[I knew that was gonna happen - Thanx Carlo]
I bet word gets out and my own dog (https://forums.plex.tv/topic/126924-my-daughter-stephanie-and-doogan/) won't speak with me when I get home this evening.
Ugh.
Well, at least not until dinner time... :)
I knew that was gonna happen - Thanx Carlo
I bet word gets out and my own dog (https://forums.plex.tv/topic/126924-my-daughter-stephanie-and-doogan/) won't speak with me when I get home this evening.
Ugh.
[BTW - the Avatar is in remembrance of my Beagle, Bogus, who passed about three years ago]
Yea, I couldn't resist!
Besides, Barkley's our inside scoop on what's going on. He likes to let the "cat" out of the bag occasionally. Ya just have to throw some kibble his way once in a while. :)
But on a serious note at https://plex.tv/about. I think they have him listed in the wrong department. I thought he was in PR and not HR.
It was valid for Plexhilarated to vent about not wanting Barkely around Plex anymore. The topic just didn't fit naturally with the other items being discussed in my opinion. Now, if it simply were one or two sentences requesting a more professional mascot (likely no mascot at all), I don't think it would have raised any eyebrows.
Also, how could you want him gone after what cayars just shared? haha
No problem... and thanx for the follow-up.
It was a bit of a post because I had been biting my tongue about it for a long time.
But my point was made (and I'm sure the Sheriff will have something to say about me dissin' his dog). :unsure:
[You'll notice from my posts that there is very little that I can say in "one or two sentences."]
You'll notice from my posts that there is very little that I can say in "one or two sentences."
Haha you can tell I'm not one to talk in that area.
And, to be completely fair, Plex has been trying to hear from users about people using the server in business settings. And, I think that type of feedback is useful, especially with regards to PHT start up that you mentioned. Maybe they could add a setting to turn that off (and similar) for users that don't want it, and also people in more formal setting might be able to do branding or something of the sort.
And, to be completely fair, Plex has been trying to hear from users about people using the server in business settings. And, I think that type of feedback could be useful, especially with regards to PHT start up. Maybe they could add a setting to turn that off (and similar) so users that don't want it, and people in more formal setting might be able to do branding or something of the sort.
EXACTLY!
As I understand it, that opening image used to be easy to modify, but that flexibility was taken away in subsequent software releases, and now it can only be changed by switching to one of the third party skins. (Someone can correct me here if this was not the case).
EXACTLY!
As I understand it, that opening image used to be easy to modify, but that flexibility was taken away in subsequent software releases, and now it can only be changed by switching to one of the third party skins. (Someone can correct me here if this was not the case).
I think you're right. That definitely rings a bell.
Sounds like we're back to the need for configuration as well as some of the 2 steps forward 1 step back issues cited.
Haha you can tell I'm not one to talk in that area.
And, to be completely fair, Plex has been trying to hear from users about people using the server in business settings. And, I think that type of feedback is useful, especially with regards to PHT start up that you mentioned. Maybe they could add a setting to turn that off (and similar) for users that don't want it, and also people in more formal setting might be able to do branding or something of the sort.
I myself would like to know how this would be used in business settings. Are they going to expect people to have to go to a 3rd part site to create an ID before using a "server" internal to the business?. I'm sure that won't fly in anything but the smallest of orgs with little to no security policies or practices in place. It most assuredly would need Active directory integration and management features and lots of reports (management loves report) before most businesses would give it a second look regardless of it's "front facing" features.
Not saying that to be nasty or anything but it's kind of a fact of life for most business uses.
I myself would like to know how this would be used in business settings. Are they going to expect people to have to go to a 3rd part site to create an ID before using a "server" internal to the business?. I'm sure that won't fly in anything but the smallest of orgs with little to no security policies or practices in place. It most assuredly would need Active directory integration and management features and lots of reports (management loves report) before most businesses would give it a second look regardless of it's "front facing" features.
Not saying that to be nasty or anything but it's kind of a fact of life for most business uses.
Oh, I haven't thought about it at all to be completely honest. I just remember coming across something in an email or a thread. I thought it was someone from Plex, but I could be wrong...or maybe they've moved past it for the reasons you mentioned. Either way, hopefully I'm not spreading false information here haha.
