Pretty disappointed

I am not sure if you misunderstood me (or the other way around :) ). But that is only part of the puzzle. Plex Inc. can't do whatever they want with the console apps. Every update they send to MS or Sony takes a LONG time to get out to you guys. They are super paranoid about letting something through that is not scrutinized thoroughly. This is turn means that the guys want as much features packed into the app as possible before sending it to MS. It would be a total waste to send less than fairly big updates to MS and Sony. Roku on the other hand basically totally trusts us. So the Roku guys is not limited in the same way.

Let me put it like this, there are some really interesting stuff in the works for you guys. In the mean time, let Plex Inc. sort out the issues that they CAN do something about. Like adding a clearer message that this app is in preview and not a fully fledged feature complete app.

I really wish people at Plex would stop using this argument. It seems that it is always the response to justify not giving ETA or roadmap. And there is a huge list of basic features/bugs that have been existing for over two years (including security issues) and afaik, not addressed.

 

I remember seeing several Elan's posts saying to trust Plex, because they always want to provide users with something awesome. But at the end of the day, the only thing I see happening is more clients and more "advanced" features, while the same old bugs are still here.

 

Truth be told, between the waiting time with no information whatsoever and the release of awesome new features that are crippled with bugs anyway; it seems to always be a downer. The only exception I can think of is the latest Roku release, because it works.

 

Besides, I have not been a xbox user for that long, but I am clearly under the impression that other apps are regularly updated, certainly more frequently than every 4 months.

 

All in all, you know what is the "interesting stuff" I would like to see: Having the current features work as expected, nothing more. At the end of the day the only thing most people ask plex is to organize and play media with a certain degree of parental control, without having to deal with constant crashes, security holes and other unexpected behaviors.

I really wish people at Plex would stop using this argument. It seems that it is always the response to justify not giving ETA or roadmap. And there is a huge list of basic features/bugs that have been existing for over two years (including security issues) and afaik, not addressed.

 

I remember seeing several Elan's posts saying to trust Plex, because they always want to provide users with something awesome. But at the end of the day, the only thing I see happening is more clients and more "advanced" features, while the same old bugs are still here.

 

Truth be told, between the waiting time with no information whatsoever and the release of awesome new features that are crippled with bugs anyway; it seems to always be a downer. The only exception I can think of is the latest Roku release, because it works.

 

Besides, I have not been a xbox user for that long, but I am clearly under the impression that other apps are regularly updated, certainly more frequently than every 4 months.

 

All in all, you know what is the "interesting stuff" I would like to see: Having the current features work as expected, nothing more. At the end of the day the only thing most people ask plex is to organize and play media with a certain degree of parental control, without having to deal with constant crashes, security holes and other unexpected behaviors.

There is no way to win in this is there? Either I am quite, or I say something like "there are stuff in the works". Both ways are bad. I think I will butt out of this as politely as I can.

There is no way to win in this is there? Either I am quite, or I say something like "there are stuff in the works". Both ways are bad. I think I will butt out of this as politely as I can.

There is a way to win this. Release an update...

There is no way to win in this is there? Either I am quite, or I say something like "there are stuff in the works". Both ways are bad. I think I will butt out of this as politely as I can.

There is a way to win this. Release an update...

This or provide us with an ETA.

But I also understand your guidelines of not giving out ETAs and that you are not eager to make an exception because then you read in every second thread "But you told the XBox One owerners when the next update would arrive, why not us ..." ;-)

Just know that (many) users are not satisfied with not receiving an update within 4 months and also when the process for consoles obviously is more complicated with the whole certification process and so on. Try to make shorter release intervals in the future.

I am not sure if you misunderstood me (or the other way around :) ). But that is only part of the puzzle. Plex Inc. can't do whatever they want with the console apps. Every update they send to MS or Sony takes a LONG time to get out to you guys. They (MS and Sony) are super paranoid about letting something through that is not scrutinized thoroughly. This is turn means that the guys want as much features packed into the app as possible before sending it to MS. It would be a total waste to send less than fairly big updates to MS and Sony. Roku on the other hand basically totally trusts Plex Inc. So the Roku guys is not limited in the same way.

