This is really sensitive topic. First things first; since you can always opt-out there is no real problem here from my perspective. Like it or not (honestly I don’t) telemetry is the reality of our age thats why we have Google, who now worth billions…(636B to be exact)
I have always opted-in for data collection in Plex. All I am asking is please make it more useful for the users who actually provide you this valuable information not just for the so called “3rd parties”. For example add trending, most liked, most watched kind of things to Plex which you can generate from the data you collected. I even have a request for this but that time Plex employees responded in a way that I didn’t understand
I just wanted to remind your this. By the way this is from Nov 2012, I kind a feel like visionary
No hiding choices, please. You have the main opt-out in Server, but there is at least another opt-out in Agents>Plex Movie>Settings. And please make all choices either opt-in or opt-out. I’ve seen paperwork/EULA that had lots of permissions, and most were opt-in. Sometimes there was one or two particularly troublesome permissions that were opt-out. I guess the hope was that most would just tick the box without reading.
For anyone who might have mistakenly relaxed based on Plex’s claim that they won’t sell your data, it’s worth noting that FaceBook, a company that exists solely on selling people’s data, also claims that they don’t sell people’s data.
There is no legal value to any company’s statement that they don’t sell data. It is reasonable and prudent to assume that any data which is collected (or more broadly any data which CAN be collected) either is being, or will be sold to anyone who can pay for it.
And of course reserving the right to make any changes to these policies at any time without notice, means that nothing in the policy limits their actions in any way, even if anything they said had any legal force to begin with.
I just bought a new Tablo 4 tuner and a 4TB drive for it. Now I will have live OTA TV (and DVR of it) on every freaking device I own, all my Rokus, my Macs, tablets, phones, whatever. I don’t have to pay for premium Emby to get OTA now.
I still have to pay $5 a month to get guide data from Tablo but it’s not tied to or interconnected with my personal media server, whatever that ends up being.
As for the Tablo, I have ethernet run to every TV in my house but I do not have an OTA antenna wire run to each TV.
I don’t use WIFI unless I have to, I despise WIFI. WIFI is CRAP.
The lack of live OTA TV on my Roku via Plex was a real pain in the butt, I had to wait until the news was over to watch it and that would mess me up on watching live TV later on in the evening. Very annoying. Now I can watch it live anywhere in the house, LIVE.
The backpedaling that Plex has been trying to trick everyone into buying is completely fake and disingenuous. Just read carefully what they are proposing. Plex is not to be trusted.
I’m done with Plex.
It was good for a long time but they got greedy and they’ve stepped on their own junk.
BY THE WAY !!! ANOTHER hidden opt-out that is opted in by default !!
When you install the Plex app on your phones, Roku, PS4, etc. the player app has an option to send “anonymous data” to Plex. Anonymous my ass. If it’s anonymous then what value is it to them? More LIES and DECEIT…
If you continue to use this SHADY AF software be sure to check the settings in your playback apps on your devices !!
I’m very happy to see the option to opt-out of metrics collections on our personal library files. That’s basically all I ever needed out of plex so kudos for reacting so fast. As for metrics collected by third party services I’m perfectly aware of them and, if I so want, I can easily not use them which works fine by me. Thanks for listening to your costumers guys.
@Core-Lokt said:
No hiding choices, please. You have the main opt-out in Server, but there is at least another opt-out in Agents>Plex Movie>Settings.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!! There’s a second, hidden opt-out.
How is this “hidden”? AFAIK it’s clearly visible in the relevant section, and I don’t see a reason to put it anywhere else. If you don’t use Plex Movie as an agent you don’t need to care for this setting, I started using Plex when agents were “freebase” and “TMDB”, set it to TMDB and never cared about Plex Movie
How is this “hidden”? AFAIK it’s clearly visible in the relevant section, and I don’t see a reason to put it anywhere else. If you don’t use Plex Movie as an agent you don’t need to care for this setting, I started using Plex when agents were “freebase” and “TMDB”, set it to TMDB and never cared about Plex Movie
I know, you wouldn’t care. But some of us want to have ONE opt-out switch, not many, so that there’s always one to miss.
There should be a separate section in the server settings which brings all of the data collection/privacy stuff together, including for client devices.
@adrianwi said:
There should be a separate section in the server settings which brings all of the data collection/privacy stuff together, including for client devices.
That would be useful to have an overall look to all privacy option, but each switch should be in its related section. It would be a mess to just have different switches all together in a setting page, out of context.
@Core-Lokt said:
No hiding choices, please. You have the main opt-out in Server, but there is at least another opt-out in Agents>Plex Movie>Settings.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!! There’s a second, hidden opt-out.
