@BigWheel I think the big question right now is if Plex will implement a way to use encrypted Amazon Drive files with Plex Cloud.
We do not encrypt or alter your files in anyway. Like with all of our potential feature implementations, I have no information to share on what might happen in the future.
@Wiidesire said:
@BigWheel I think the big question right now is if Plex will implement a way to use encrypted Amazon Drive files with Plex Cloud.
Yeah. I for one will not consider it at all without resting encryption.
@BigWheel said:
no it’s not. you do not need to know how it transcodes just that it does.
sigh
So much angry and unnecessary secrecy, no encryption, Amazon known to shut people down for doing exactly what Plex is encouraging them to do, the known BS of “unlimited” and how that never really works…
I’ll pass.
How it transcodes… the architecture, the settings, etc… has a direct effect on the overall user experience and so is very much relevant. The crowd on here who run PMS aren’t really the sort to be content with, “stay way from the screws, don’t ask about what’s inside the box. Just trust us, it’s magic.”
@braintumor said:
I believe there is a lot of potential for Plex Cloud and the pricing is very fair! I usually have to replace a failing disk in my 8-bay NAS every 1-2 years at US$ 250 a disk, compared to that the cost of $60 per year is quite a bargain.I also have some questions…
- Is there a maximum file size limitation for Plex cloud? Amazon drive limits at 2GB per file. Most of my movies are between 5 and 20GB.
- Obviously everything will be transcoded at Amazon Drive when streamed to the client to allow for the most efficient bandwidth usage. But what is the resolution/quality we can expect? Is it interesting for users that have a high bitrate library?
- What video/audio formats are supported? Will Plex cloud support embedded and external subtitles (srt)? Is UHD/4K supported?
- The obvious question, how about copyright claims? Will there be problems further down the road? Since Amazon is a content provider, can it demand a proof of content ownership in the future?
- How reliable and safe is my data regarding any (future) Terms & Conditions breaches? Nobody wants to be in a situation where a library of multiple TB has been uploaded, shuts down the local server and at some point in the future the Amazon Drive account is terminated due to some breach and with possibly no backup, will lose its entire digital library. Is plex cloud interesting for users with very large libraries (5-10TB and more)?
Looking forward…
as far as im aware of file limits. its only 2gb with the web client. if you use amazon’s client then that limit is uncapped as far as im aware. I think as far as API restrictions go it might be 50gb per file but dont quote me on that. Thats the limit on acd cli according to docs about amazon api.
@sremick said:
@BigWheel said:
no it’s not. you do not need to know how it transcodes just that it does.sigh
So much angry and unnecessary secrecy, no encryption, Amazon known to shut people down for doing exactly what Plex is encouraging them to do, the known BS of “unlimited” and how that never really works…
I’ll pass.
How it transcodes… the architecture, the settings, etc… has a direct effect on the overall user experience and so is very much relevant. The crowd on here who run PMS aren’t really the sort to be content with, “stay way from the screws, don’t ask about what’s inside the box. Just trust us, it’s magic.”
I’m going to second this. Pretty disappointing disconnect here.
@benny32 said:
@sremick said:
@BigWheel said:
no it’s not. you do not need to know how it transcodes just that it does.sigh
So much angry and unnecessary secrecy, no encryption, Amazon known to shut people down for doing exactly what Plex is encouraging them to do, the known BS of “unlimited” and how that never really works…
I’ll pass.
How it transcodes… the architecture, the settings, etc… has a direct effect on the overall user experience and so is very much relevant. The crowd on here who run PMS aren’t really the sort to be content with, “stay way from the screws, don’t ask about what’s inside the box. Just trust us, it’s magic.”
I’m going to second this. Pretty disappointing disconnect here.
I don’t understand what everyone is making a big deal about. I have no personal knowledge but I have a strong suspicion the people at plex know where a lot of people get there content from, and Im sure the people at amazon are not stupid as well, so I feel very confident amazon would not allow plex to do something like this If they were going to block every users content. Im sure they will block some people that abuse things, but most people will be ok.
@OwlBoy said:
@arionl said:
@OwlBoy said:
@arionl said:
rights managements (can I send my Blu-ray rips up) are blockers for now…I wonder what you think they could do? Or why their opinion on what is legal and what is not seems different than yours. I assume Plex is for playing disc rips and DVR recordings. So this feature should be too… so…
Well one problem I can foresee is that if I rip a Blu-ray or DVD at home for my own personal library there is a chance (and in theory a good chance, if it’s the same region and pressing) that it’ll match a release from a torrent group or something. Not something I have to think about today but if one day I was denied access to my own purchased media in the cloud I’d be pretty pissed…
This would be a new program that Amazon would have to start. They currently are not matching against Cloud Sync users. I’m sure we would have heard of people getting in trouble for using Cloud Sync over the past 2 years. I’m not saying things won’t change, but all signs point to this not being a problem… (And Plex even confirmed Amazon is fully aware of the coming feature.)