Let me put it like this, there are some really interesting stuff in the works for you guys. In the mean time, let Plex Inc. sort out the issues that they CAN do something about. Like adding a clearer message that this app is in preview and not a fully fledged feature complete app.

Sorry but that's bullshiit... The website isn't a Microsoft problem and it doesn't take 6 month to change a little html string to TELL EVERYBODY THAT THIS APP IS A COMPLETE BETA AND THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BUY A PREMIUM PASS FOR IT YET. Damnit, read at least my first posts. Plex isn't telling it's a incomplete, bugged beta app, but already advertise it as an xbox one app to be downloaded only with a plex pass. So that is called tricking people to buy their lol pass

There is no way to win in this is there? Either I am quite, or I say something like "there are stuff in the works". Both ways are bad. I think I will butt out of this as politely as I can.

There's no way to win under the current Plex communication structure, no.

That could be changed though - what's wrong with not talking about new features, but keeping people informed on progress of fixing bugs and implementing already announced features into existing clients?

Not releasing important fixes and updates because 'it's a hassle to deal with Microsoft/Sony not wanting to release buggy software' is not really an acceptable position to take IMO.

Sorry but that's bullshiit... The website isn't a Microsoft problem and it doesn't take 6 month to change a little html string to TELL EVERYBODY THAT THIS APP IS A COMPLETE BETA AND THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BUY A PREMIUM PASS FOR IT YET. Damnit, read at least my first posts. Plex isn't telling it's a incomplete, bugged beta app, but already advertise it as an xbox one app to be downloaded only with a plex pass. So that is called tricking people to buy their lol pass

worst post I have ever seen on here. First, show some respect. Secondly, you would be wrong. Nobody forces ANYBODY to use PlexPass and you can cancel it at anytime.

Yeah Yeah, been over 4 month I read these kind of answers lol, you’re just one more… First of all, before answering, read the first posts… Don’t you tell me about respect. Plex team doesn’t even show respect to their PAYING CUSTOMERS by not even answering the complains like mine, not even correcting their home page, their lying advert etc etc

I am not sure if you misunderstood me (or the other way around :) ). But that is only part of the puzzle. Plex Inc. can't do whatever they want with the console apps. Every update they send to MS or Sony takes a LONG time to get out to you guys. They (MS and Sony) are super paranoid about letting something through that is not scrutinized thoroughly. This is turn means that the guys want as much features packed into the app as possible before sending it to MS. It would be a total waste to send less than fairly big updates to MS and Sony. Roku on the other hand basically totally trusts Plex Inc. So the Roku guys is not limited in the same way.

Let me put it like this, there are some really interesting stuff in the works for you guys. In the mean time, let Plex Inc. sort out the issues that they CAN do something about. Like adding a clearer message that this app is in preview and not a fully fledged feature complete app.

 
 

There is no way to win in this is there? Either I am quite, or I say something like "there are stuff in the works". Both ways are bad. I think I will butt out of this as politely as I can.


First off, as always, thank you for commenting Atrus. It's always appreciated even if we don't like the message you deliver at times. :)

I see this as two different issues. The first one was brought up in the "Vent" thread which is to label the website accordingly so people know it's a beta/preview. The new Rokus is perfect. Why can't Plex change the website for Playstation and Xbox to match what they did for the Roku? This should not take long and would help.

Secondly, if MS and Sony are so tough then maybe a different approach should be taken. I'm NOT in favor of big releases that come only a couple times a year. The problem with getting a release say every 4 months is once we get the next release it WILL have issues and we'll have to wait 4 months for the fixes (assuming everything gets fixed). WAY, WAY to long.

What would be far better to to make a release to MS/Sony every month. IE 1 month sprints. From a regression standpoint this will be far better. From a customer standpoint, this will be far better. From a coding standpoint it will probably be better most of the time.

For those of us that follow the forums pretty religiously WE KNOW work is being done on the client and most of us have probably already guessed it's going to be a pretty substantial release BUT for those who don't follow things and make a plexpass payment in order to get this client to see how limited it is (compared to others) it's not so obvious. They might come to the forum to see NOTHING in months. This leaves them the impression that they probably wasted money on the PlexPass.

