Quiet voice but load action on some videos.

Hi all,

I have had this issue for some time and have done a lot of searching and found no real definitive answer.
Some of my videos, I think I have narrowed it down to mainly 5.1 or DTS videos are very quiet when being played through all my devices, but the action is loud. So if I turn it up to hear the speaking the action gets way to loud.
Transcoding helps a bit, and I am almost to the point of potentially re-encoding every single video I have to have stereo sound.

The devices I am using are listed below along with stuff I have tried.

Samsung Smart TV - Wired
Playstation 3 - Wired
XBox 360 - Wired
iPhone 6 Plus - WiFi
Samsung Smart TV - WiFi
Friends connect with a variety of devices and PlexWeb

I have tried the following primarily on my Wired Samsung TV as this is my main device in the lounge.
I have tried all the different playback modes (Auto, Direct Play, Direct Stream, Transcode)
I have tried changing the audio/subtitle settings from Auot to PCM only, PCM+DD and PCSM+DTS all of which are the same.

The TV in the bedroom is a bit better and transcodes over WiFi.

I have also played with some setting son the PMS but the only real options I see I can change appear to only effect the PlexWeb.

Has anyone actually found any answers to this at all? It would be handy if there was simply a default audio output setting on the server so I can just set it to Stereo so PMS will transcode any audio into Stereo if needed.

Regards

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Noone got any input on this? :frowning:

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My input will be a bit non-direct and speculative as I have noticed the same issue on many movies and a few TV shows but I do not think it is actually a “Plex” problem but rather more an encoding and even an original source problem.

Many shows are originally designed for movie theaters only and the acoustics there of and they are designed to be played at a VERY high volume. There is no intention of the audio being listened in the relatively small confines of the typical living room or even home theater.

Many, but not all and possibly not even most, receivers and other home audio decoders are designed with this in mind and they compensate for the apparent imbalance and make the music and other noises closer in volume so that the one does not overwhelm the other.

Unfortunately this is not usually adjustable and force those of us that prefer a more balanced experience to take other measures. I do not use any advanced audio, above Dolby 2.1, because of the excessive volume that much content has for things other than dialog. If I placed the volume, even on the best receiver I have tested, at a level where I can hear the dialog on much of the media I have then my neighbors two doors down or across the street would complain.

My solution is to only use Dolby stereo and pass that through a volume limiter. The one I use is this:https://www.amazon.com/Terk-VR1-Automatic-TV-Controller/dp/B00008VWOJ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1467232021&sr=8-3&keywords=volume+limiter I have two and I hope they never fail because the price has nearly doubled since I acquired mine and their availability is becoming VERY limited. There have been devices like that designed for optical and HDMI but Amazon pulled all of them and I do not see them elsewhere either. I suspect that those did not and do not work at all well and so had too many complaints.

Some receivers and TVs have similar functionality built in but I have not seen any that work well.

I used to think that volume limiting functionality belonged outside Plex BUT I am now of the opinion that it is functionality that Plex actually needs and should have but it would need to be able to be completely disabled and disabled should be the default. But Plex’s desire for limiting user choices and user configuration makes anything like that quite unlikely.

I do not expect that content makers will ever go back to producing content with balanced audio so the “fix” will have to be external for those of us that do not wish to listen at high volumes and/or do not wish to offend our neighbors particularly in apartments.

It is possible that the innovations in headphones might produce a truly comfortable, wearable and listenable experience but, so far, all headphones I’ve tried fall well short of comfortable usability for extended listening. But they have become a lot better recently and I hope they may get to the point where I find them usable.

The modern innovations in audio are not aimed at the user that wants a full experience without excessive overall volume and I do not see that changing so I very much doubt that there is a solution for you other that using the encoding process to “fix” the audio as you have already discovered.

Sorry I could not provide a solution. :frowning:

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Don’t be sorry, that was very insightful and has given me a different perspective.

I had always assumed it was my attempt to play Surround Sound audio tracks through stereo speakers, and as such the dialogue is quiet because there is no central speaker for it. I was going to try re-encoding the audio with Handbrake or something, but I am not keen on this idea as I do have a fair amount of files that would need this process and I am not all that comfortable setting up a batch and leaving it running. Therefore the time required would be rather significant.

I will certainly look at the device you linked, but as I am in the UK I will have to see if I can find it on the UK site or maybe we have a supplier here that also sells it.

Thanks Again!

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I think your tv sets should have a ‘night mode’ or a ‘dynamic range compressor’, as this the actual technical name of the feature.
The HTPC Plex clients Plex Home Theater and PMP have support for this also. (Although in PMP it is still a bit hidden.)

@OttoKerner said:
I think your tv sets should have a ‘night mode’ or a ‘dynamic range compressor’, as this the actual technical name of the feature.
The HTPC Plex clients Plex Home Theater and PMP have support for this also. (Although in PMP it is still a bit hidden.)

As I said in my earlier post, although I did not mention TVs, there are a number of devices that provide that functionality, sort of. Night modes, dynamic range compression and other names that encompass the same idea but no TV, receiver or other reasonably priced device (except the one I linked) seem to do the job well. The “midnight” mode on the several receivers I have tested actually make the problem worse in that in order to understand dialog you have to jump the volume up to the point where music and noise parts of movies are just much too loud.

Manufacturers and designers and content providers and developers of apps just never really provide a good way for damaged hearing and/or thin walls to listen and actually understand dialog.

I have a Raspberry Pi so I can try its abilities in this regard but it is not my primary client. (that is my Roku as it is easier to use) my hardware solution works for me but, as I said earlier, I have come over to the view that this functionality belongs in Plex and, since at least some clients do not process the audio, there should be a way to make it happen at the server.

I have little hope that Plex will address this in a manner that will work for me but I do hope and, as I said, my current solution does work well for me.

OpenPHT and Rasplex have a preference to boost the center channel (which carries the dialogue) during stereo mixdown. This should help.

Thank you for the additional answers, but all answers seem to point towards 3rd party players or hardware. Neither of which would help when playing any video back through the Plex app on my TV or Console.

As I have mentioned and Elijah_Baley has said, you would think after all this time there would be an option built into Plex Server that will accommodate this for you, either by boosting the center channel stream or transcode the audio into stereo by default.

My only other option would be to buy a surround sound sound bar, and there not cheap!

I have this problem too. Hope PLEx makes a built in option to fix as I’m usually playing on a computer with stereo sound.

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After googling came to this thread.

Just wanted to say I see the exact same behavior on multiple firetv (three different versions for what it’s worth).

Forcing transcode doesn’t help either.

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I have this issue, and have had it for years. I wish plex would fix it as its very annoying

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