Optimal file type for PLEX

@JuiceWSA

I think I got it… See below.

I re-ran the OCR engine, and whenI went to SAVE - this time I got an error that I needed VLC Player. I downloaded it and installed it.

Now when I saved the .SRT file - I opened it in NOTEPAD - there were dialogue with the time-stamps. When I played the video - I was able to turn it on and I saw the SUBS.

I will play with it a little more - as they are kinda huge. :slight_smile: But, they is there now.

Appreciate the help on this. Maybe now I can get my entire library re-coded into HEVC (save some space, and have all the things I had in the XBMC box.

Will play around some more -and let you know.

bh

Now you know why NOBODY likes OCR sessions.

If ur gonna do a good job you have to ‘Fix’ all that stuff that comes up broken like that - and if you start adding corrections and additions to your Dictionary, as well as ‘Ignoring’ some lines and phrases, or ‘Changing All Others’ - you eventually make your Subtitle Edit a bit smarter, but it will never be as smart as your Cat.

Not sure about your Cat, but mine is really smart - but can’t really talk to anyone, but me…lol

Subtitle Edit:
You do, eventually want to learn how to:
highlight everything in the sub file
Right click - Remove Formatting <—when you want to “De-ASS” subs
Right click - Fix Common Errors <—'cause subs with errors is really common of ya
Tools/Remove text for the hearing impaired - cause (if) you can hear the [Door Slams] you don’t need to see it slam or see it written - do you? I sure as hell don’t.

… and I’ve been all over the world - seen a lotta doors - they all slam in the same language - trust me.

:slight_smile:

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That means you need to select PGS - NOT F.A.S. <—and at no time do you want Foreign Audio Scan: If it does something - I don’t know what.

You can, at this point ‘Import’ some subs - if you happen to have some subs that sync properly and are ready to go.

Like, if you had the text version of those PGS Image based subs fresh out of SE - you would Import the srt file (for HB to make an ASS out of) and NOT select the PGS subs by deleting that line and Importing a new one.

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Regarding your HEVC - I’ve been making some tests.
They look great, but 4 hour encodes are not something I have time for - literally.
At my age I want to be doing something else when I drop dead.

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@JuiceWSA,

It was not too bad doing the OCR on that film. Most things caught were NAMES. I changed the SPACING requirement for something to be considered a space from 8 pixels to 12 pixels - and it fixed that breaking of words issues (seemed to be occurring for words in ALL CAPS (indicating person speaking (off camera).

No cat here - and my dog is very smart too.

I am happy with the subtitles in the .srt that I created - just need to make them a little smaller. The letters are huge. I do not have a problem with them being a SEP file -do not need to add them to the .M4V file - now that I know how to make them correctly. :smiley:

I need to figure out the reason these are different:

THIS IS FROM MOVIES:

THIS IS FROM OTHER VIDEOS:

Notice that one has movie info, etc. I am guess it is because it is not in the MOVIES folder.

But ODD that the CAST information did not populate (see below) - I did the FIX MATCH option and it only finds one entry for this movie.

NOW the fun one - I am doing AVATAR .SRT extraction. There are one in there (where the Na’vi" are speaking in native language) and it is putting those words on the screen (show in yellow and different font) - the Subtitle Edit is doing weird things. I will play with that too. I just thought it was funny.

Just remembering my grandfather saying “anything worth doing is worth doing well”. Guess that is why I am such a perfectionist :slight_smile: As I stated - I spent months encoding these originally fom the DVDs and BRs. As I wanted them to have black bands removed - AC3 5.1 audio and good clean images.

I do not have a problem with the 4+ hour re-coding time, I queue them up and let it run all night. Gonna try my Core i7 (3rd gen) to do one as well. Though about giving it a whirl on the MAC (Mojave) too. It is a Core i5 (4th gen). Also looking at maybe building a good 7th, 8th or 9th gen i5 or i7 machine (workhorse).

WHAT Specifically does the OPTIMIZE feature do if you have it process a movie?

AGAIN - Much thanks for all the insight.

bh

Those subs ‘may’ be burned into the video already.
If not, in SE, highlight all the text (CTL-A), Right Click on it and select ‘Remove Formatting’. There’ll be no more ‘Yellow’ text, or anything else ‘special’ for that matter. They’ll be just plain white default text files.

Yes, Folks - when you let Handbrake deal with your srt text subs - HB will make an ASS out of them, add unnecessary formatting, that you will probably have to correct later.

You can deal with that by NOT including subs from Handbrake - unless you’re ‘Burning’ them in - leaving the muxing of some subs in during the last pass in Xmedia Recode - or something.