Now turn it around. Person buys plexpass and tries the client to see it's still limited. They come to the forum and see progress being made and a new release basically every month. They will now most likely have a different "gut feeling". They might feel the plexpass money is worth it because they see improvements month to month. And see generally more favorable messages tone wise in the Xbox/PS forums. Plus of course if there were monthly releases then the person who just recently downloaded/tried it would have a more functional client anyway which could only be a good thing. Right now everyone is basically running version 1.

Now with that said I don't know if there is any limitations imposed by MS/Sony on submitted release time frames but I wouldn't think a month sprint would be an issue especially when lots of new stuff is being added with each new release. After all this can only be a good thing for the console itself.

The problem with the Plex team seems to be a case of stretching themselvevs out too thin, in regards to each platform. Rather than focusing on one at a time, with a healthy amount of people working together, then switching over to the next one, they have small teams split up who clearly can't handle the load. Just look at the iOS version—it is behind the Android version, which is a free download, and it is full of bugs. I paid for the damn iOS version, and everytime I see an Anroid update I get pissed off. And then I see Smart TVs keep getting more updates? Really? Is this how you treat paying customers?

It is clear that certain platforms have favoritism, and some team members aren't holding up their end of the bargin to keep "their" platform up-to-date. It's no wonder Plex is looking for new employees: They can't handle the load they've forced on themselves. And having most of its employees working remotely doesn't seem to be efficent by any means. I think Plex needs better managment and a new business model, plain and simple. And I don't care one bit about getting information ahead of time—I don't need a heads up or an ETA. Fix the long laundry list of bugs that have been piling up for months on multiple platforms. And please, please stop releasing Plex on more platforms.

I’ll disagree with you caltrask. You really can’t just have a team of people work on one thing, then switch to another client then to another. They need different skill sets and each client uses different APIs etc. You want a team (1 or more people) to work on specific clients. What you suggest is close to asking professional race car drivers to run Indy, then NASCAR, then Rally then Formula 1 depending on what race the “team” needs to win most. While the drivers are all professional they have different skill sets and you can’t easily pull a rally racer and put them behind a formula 1 car or vice versa and think things are going to work out well.

You will probably have a few devs who can work on multiple things due to overlapping skill sets or because they’ve had to work on different projects but this is more the exception then the rule just as you can find a few drivers who can race both NASCAR and Indy.

I’d also doubt working remotely causes them much problems. It’s probably better for them than trying to recruit people in a specific region. They basically have the whole world to choose from. They can find people with existing knowledge of clients, programming languages/scripting, operating systems who are passionate about what Plex is doing. This would be extremely hard to do in a “normal” metro area like NY, Philly, Chicago, LA, etc.

It’s easy to find programmers but damn hard to find good programmers who can work on there own with little interaction or hand holding. So I’d say Plex is going about this the right way. Find the best talent you can get regardless of where they live and as long as their isn’t a communication barrier you are set.

Where I would agree with you, is that I’d imagine some guys get pulled from their “normal” clients to work on some of the newer ones to get a framework built until they can get new talent. That is the nature of the beast so to speak. I myself at times would prefer to see this stop to focus on existing clients/services. However, if I said this 6 months ago then I wouldn’t have the Xbox One client which I really like and know is going to get better with each release. So it’s a tough call.

I think most of us (without saying it) would prefer that each client get an update every x amount of time. If we could get a new release one a month or every other month then that client probably has enough momentum to stay out of trouble. If you can delivery a new update per client once a month than you are meeting expectations and can branch out to another new client. If you fall behind this delivery period you are stretched to “thin” and need to re-focus efforts. Sort of an unspoken type “rule”.

Carlo

The problem with the Plex team seems to be a case of stretching themselvevs out too thin, in regards to each platform. Rather than focusing on one at a time, with a healthy amount of people working together, then switching over to the next one, they have small teams split up who clearly can't handle the load. Just look at the iOS version—it is behind the Android version, which is a free download, and it is full of bugs. I paid for the damn iOS version, and everytime I see an Anroid update I get pissed off. And then I see Smart TVs keep getting more updates? Really? Is this how you treat paying customers?

Yep, Samsung Plex app got updated. That dusty old client is now looking better... It's a free app... And the paid app on xbox is still as crappy as it was when I first gave my impressions here... And Plex still doesn't take an official position...

