Plex in Trouble

Emby can’t handle 4K and stutters on large 1080p, so non-starter here. Installed it and uninstalled it within 10 minutes.

Emby plays extremely highbitrate (80-100 Mbps) 4K remuxes just fine, from local storage or Google.

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Something’s wrong on your end.

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I’m playing 100mbit 4K hdr remuxes over wifi on both fire tv and shield :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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With emby and hw transcoding do they have a list of support devices?

I’m regarded to /Trakt.tv why use this? Does it just track all your watch shows??

Thanks

With HW acceleration yes there are multiple options. It’s in beta but apparently due to go to the main release soon.

With Trakt… yes it’s great for anyone with more than one Plex/Emby/Kodi or other server.
Anything you watch Trakt sees it and any other device then pulls that info. So any server or other app will stay in sync.
Emby’s implementation is exceptional though.

To be honest the clue is in the “I uninstalled within 10 minutes.” Sounds like lots of testing and troubleshooting went on there…not.

10 minutes… wow!!
It takes that long to find your media in Plex with the new super UI.

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For the record, I find it easier to find content with the new UI than the previous UI with the gigantic posters and useless hubs. That’s not saying much, though.

For me, Emby will play much higher bitrate files then Plex. Plex often throws up an error about the network being to slow.

This. My non-Web Plex clients show this error all the time, even local to the server. Emby, meanwhile, plays everything without a hitch and is faster to start playing them.

I was actually gonna comment on loading times. It’s the major deal breaker for me.
PMP is anything upto 8 seconds from selection to playback… Emby is absolutely instant.
I had a theory that Emby pre-empts…so if you are looking at the synopsis of a movie it’s getting thet file ready in the background.
I have no idea if that’s the case though.

All that said, as I have very little positive to say about Plex in general for a long time, it’s time to even things up a little.
I shared my Plex, now Emby with a few friends and family. They always had a trouble free experience with Plex (assuming it wasn’t one of those more and more frequent days when Plex.tv was down.)
Obviously they have a multitude of devices. Apart from two people who use Roku’s those remote users are really struggling to consistently get a good experience with Emby.

Maybe I have suddenly developed some local network issues and the proof of that will come tomorrow when I install Plex again alongside Emby. If those users have no issues with Plex then I will happily run it alongside Emby to keep them happy. I will also do the same on my remote server.

Locally though as much as PMP (at least the last time I looked) is improving its trails badly behind Emby Theatre.
The afore mentioned loading times and the whole image based subs causes transcoding debacle that Plex seems incapable or unwilling to address. Plex have hired Kodi devs in the past so maybe hire an Emby dev to show them how to make a functional client.
But as others have mentioned, its the shareholders and other investors that Plex apparently only have any interest in receiving input from. The end user?.. meh!!

PMP handles images based subs. They shouldn’t be transcoding.

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Cool thanks for correcting me…Is that a recent thing cos its been a while.
To be honest as I only need forced subs, it may just be that the need never arose for a while.

To be honest though the major thing is loading times… they really are night and day between Plex and Emby…

I’m gonna reserve any more comments because I know things change… like that awesome scrollbar.
Other than the loading times my other gripe was the whole play next episode automatically.
I seem to recall whilst browsing the other night that there had been changes there too?
But last time I used it PMP was , wait for the episode and how ever many minutes of cast & credits to totally finish then start a ridiculously long countdown timer then wait the previously mentioned stupid loading time.
Emby (in Netflix style) gives a little popup around about the start of the credits and on confirmation that next episode is playing before I can put the remote down.
The one other thing would be that stupid wall of text with the media info overlay…someone really should look at Emby’s “stats for nerds.”

As mentioned Plex probably seems a better fit for my shared users so if I do reinstall PMS I may as well install PMP back on my HTPC and check it out occasionally,
But two months ago (the last time I looked) PMP, other than the great scroll bar, had zero positives and gave no reason to load it instead of Emby Theatre.

I know PMP didn’t do image subs when it first came out, but that was added quite some time ago. I would say since at least the start of version 2.

Can you start a new thread and provide logs? It should take that long. For me it is almost instantaneous. Maybe 1 second.

Yeah after I install everything tomorrow I will see if the issue is still there.
Are you using network paths for your libraries btw? I did in Plex and I do in Emby. But happy to set up either way if one is likely to be faster than the other in Plex?