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@JuiceWSA,

Update. Yes, when I created the .MKV files - I added the English (PGS) into the .MKV (as that container allows for them). I had to search some of the files I created with MakeMKV to make sure I got the correct SUB file.

So I tried the following. In the E:\MOVIES folder - where I have a folder for each movie - named as the movie name (i.e., 12 Years A Slave (2013) and inside there - I have many other files (not ready to delete them all quite yet,)) I renamed the .MKV file to .OLDMKV (and left it there) - a file extension most systems are not going to recognize. I then copied the newly created .M4V file and the .SRT file (both with same filename) to this folder. I then RESCANNED the library.

If I start PLEX on my TV, and go to this movie. It is showing the movie with all the other stuff (CAST is still wrong - see the image above). But it does not see the SUBs. If I choose OTHER VIDEOS - it shows that there are Subtitles. (see image) See that it knows it is an HECV file - but SUBs not detected. Also notice the CAST section is weird.

Any idea why?

Try this:

Remove everything in that folder that is not the movie.

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I do not agree. I find “Local media assets” a totally worthless setting and I turn it off and move it to the bottom of every section it appears in except “Personal media” where it can do no harm.

I also fail to understand why Plex defaults such a potentially harmful function to the top of and most asset sections. While some people use that setting and find it useful I believe they are in the minority and Plex, by defaulting “Local media assets” to the top and having it turned on by default, causes a LOT more problems than it solves.

But Plex has been aware of the problems that stupidity causes for years and they have never changed it or even responded as to why it is defaulted to the top in every asset setting.

Whenever I set up a Plex server among the first things I do is go into agent’s settings and move that useless setting to the bottom and turn it off. For me it has all the usefulness of the teats on a boar hog.

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I use subtitles - so LMA must be enabled.
It does far more harm than good being at the top of the list, but it should be enabled at the bottom by default.

Tilting at Windmills - but there it is.

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I, too, use subs for the films in a language I do not speak at least conversationally. However for those movies I burn the subs into the video when I run it through Handbrake.

However everyone must make their own choices and that is why I believe that LMA should default to off and the bottom of the list.

But Plex will not listen, they never have on virtually any subject, so those of us that use Plex must suffer with their stupidity.

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@JuiceWSA,

OK. I have moved the files from the E:\MOVIES\12 Years a Slave (2013) folder off to my NAS - all except the newly created .M4V file and the .SRT file.

I re-scanned my library - and now in MOVIES entry for this movie is showing SUBs. I had to change the name from

12 Years a Slave (2013).srt     >>   12 Years a Slave (2013).en.srt

otherwise it showed UNKNOWN (SRT External) Adding the .en in there fixed that.

So now it looks like I have a process - SAVE the craziness with the AVATAR SUBs. I really want (like) the yellow italicized text which indicates the Na’vi are speaking in their native tongue. I am one of those that likes to have his movie collection as close to what you would get watching the DVD or the BR. (call me crazy). I did another movie last night (AFTER EARTH)

From 7.3 GB (.MKV) to 2.4GB (.M4V / HEVC) - so if I keep getting from 51-60% space savings on all my movies - I am gonna be happy as hell. Especially since the re-coding does not appear to be affecting quality using @JuiceWSA settings. I am getting little to no motion blur, 5.1 ACS Audio.

I need to test out the surround sound - as at the moment my rear speakers are not connected. Seeing that I am getting DTS audio - sure there is a setting to get Dolby (or Dolby+). But will not b***h about that too much.

I have also made the adjustments to the LOCALIZED files you mentioned.

Any idea why this one movie (12 Years a Slave) is not pulling in a CAST?

Thanks again @JuiceWSA - you are a life-saver (probably cherry, since those are the best).

bh

I do not.

Make sure you do this:

Then Plex Dance 12 Years:

Hogwash - Lime… that’s the best…lol

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@JuiceWSA,

Well I did it 4 times - the steps you indicated to CLEAN LIBRARY. Each time something would be missing.

Finally it looks like it worked.

It has everything there now, CAST, SUBs and RATINGS (Rotten Tomatoes, etc.)

                      ***Y-D-M   (You Da Man)***   

So - I made the following change - will let me know where I am in the re-coding:

bh

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@JuiceWSA,

I’m BAAAAaaaack!

Questions for you. I am thinking of utilizing 2 other computers to do these re-encodes…and I just found my other DVD movies on an External HDD I thought had been lent out and not returned (129 of them).