I'll disagree with you caltrask. You really can't just have a team of people work on one thing, then switch to another client then to another. They need different skill sets and each client uses different APIs etc. You want a team (1 or more people) to work on specific clients. What you suggest is close to asking professional race car drivers to run Indy, then NASCAR, then Rally then Formula 1 depending on what race the "team" needs to win most. While the drivers are all professional they have different skill sets and you can't easily pull a rally racer and put them behind a formula 1 car or vice versa and think things are going to work out well.

You will probably have a few devs who can work on multiple things due to overlapping skill sets or because they've had to work on different projects but this is more the exception then the rule just as you can find a few drivers who can race both NASCAR and Indy.

I disagree with your analogy. You can have just one team working on one thing if you know how to properly manage it; that means making and meeting deadlines, squashing bugs, etc, and at the very least, keeping up with all the other platforms with some kind of structured schedule.

If you are in the position of a manager, or any leadership role, it is your duty to ensure that everyone is on the same schedule, not this "whenever I feel like releasing something" or "whenever I get around to it." And while those are clearly exaggerations, it isn't hard to imagine that having remote employees offers up the opportunity to be lazy or not "feel the fire under the butt." And once you separate these people based on skillsets(these so-called racecar drivers), and let them "do their own thing," you get a staggered mess of releases and lack of updates, which is exactly what we have today.

The big problem with having such a spread-out team, or individuals, or whatever, is that there is no cohesion and no sense of unity among the platforms. Why is that? The answer is easy: Too many platforms to manage. I also imagine there simply isn't enough team members working on the same platform, and why some are so incredibly far behind and/or not working as they should be. The Xbox One release is a perfect example of this—they pushed out its release under the guise of being a full-fledged app, hoping to get more subscribers, and in the process pissed off their already loyal customer base. Next, take the iOS app that requires users to pay for it. Is that platform being favored? No. Should it? I would argue yes, at least more favored than the Android version. And it's important to note that I paid for it because I wanted to support Plex. However, I don't feel that Plex is returning the favor.

One of the most important duties as a manager/leader is to ensure that your paying customers are satisfied; if there are issues, you address them and you fix them the best you can. Don't get me wrong, I think some of the people at Plex work their butts off and try to please everyone; you know who they are because they are the ones who actually communicate with us every once in a while. I don't expect, by any means, that they please every single customer but at least make more of an effort. We know that they come to the boards, that they read our posts, so why not jump on the opportunity to improve? It's not like this is the first time someone has complained about [fill-in-the-blank], but it sure seems like it is because these problems aren't going away.

It would be nice to know if there was someone in a leadership role that is upset with the fact that one platform is seemingly favored and gets more updates, e.g. Android. It would be nice to know somebody at Plex sees the problem(s) with their current business model, lack of uniformity, lack of communcation etc, and wants to change that. Do you think anybody at Plex is pissed off with the lack of updates for iOS? Probably not.

The management of Plex does not reflect a willingness to change or make things right with a large percentage of its cutomers, which would be hard to argue considering: how many complaints are in a given thread, how many people have said they're going to ask for a refund, how many countless bugs have piled up with absolutely zero replies from the devs. This is the attitude that we are getting, and why people on this board are upset—there is a general, laxed attitude about fixing bugs that have been around for months. There is a general, laxed attitude with the devs NOT communicating with us about anything really.

The only thing I’ll disagree with is your disagreement with me on the analogy. :slight_smile:

I do however agree with much of everything else you said and have said much of it myself. A lot of what you just said has been covered to death in the “Vent” thread.

Carlo

I really wish people at Plex would stop using this argument. It seems that it is always the response to justify not giving ETA or roadmap. And there is a huge list of basic features/bugs that have been existing for over two years (including security issues) and afaik, not addressed.

 

All in all, you know what is the "interesting stuff" I would like to see: Having the current features work as expected, nothing more. At the end of the day the only thing most people ask plex is to organize and play media with a certain degree of parental control, without having to deal with constant crashes, security holes and other unexpected behaviors.

THIS right here. I don't care about features at the moment. I would just like to be able to use Plex without it crashing my Xbox One. If you cant stream anything, well then it doesn't matter what features you have.

I use my XBox one to stream from my Plex server a few hours a day and I don’t think it’s ever crashed my Xbox. That is strange!

