR a simple user. Logging into your Plex account is going to alert Plex to your IP address, and even using the free Plex ad-supported content without signing into an account will also expose your IP to Plex – cause that’s how the internet works.

Also, you’re misunderstanding TeknoJunky’s post. he’s saying Plex can choose to block an entire range of IPs without having to know what individual users are or are not on it. They could choose to block a large number of IPs that no Plex servers are signing in from just as a precautionary measure depending on where they are, because no one is obligated to allow all IPs access to their servers to start with.

2 Likes

So you are unaware of all the Chinese people who take action against the state’s surveillance and censorship, many of whom are in prison or worse? Or about all the online movements by Chinese and others outside China against that?

And are you suggesting that because China isn’t seeing any international repercussions to its ridiculous amount of human rights violations due to the West’s dependence on their manufacturing, this is somehow comparable to Plex? :face_with_spiral_eyes:

2 Likes

I get this is a venting thread but this is an intense level of projection.

2 Likes

One thing getting lost in this all is that it would be useful to understand the criteria that is likely to get an IP ranged blocked by Plex.

For example, Hetzer is know to allow many Tor exit nodes, meaning Hetzer is less likely to respond to abuse complaints whereas OVH is known not to be Tor exit node friendly, by comparison.

Having some sort of criteria for those of us outsourcing our hosting due to various limitations, I.e., lack of upload bandwidth at home, no routable ipv4 at home, etc., would be useful.

1 Like

Comparing Plex to a dictatorship like China is not a good look. Were you given the green light from the company to compare it like that?

Hetzner definitely isn’t a rogue provider, they are extremely well known in the tech/server/hosting world, I used them years ago for about 3 years as our upload speeds were terrible.
I went through the Hetzner used/auction site they have and I got an i7, 32GB ram, 4TB storage, obviously fibre etc for £35 p/m, you just can’t beat that price for that spec.
Anyway we have fibre at home now so no longer needed but this is a real shame for the people where data centre hosting is the only option because their connection is crap at home.

5 Likes