How is this “hidden”? AFAIK it’s clearly visible in the relevant section, and I don’t see a reason to put it anywhere else. If you don’t use Plex Movie as an agent you don’t need to care for this setting, I started using Plex when agents were “freebase” and “TMDB”, set it to TMDB and never cared about Plex Movie
Clearly visible-once you know where to look.
Plex>Settings>Server>General>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
This helps us improve your experience (for example, to help us match movies and TV shows).
Plex>Settings>Server>Agents>Movies>Plex Movie>Settings>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
The Options are identical, except the qualifier in the first example-which I would think applies to the second option. So why the redundancy and different locations for (AFAICS) the same option?
@Core-Lokt said:
No hiding choices, please. You have the main opt-out in Server, but there is at least another opt-out in Agents>Plex Movie>Settings.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!! There’s a second, hidden opt-out.
How is this “hidden”? AFAIK it’s clearly visible in the relevant section, and I don’t see a reason to put it anywhere else. If you don’t use Plex Movie as an agent you don’t need to care for this setting, I started using Plex when agents were “freebase” and “TMDB”, set it to TMDB and never cared about Plex Movie
Clearly visible-once you know where to look.
Plex>Settings>Server>General>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
This helps us improve your experience (for example, to help us match movies and TV shows).
Plex>Settings>Server>Agents>Movies>Plex Movie>Settings>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
The Options are identical, except the qualifier in the first example-which I would think applies to the second option. So why the redundancy and different locations for (AFAICS) the same option?
Because one is for the server software and one is for the scanner/database.
@Core-Lokt said:
Clearly visible-once you know where to look.
Clearly visible when you are setting your preferences for the relative section.
The Options are identical, except the qualifier in the first example-which I would think applies to the second option. So why the redundancy and different locations for (AFAICS) the same option?
We know basically nothing about what each of these options does, so your guess (that they are the same) is just that, a guess. I always thought that the first one was for the general use of plex, while the second one is explicitly related to Plex Movie agent, and there’s some granularity in that you can chose one and not the other, of course this is a guess too and that sentence “to help us match movies and TV shows” casts some doubt.
As far I can see, they have not updated the Privacy Policy to reflect what they were collecting, but changed it to collect more info, without stating what exactly is collected.
Because one is for the server software and one is for the scanner/database.
Why would I care?!?!?!
To drive a car I don’t need to know a mechanic. To opt-out I don’t need to know about different SW-modules. That’s just Plex bullshitting us, because they hope that the users will miss one of the switches. Also, with the introduction with GDPR at least in Europe this will change: consumers and governments won’t accept this kind of behavior any more!
Because one is for the server software and one is for the scanner/database.
Why would I care?!?!?!
To drive a car I don’t need to know a mechanic. To opt-out I don’t need to know about different SW-modules. That’s just Plex bullshitting us, because they hope that the users will miss one of the switches. Also, with the introduction with GDPR at least in Europe this will change: consumers and governments won’t accept this kind of behavior any more!
Worse, I’ve opted out of all of these and still see traffic attempting to reach metrics.plex.tv at my edge.
@Trotter999 said:
As far I can see, they have not updated the Privacy Policy to reflect what they were collecting, but changed it to collect more info, without stating what exactly is collected.
They actually stated what is collected, although in a clumsy way (the infamous “such as” sentence), but the new communication from the CEO seems to promise a more transparent, more granular approach to opt-out and data harvesting. Also if you read the latest CEO message, it’s useful to point out that there were exceptions to the opt-out, making the “old” opt-out option actually quite misleading.
@Core-Lokt said:
No hiding choices, please. You have the main opt-out in Server, but there is at least another opt-out in Agents>Plex Movie>Settings.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!! There’s a second, hidden opt-out.
How is this “hidden”? AFAIK it’s clearly visible in the relevant section, and I don’t see a reason to put it anywhere else. If you don’t use Plex Movie as an agent you don’t need to care for this setting, I started using Plex when agents were “freebase” and “TMDB”, set it to TMDB and never cared about Plex Movie
Clearly visible-once you know where to look.
Plex>Settings>Server>General>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
This helps us improve your experience (for example, to help us match movies and TV shows).
Plex>Settings>Server>Agents>Movies>Plex Movie>Settings>Send anonymous usage data to Plex
The Options are identical, except the qualifier in the first example-which I would think applies to the second option. So why the redundancy and different locations for (AFAICS) the same option?
Because one is for the server software and one is for the scanner/database.
Understood; I figured it is due to third-party services for the latter. In that case, I think the Plex Movie name ought to reflect the metadata source, as having the former opt-out seems to obviate the latter.