The dimming feature is a great example, and probably the most recent in our minds; however, it's not he only feature that was released with no control. Everyone was (or at least I was) very excited when Extras were released for movies. You even went the extra mile to add curated extras for us. This was very much appreciated. That being said, I still feel as though the Extras feature was not thought out for all users, and was unnecessarily locked down. Hard coding the Extra types seems unnecessary, especially when you didn't check with users as to how they would like to group their extras. Couldn't we just have a setting somewhere where we list the folder names we would like to use and then Plex would use that list to pull ?
Similarly, assuming that users wouldn't like Extras on TV Shows seems like an oversight as well. And, when users brought it up, they were responded that Plex didn't feel it was a priority (though, getting the response was appreciated). I understand that "Specials" can be used to some extent; however, TVDB doesn't like anything that didn't air. Similarly, Specials work at the Series level, while Extras can work at the season or episode level. As such, the Specials season can get bloated very quickly.In any case, the main point is that new features shouldn't be locked down like they are. The dimming thing baffled me from it's introduction and, as cayars pointed out, it was still introduced on new clients.
Yea, Extra's sort of fit into the classification of "half finished releases" we've talked about.
I'm with you on TV shows and Extras. These can be much better then for movies. Many people will only watch a movie once but by their very nature series keep you coming back over and over and you want to get to know the characters, see bloopers, see the characters on late nite, etc. What ever that is directly or indirectly tied to the show/series.
Is there an open request for this?
Carlo
I myself would like to know how this would be used in business settings. Are they going to expect people to have to go to a 3rd part site to create an ID before using a "server" internal to the business?. I'm sure that won't fly in anything but the smallest of orgs with little to no security policies or practices in place. It most assuredly would need Active directory integration and management features and lots of reports (management loves report) before most businesses would give it a second look regardless of it's "front facing" features.
Not saying that to be nasty or anything but it's kind of a fact of life for most business uses.
Carlo,
In a business environment, completely internal, I don't think it can happen any more. A year ago, you could get away with it. I don't see how you can get away with it now.. too much web-centricity. The server doesn't even reflect its Friendly Name until after it's been logged in and connected. It will show as 'unknown'.
I myself would like to know how this would be used in business settings. Are they going to expect people to have to go to a 3rd part site to create an ID before using a "server" internal to the business?. I'm sure that won't fly in anything but the smallest of orgs with little to no security policies or practices in place. It most assuredly would need Active directory integration and management features and lots of reports (management loves report) before most businesses would give it a second look regardless of it's "front facing" features.
Not saying that to be nasty or anything but it's kind of a fact of life for most business uses.
I agree with your concern wholeheartedly. Perhaps my interpretation of a Business Use is already being handled by the ability to create customized skins (at least for PHT). I'm thinking a Systems Integrator or Home Theatre Reseller would prefer a more professional look to their front-end than ol' diggety dog. Perhaps their own logo etc... My thinking was on a much simpler level.
Yea, Extra's sort of fit into the classification of "half finished releases" we've talked about.
I'm with you on TV shows and Extras. These can be much better then for movies. Many people will only watch a movie once but by their very nature series keep you coming back over and over and you want to get to know the characters, see bloopers, see the characters on late nite, etc. What ever that is directly or indirectly tied to the show/series.
Is there an open request for this?
Carlo
There are others floating around, but I think this is the most popular at the moment: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/124701-feature-request-allow-content-extras-for-tv-series/?hl=extras
Carlo,
In a business environment, completely internal, I don't think it can happen any more. A year ago, you could get away with it. I don't see how you can get away with it now.. too much web-centricity. The server doesn't even reflect its Friendly Name until after it's been logged in and connected. It will show as 'unknown'.
Agreed, but ironically some of the bigger "home" system like many in this thread could help them open up the system to real business use by getting rid of these obstacles. Most/many of us work in the field and know exactly what is needed. They would surely need many of the features we are asking for.
While I would surely want to keep the home market, I myself would be trying to go after the true business market also This could open up additional revenue sources with different models such as simultaneous license counts for business use, executive management reporting package add-on, compliance reporting, AD and/or RADIUS authentication add-on, etc. They could sell turnkey hardware or partner with VARS.
