well, but it’s not, cause you guys have said that plug-in support is going to be removed from the clients, right? isn’t it already gone from the beta roku client?
That’s fair, though it’s not as if python 2.7 code is going to just stop working in 2020 even if that’s a really lousy coding practice. Obviously in an ideal world, we’d see a new plugin API based on python 3.x or whatever the plex devs like.
It’s not being removed from existing clients, but new clients will not include it. The new Roku app is a brand new rewrite of the app, not just an update. This new rewrite does not include code to support plugins.
Actually, it’s a great idea that accomplishes exactly what plug-in users want while requiring only the time to build a “legacy” version from the latest version of the client containing plugin support. Obviously the end-user would have to have an older version of the server installed with plugin support, too.
Plugins are a big deal for some of us. You need to understand that instead of wasting your time and energy impotently trying to change our minds about that.
Here’s a point I’m curious about.
(And, it’s quite possibly Plex doesn’t care.)
Many of us are now looking for alternatives. (No, I’m not attempting any type of threat here, I’m simply stating what I’ve seen in many of the ‘plugin’ discussion threads*)
If, at worst case, 2% of Plex user’s leave, what percentage of customers is that in real terms?
Really - If I, as a server admin, leave, I’m taking at least 17 others with me. Possibly more.
I got 17 family and friends to install Plex to watch my shared photos and movies.
I share with 20 friends and family total. 2 of those run their own Plex servers that, honestly, I’d stop using too if I switch to another product.
I can’t imagine I’m the only person who, if switching to another product, take a higher number with me.
*(And another thing - anyone clicking the “TOP” category notice that there are several duplicate discussions, some about plugins, some about the UI on various clients not being liked… discontent seems to be a recurring pattern)
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to be honest, that is quite the same. If you are rewriting your client and not including an existing feature, you simply have dropped it. In most cases there is no possibility to stick on the “legacy” version.
Personally I have nothing against the removal of the plugin directory itself or the removal of the whole ecosystem if it is outdated or not maintained, BUT I am criticizing that there is no alternative.
As you are referring the TV shows very often: Yes, we do not have an influence on the end of a TV show, but as soon as we buy it, we get its current state of production which can not be reduced afterwards. If we buy PLEX with a certian set of features included, then it is YOUR task to guarantee their availability or provide alternatives for it and not just to simply drop it.
There are much more examples like that from your side (looking at the cloud…).
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I am not trying to change anyone’s mind. I simply wish to state that there are alternative views so that Plex is made aware that there are users, many users, that believe the move is at least OK and may be beneficial.
I see a lot of posts that mention that the loss of one user may actually be a lot more. I personally know 23 Plex users and only one of those shares outside their home and that one shares only to an extended family member just down the street from them. So I question the number of users that share at all. But I do not question the passion of those users that use plugins extensively.
Personally I will miss the one plugin I use (Trakt TV) but it is not the end of the world for me.
As with much else in the Plexiverse users will, no matter how vocal, have little, if any, impact on Plex’s decisions and they really need to make a try to find ways to get along without the plugins they find invaluable as Plex is NOT changing their mind and Plex is NOT writing special apps just to support current plugins that will, at some time, be removed from the server anyway.
As I said users need to look forward, not back, and find other ways to accomplish what they find important from the current plugins.
I do not have much idea, at this point, how I will replace the functionality of Trakt that I use to keep my Plex and Emby servers in sync and if that is truly not replaced in a manner that both Plex and Emby support I may, finally, be forced to make a decision about which system to use exclusively as I will no longer be able to seamlessly switch between the two. Just having Trakt working on one system makes it worthless for how I want to use it.
But all that is really my problem not Plex’s. They have made their choice and now I need to make mine. Plex almost never backs off a decision already made.
Developer comment: if you are familiar with python and trakt provides some kind of (python) API, you could use plexapi library to iterate through your libraries and sync their status between trakt and plex.
Yeah I agree. After discovering in the latest Emby Beta that it’s now still not as pretty as Plex from a server settings point of view…it’s faster. That HW transcoding at least matches if not surpasses Plex offering.
I found my solution here.
That’s pretty disingenuous. It has been stated elsewhere (and is also obvious) that it will be phased out of existing clients as they are iterated and in some cases replaced entirely as in the case of the roku app. It won’t happen overnight, but clearly it’s going to be removed client-side eventually. I’m not sure why you don’t want to be straight about that.
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So I just fired up my Android client for the first time in a month or two, clicked on Plug-ins, and got a screen saying ‘add a plug-ins library’.
I presume this means I’m screwed, and if I want Plug-ins on Android mobile, I have to follow one of the internet guides for rolling back to a previous APK from a 3rd party (possibly shady) APK mirror version site?
I was purposely not updating my IOS and Android clients (autoupdate disabled) due to this.
Guess I missed one version.
I think you played Devil’s Advocate for the wrong side. For those who were interested to have subtitles do have Sub-Zero. However, when a Plex employee himself/herself (also one of the primary one’s handling plugins) does not know about the Plugin directory well enough - how can you blame the Users for not knowing well enough.
Think of it. Plex felt there was an urgent need to develop a subtitle feature but never were able to point Users to an already available excellent solution. You really think that its a shortcoming of the Plugins framework or Plex itself ? I’m sure the Subtitle feature was not built for the 2% SubZero Users ?
Good to know and I do see @dane22 point that a Plex port for Python 3.x might already be underway. But where there is a will there could have been Plugins 2.0 when Plex has time to do VR, Plexamp, etc. which in the long run will have much less of an impact.
That’s an Android bug, i’m on 7.6.2.7169 (3f3be9ee). It takes a while to load the Plugins. If you skip too soon to the Plugins section you wont see them. I also have to set my server manually sometimes for Plugins. It does not use the last one that is set.
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Huh…Said no such thing!
I don’t know where you saw that, but the current plans are not to actively remove the ability from current clients. Sure things can change in the future, but this is the plan as of now.
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I guess I misunderstood your point then when you said Python 2.7’s End of Life. From my experience Commercial/Enterprise software cannot work on unsupported platforms and with around a year left this should already be underway. So yes I guess its my summation not yours. Not sure what was the point you were making with it then.
Does that mean Plugin related bugs will get fixed ? Like the one that is posted above.
Bugs will still be investigated and fixed if possible. Please create a new thread to focus on that issue and we can take a look.
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It was a reply to: Plugins removal? - #201 by bdelbanco
From a mod replying to comments on the original blog post making the announcement regarding plugins (these are just selected statements–i got tired of copying and pasting). So which one of you is right?:
Emilio Mod aikidoka • a month ago
I’m not sure what you are calling “background plugins” but all plugins will go from all apps over time.
Emilio Mod AnnieM • a month ago
the plugin area of apps will be removed
Emilio Mod Johan Spånberg • a month ago
All plugins will stop working at some point.
I depend on my TiVo plugin! Will it continue to work?
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Emilio Mod Brian Johns • a month ago
Not when support is removed from players
If the Tautulli implementation method is preferred, is there something using that type of implementation that mimics Export Tools?