I totally agree on the loading times, though my server is always remote on my VPS. Loading times for me are 10+ seconds for Plex and 1-3 seconds for emby. Same happens when I fast forward (which I have to do regularly, since I watch DVRed stuff still containing commercials).

Additionally, Plex on Android (TV/mobile) often gives me an error when trying to play a file, like network speed too low or an other error. This is neither the reality, nor does emby complain is a similar way.

Both issues in combination are a deal breaker for using Plex for me, especially when adding the WAF to the calculation…

Well I could live with a few seconds extra loading time on my remote server running Gooby. But not on my local server.
But here’s the thing.
From my local server in PMP I’m now getting loading times that more or less match Emby (using network paths for my libraries.)
From my remote Gooby server I’m getting loading times faster!!! than Emby. Admittedly Im still adding my media and havent tried with any extremely high bit rate stuff but 1080p Remux type files at around 30 Mbps are fine.

I don’t know if the scroll bar that I mentioned in PMP is available on Android TV but for the remote server with high bitrate stuff having a scroll bar with a timeline is actually making ff/rw a much better experience in Plex than Emby.

The bottom line is though that as much as I love Emby Theatre and have no issues with Emby on Android Mobile, the fact that my shared users with the exception of a Roku user are all having real issues playing anything at all in Emby is MY dealbreaker.

If those same users who I have just reshared Plex with can actually watch everything (as was the case with Plex before I forced them to switch to Emby) then I’m gonna have to retract most if not all of my complaints about Plex.
Only speaking about PMP I now actually find it an equal experience to Emby Theatre. To the point of me having no issue switching back to Plex as my everyday Server.

Even the new UI that resulted in me looking at Emby again in the first place, probably has merits for my set up. All my media on the remote and local servers is mirrored with the exception of my 200 or so 40-80GB UHD Remuxes that only exist on Google. Being able to hide ever other library on the remote server except that one in PMP makes for a really coherent experience. (ie no uneeded duplacate libraries and no need to switch servers If I do choose to watch a UHD Remux.

That said I have yet to add those files to my Plex library on the remote server so I will reserve final judgement when I see if those files play as flawlessly in Plex as they do in Emby. If they do I may be doing a full 360 on all my earlier comments.

EDIT… and they do and again also load as fast if not faster than Emby Theatre.
Seeking to any point in the movies via the timeline scrollbar and hitting play and again the movies starts in less than two seconds.

Wether or not your remote users have a better time using Plex doesn’t remove all the issues and outstanding bugs that Plex has, just like Plex being flawed never meant Emby was perfect.

Just the fact that Plex has been showing me “bandwidth not sufficient” or whatever error message for over a year when I’m on a local wired network and even changed my router is enough for me to be salty.

Again, use whatever solution makes you and your users happy, but let’s not pretend like suddenly Plex is perfect.

That’s exactly it… before I went to Emby I cursed our (mandatory, non bypassable) ISP router/modem, because Plex would (and will) ALWAYS buffer like crazy and error out that the bandwidth is not sufficient to play the content - both on the remote server and local PC (fully wired). It drove us nuts!!!

It never happened with Emby, and I have yet to experience any buffering. True, Emby is not perfect and sometimes I wish I could combine the best of both worlds, but of the two Emby to me is the clear winner for now.

That and the fact that they don’t take away features I use, and don’t add endless features I DON’T use and have to spend yet another 10 minutes trying to remember where to hide all that stuff – and then STILL having to answer questions from my 82 year old Dad who suddenly gets bombarded with “news”, podcasts, web tv and ads for a music streaming service no one in my circles has ever heard of.

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Whoahh…steady on.
Firstly, at no point have I even come close to saying Plex is perfect.

Secondly

…Is something I haven’t come across in PMP. Even before I gave up on Plex. Nor even with a file at an avge bitrate of 80Mbps. Your choice of client is exactly that. If yours work better in Emby then great. If my users cannot play anything in Emby (other than for myself and a Roku user) then??

So i ask again…please do not put words in my mouth.
I raised some of MY issues and @anon18523487 responded and i am now doing a 360 on (most of) the issues I raised… thats all. Not all the other issues in Plex.