Any online storage provider reads the hash of every file uploaded for the sake of deduplication. If they find something with the identical hash, they don’t upload the file and will create a link under your account to the existing blob. If the other user(s) deletes the file, it only deletes the link and leaves the blob until the last user referencing it deletes their link.
Just try it with something super common like a Windows ISO, i upload them all of the time and they take about 20 seconds for a 8GB file.
That being said, the data is there at Amazon’s fingertips if they wanted to look or were asked.
I just applied for the Plex Cloud Beta, and I wish there’d been a field to enter in some comments, to qualify my answers to the questions - since I’d really like to be selected.
- No, I don’t have an Amazon Drive account at the moment, but I would get one in a second if I got into the beta program.
- The maximum size options jumped from 10 GB to 1 TB. I selected “1 TB”, but I’d use 250 GB at most.
@Wpcrumbley said:
@benny32 said:
@sremick said:
@BigWheel said:
no it’s not. you do not need to know how it transcodes just that it does.sigh
So much angry and unnecessary secrecy, no encryption, Amazon known to shut people down for doing exactly what Plex is encouraging them to do, the known BS of “unlimited” and how that never really works…
I’ll pass.
How it transcodes… the architecture, the settings, etc… has a direct effect on the overall user experience and so is very much relevant. The crowd on here who run PMS aren’t really the sort to be content with, “stay way from the screws, don’t ask about what’s inside the box. Just trust us, it’s magic.”
I’m going to second this. Pretty disappointing disconnect here.
I don’t understand what everyone is making a big deal about. I have no personal knowledge but I have a strong suspicion the people at plex know where a lot of people get there content from, and Im sure the people at amazon are not stupid as well, so I feel very confident amazon would not allow plex to do something like this If they were going to block every users content. Im sure they will block some people that abuse things, but most people will be ok.
The disconnect is in the “you don’t need to know comment” and the general attitude of the response. The way you communicate with people is a choice, even when you’re limited in what you can share. I think the arguments for encryption and other concerns have been well made and Plex will implement or not based on their desire or ability to do so. My disappointment was the communication of the response, not the features specifics.
guys i did not mean to sound angry. this is a beta things are going to change as far as processing transcoding and how well things work in general. the whole point of us rolling this out very slowly is so we can find out what things can handle.
Users have asked things like “can i transcode to 65 people at once”. The answer is “we do not know”. it could end up that we need to limit the amount of transcode because use is to high. Again this is in beta so we can figure these things out in the real world. Maybe we will decide to run it on x instead of y. Nothing is set in stone.
As far as us encrypting files, I going to tell you right now it is not going to happen anytime soon if at all. If your whole debate on using it or not is based on that, then don’t use it.
as @Wpcrumbley hinted at, the people who abuse things are the people who generally get caught by Amazon or whomever. Don’t share your server on reddit. Don’t post direct download links to your torrented bluray for your twitter, reddit “friends”. Use it as intended, for close friends and family and you shouldn’t have problems.
Curious to know how it streams in terms of bitrates.
I mean will a 50mbps video file simply stream untouched assuming the codecs align? Or is there a bitrate limit streaming from amazon drive.
@PutinShark said:
as far as im aware of file limits. its only 2gb with the web client. if you use amazon’s client then that limit is uncapped as far as im aware. I think as far as API restrictions go it might be 50gb per file but dont quote me on that. Thats the limit on acd cli according to docs about amazon api.
Well that rules out at least one of the videos in my library.
Will this server be accessable through Plex Media Player and open PHT (as examples) or just through the web interface? If prior, I assume that digital audio would also broadcast (5.1, DTS, etc)?
@okko said:
Will this server be accessable through Plex Media Player and open PHT (as examples) or just through the web interface? If prior, I assume that digital audio would also broadcast (5.1, DTS, etc)?
It’s a PMS just like any other as has been said repeatedly. So “yes” to all your questions.
Uploaded 1 TV Season. Set quality original 1080p. Streamed perfectly without interruptions. So far so good. Will continue to test.
Keep on innovating, only way to stay ahead 
@Quasar said:
Curious to know how it streams in terms of bitrates.I mean will a 50mbps video file simply stream untouched assuming the codecs align? Or is there a bitrate limit streaming from amazon drive.
If your Plex Client will direct play the file and your download speed allows for it, yes media will Direct Play
Can someone from Plex answer this hypothetical question?
Amazon discovers a Webrip originating from their original content on an account. When investigating they realize that the account was created using fake details.
They contact Plex in order to obtain the information of the user that has this particular Amazon account connected to his Plex cloud service. Would Plex give them this information?
To all of you that shout and scream about encryption, how do you suggest that this would be carried out? If you encrypt your content at Amazon you still have to provide the key to the Plex cloud server in order to access it. So the content you have been encrypting is still visible to a 3rd party, hence rather useless.
Instead of complaining about lacking features appreciate the one we now got, or did everyone not owning a Roku felt betrayed when support for that device was added?
You are not limited with space. I have uploaded 10gig files! and no issues!
I’ve setup the server and 2 libraries - movies and TV shows. It’s scanning for content but just keeps on scanning without finding anything. It’s been scanning for half an hour now. I have 5TB of content.