There's a few easy business markets that could be targeted such as compliance. Many, many businesses these days make employees watch company made or purchased videos on everything from sexual harassment, security training, business growth and everything in between. With a compliance report (add-on) they could easily give management reports on who has and hasn't watched required videos, etc
There are tons of niche business markets Plex could go after if the product was more "mature" in reporting and administration.
I agree with your concern wholeheartedly. Perhaps my interpretation of a Business Use is already being handled by the ability to create customized skins (at least for PHT). I'm thinking a Systems Integrator or Home Theatre Reseller would prefer a more professional look to their front-end than ol' diggety dog. Perhaps their own logo etc... My thinking was on a much simpler level.
Maybe, but I'd consider that turn-key sales for home use and not business use IMHO.
Not sure if anyone noticed this recent change to the Plex website, but at least we now have "faces" attached to the "team."
https://plex.tv/about
You can hover over each of them and get a useless 3 or 4 word tagline, but seriously... the Bio's idea would add some reality (read: credibility) to the faces.
From the page: We appreciate all of the support we get from our world-class group of investors, led by Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.
Could it be plex is talking more to investors and their needs?
Maybe our bug issues/wants are not on the path of where plex is heading.
For example we want tv extras, plex home fixes, ios updates, imdb as ratings etc etc... (the list goes on) not really going to bring in the big bucks for plex $$$$$
But as we have heard one of the next updates will be plex "taking on itunes" with a new music feature (with 10million investment)
https://gigaom.com/2015/01/07/after-raising-10-million-plex-gets-ready-to-take-on-itunes/
From what i see, what we want and where plex is heading is a complete different path...
And just to add: this is prob why we have seen a increase on "let's get plex on every system we can" even if some don't have all the same working features
Imagine going to investors saying we have x amount of userbase clients
Adding more operating systems means they can turn around and say we have xxxx amount userbase clients
Which means more money for plex and investors!! $$
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From the page: We appreciate all of the support we get from our world-class group of investors, led by Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.
Could it be plex is talking more to investors and their needs?
Maybe our bug issues/wants are not on the path of where plex is heading.
For example we want tv extras, plex home fixes, ios updates, imdb as ratings etc etc... (the list goes on) not really going to bring in the big bucks for plex $$$$$
But as we have heard one of the next updates will be plex "taking on itunes" with a new music feature (with 10million investment)
https://gigaom.com/2015/01/07/after-raising-10-million-plex-gets-ready-to-take-on-itunes/
From what i see, what we want and where plex is heading is a complete different path...
.... And that is why this "Vent" is taking place and why others of us have already drawn conclusions based on past [lack of] performance
I myself would like to know how this would be used in business settings. Are they going to expect people to have to go to a 3rd part site to create an ID before using a "server" internal to the business?. I'm sure that won't fly in anything but the smallest of orgs with little to no security policies or practices in place. It most assuredly would need Active directory integration and management features and lots of reports (management loves report) before most businesses would give it a second look regardless of it's "front facing" features.
Not saying that to be nasty or anything but it's kind of a fact of life for most business uses.
Before you would get Business adoption they would most definitely have to add more Auth Protocols to the system.
And beyond that the way media is structured would have to change drastically so that you could create your own categories beyond the Movie/TV Show breakouts being used.
I could definitely see businesses using the system for training videos for their staff.
But the Auth system is just not fine grained enough to support this type of use.
It could be done outside of the Plex system but most IT departments won't want to go through that to protect content outside of the system that is feeding it.
Yea, that's why I said it would have to support AD (Active Directory) or RADIUS for authentication at a minimum.
...and ''if'' they use the software
Yea, that too. :)
Perhaps the word 'Regression Testing" should also be mentioned? It would go a long way towards ending the "add 1, break 2"
In some cases it would yes. But in other cases like Elan stated earlier (to get HOME out the door and released the DLNA functionality...) would not.
If it's a strategic design choice then the regression testing wouldn't help but in other "normal" cases it would. While it's pure speculation on my part (know this will get quoted later), I think some of the broken stuff is due to "strategic choices" when they already know the outcome, but do it anyway. aka cutting corners
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have a few beta testers to flush much of this out.