  1. Should I re-encode these with the same settings I am using for the Blu-Rays (the .MKv files)? Making them HEVC files? Be honest.

  2. I am thinking using the other 2 computes (when I am not using them all the time) - one of them a MAC Mojave with Core i5-4h Gen the other is a Core i7-3rd Gen both with 16GB RAM. Have you ever used HANDBRAKE on a MAC?

bh

I wouldn’t use 265 - unless you have a few months.
You should do some tests with my original settings for 480p with the lapsharp filter and see what they look like. I find 1050kbps plenty with a 2 pass.

That’ll make for some pretty small files - and not take long.

What’s a MAC?

:wink:

If the process - using the same settings - proceeds along briskly, use it all. No reason not to. An encode doesn’t care who made it.

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:rofl: :laughing: :joy:

What’s a MAC. Too Funny.

bh

@JuiceWSA

Please forgive the newbie questions… I looked at your settings guide but it was not entirely clear to me, I hope you can clear things up for me.

My tools and inputs: I’m using Handbrake 1.3.x, my source files are VIDEO_TS folders ripped from my DVD discs that I have archived over the years. I am a plex pass holder and use it to stream my movies around the house and to various devices.

My goals: I want to create files that will direct stream to ALL my clients if possible. My clients are a mixture of W10 laptop, Android phones (S10, Moto G5) and tablet (Samsung S2), Roku, Fire sticks (orig, 4k), smart tvs with the Plex app (Samsung, Vizio).

Questions:
1- In handbrake 1.3.2 I don’t see a “Basic HD” profile. Is it now called something else?
2- In your guide I didn’t understand if I still want to start with the Basic HD profile for encoding DVDs? It implied that but I feel like I must be misunderstanding something because why would I use a HD profile for SD source material.
3- What do I need to do to get the most compatible files to prevent transcoding? If I can’t satisfy all clients my priorities would be my firesticks, roku, laptop, S10, S2, and finally the plex app on my smart tvs.

I apologize if I missed something basic that would have answered all my questions, otherwise TIA for the help!

There’s no difference in HD and SD profiles except for the size. You can’t make HD material out of SD material. 720x480 with the proper custom anamorphic settings - which in the New Handbrake is bulletproof.

There is no ‘Advanced Tab’ in the new Handbrake - so you can’t get in too much trouble. ALL the settings are visible in my images for you to mirror. If, for some reason, you have ‘acquired’ some command line instructions - delete them - not needed.

Mirror my settings (making adjustments to the bit rates if necessary).

It doesn’t matter what profile you start with - when you mirror the settings in my images you’ll have the best there is to get - 'cause there is nothing magical about it.

You make 240 second ‘Previews’.
You put them in an Other Videos Library.
You play them on everything in your Plexiverse.
If they don’t work - you must not be mirroring my settings.

The best way to do this is to rip out a raw MKV file from the DVD with MakeMKV.
This lets you see everything in the file so you can keep what you want and discard what you don’t want - the most important being you want to use the text based subs, if included, instead of the VOB subs because VOB subs will transcode on almost everything.

Here’s the most recent:

and even here I have made some slight changes in bit rates.
480p material is using 950Kbps
with a Lapsharp Sharpness Filter ‘Medium’, ‘Film’ tune (unless, of course, I’m doing animations).
As always if the material is interlaced - it’s De-interlaced with Yadif default, no detection.
anything else that’s changed here, won’t matter as it’s insignificant.

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I CONCUR With Juice.

The best way to do this is TRIAL & ERROR. There are presets in the HB software, but then you can adjust them to your liking and SAVE your own pre-set.

When I did my DVDs (VOBs) - I had one preset for those - as I was making them ‘fill the screen’ - removing the black bars. You have to PREVIEW them first. Then see if your DVDs have the top and bottom bands. Then you can adjust to remove them. The other settings I used were to make sure that I for the 5.1 audio and the subtitles embedded into my MKV files (h.264) That way I was able to TURN them ON/OFF via PLEX (or in my case - at the time - XBMC).

I did the same for my BLURAYs - I used MakeMKV to pull the movies to a format that HB could use, and then I would use HB to remove the BANDS and embed the SubTitles into the files.

I have an extensive library of DVDs and BRs - all of them are currently at h.264. I was going to re-encode them to h.265, M4V files…but then I had to re-make (manually) the .SRT files for the subtitles. I wanted to free space. I have decided the 3-4 hours per movie to re-encode them was not worth the freeing of space - with the $$ of HDDs now days - it is just easier to add more space - put utilize my NAS for extra storage.

bh