Yep, Samsung Plex app got updated. That dusty old client is now looking better... It's a free app... And the paid app on xbox is still as crappy as it was when I first gave my impressions here... And Plex still doesn't take an official position...

Yep that dusty old client is the reason why my dedicated PHT hasn't been switched on for over a month and why a Roku 3 sits gathering dust.

Meanwhile Orca the developer also got pissed off waiting for Samsung to approve the new version for 2014+ Tv's so he took the bold action of pushing the updates out to be run off USB. Hell he even uploaded a V1 version for the people who didn't like the change to V2. He does also tell us as he submits a release to Samsung and again what Samsung approve it and for us to expect the update to be pushed to our devices.

Although he doesn't go as far as giving a full upcoming feature list, he does take the time to occasionally say that this or that will be (re)added in the next version. 

At the same time damning  posts crop up saying that it's about time that should Plex fully take over development of the app on the basis that it will develop quicker.

I think Orca's reply was at one point "Be careful what you wish for." I gotta say... never a truer word was spoken. We have a dev for our device who is active on the forums every single day, despite having a full time job. 

I have used Plex for a couple of years and always lived with the fact that the Plex way of "tell people nothing" is the way it is.However the way Orca handled things in response to Samsung's tardiness illustrates that it really doesn't have to be this way. 

I admit I don't have an Xbox but I do like to read up on the forums regarding the various clients... A few weeks ago I would have read this thread thinking... "Oh here we go again another bunch of complainers." But I would have been wrong.. If it really does take so long for Microsoft, Apple etc.. to approve apps then at the very least anyone using any client should be entitled to is a quick post from the relevant developer saying the update is in Microsofts/Apples or whoever's hands and expect it to arrive on your device when it arrives. Right now you may be a few days away from an update submitted weeks ago OR months away from anything even being submitted.

My thoughts are with you all.  :(

I don't care about crApple or Cosoft delays in publishing/reviewing clients (altough, it never takes that long for them to review and accept a version, I know it...). The main topic was about the homepage not saying the truth about Plex Pass. It says: Get a plex pass and get an awesome console app (Playstation, Xbox One etc), but it never states it is in a full Beta state... Never have I seen a beta software you have to pay for...

Updating that single html line on the homepage doesn't take 6 month. The no action/answer, clarification, just shows what I said from the begining on: They don't care, they have our money, and that's all. Common, takes about 10 minutes for a noob to update that description, should take about 30 seconds for a plex dev...

Unfortunately I can't even get my Xbox One to connect to my Plex server.  My Plex server is configured, and it is completely visible to the outside world.  I can connect to it fine through the browser both inside and outside my network... and my friend who I've shared my library with can see it just fine.

I have the latest update for the server, yet the Plex app on Xbox One complains that I need a minimum of version "0.9.10.x" when I'm on a version newer than that... It won't even connect.  On the other end of that I have a Windows Phone 8.1 and the Plex app.  The phone logs into Plex just fine... using the exact same user account I user to administer my Plex server yet my phone tells me I don't even have a plex server setup... however my friend's shared libraries show up on my phone just fine. 

I suppose this could have something to do with my network setup, however I'm running a static IP setup behind two firewalls as follows:


External port set to 40000 on my primary modem / router (192.168.1.1).  Port 40000 forwards to 192.168.1.2.

The second router has an internal IP address of 192.168.0.1 (external of 192.168.1.2) and forwards External port 40000 to Internal port 32400 @ 192.168.1.141. 

The forwards are fine, everything is accessible externally, the official Plex apps are just completely faltering for me and fail to access my server either from inside or outside the network.... 

External port set to 40000 on my primary modem / router (192.168.1.1).  Port 40000 forwards to 192.168.1.2.
The second router has an internal IP address of 192.168.0.1 (external of 192.168.1.2) and forwards External port 40000 to Internal port 32400 @ 192.168.1.141.


Unless that's a typo you have you forwarding goofed up.
outside port 40,000 to port 40,000 on 192.168.1.2 is fine
Port 40,000 on "outside" 192.168.1.2 to port 32,4000 on 192.168.1.141 is wrong

If you meant 192.168.0.141 then it would be ok but not 192.168.1.141. The x.x.1.x was your outside while the x.x.0.x is your inside. Ports look ok.

Carlo