@DustSt0rm said:
I think there needs to be some discussion about where the DVR stands. I know you wont talk release times, but the glaring lack of communication and updates is starting to look/feel like abandonware. From what I have gathered, its on a 3rd party to take the next steps, but some/any communication is really needed.
I’ve commented a few times in the forums, but we’re working on two main things right now:
Getting the DVR code into the mainline codebase so that we don’t need to make special releases.
After having resynced recently with the 1.3 releases, making another special beta release with some bug-fixes.
Those are mostly thankless tasks which aren’t that sexy, but then we’re also working on other bigger chunks and are committed to continuing to add features and fix bugs well into the coming year
I’m a bit surprised, considering a lot of time was devoted to this in the last roundtables. What are you trying to find out with this discussion? If there’s interest?
I’m a bit surprised, considering a lot of time was devoted to this in the last roundtables. What are you trying to find out with this discussion? If there’s interest?
That’s a more general statement. There was an ask in here about NAS transcoding, hardware support, QNAP. So we’re going to talk a little about that. I included non-PC devices of capability of Shield/Routers and such was something anyone wanted to include (I recall that was brought up about that and the “why” behind going in that direction). I intentionally left out specific feature suggestions because it seemes folks wanted to discuss direction, background, etc (something that works well when its live video). Though the Open Q&A would be a good place to bring up a hot item, just don’t want to make these sessions all about feature suggestions. As with any of the items on the agenda, if there is more interest in one area, less in another, we’ll shift the discussion as appropriate. I’m all for making this fluid, just want to have some structure.
Totally unexpectedly I have received an invite to the roundtable. I did not expect that at all. I have previously stated that I did not think my participation was a good idea because of some basic differences with the Plex people.
I decided to post here and ask if other users felt my participation would be positive or negative. Clearly I will do as I feel best but I seem to keep going back and forth and thought that maybe asking for some opinions might help.
Of course I do not promise to follow any advice given (Unless a Plex person chimes in to say I am not wanted and the invite was a mistake) but I would be more than willing to listen to any ideas others might have. Right now I am leaning, slightly, in the direction of not participating but that is subject to change and I eagerly await any post with suggestions.
Now I’m off to don my flack jacket and helmet to protect from the possible shrapnel.
@Elijah_Baley said:
Now I have a decision I have to make about this:
Totally unexpectedly I have received an invite to the roundtable. I did not expect that at all. I have previously stated that I did not think my participation was a good idea because of some basic differences with the Plex people.
I decided to post here and ask if other users felt my participation would be positive or negative. Clearly I will do as I feel best but I seem to keep going back and forth and thought that maybe asking for some opinions might help.
Of course I do not promise to follow any advice given (Unless a Plex person chimes in to say I am not wanted and the invite was a mistake) but I would be more than willing to listen to any ideas others might have. Right now I am leaning, slightly, in the direction of not participating but that is subject to change and I eagerly await any post with suggestions.
Now I’m off to don my flack jacket and helmet to protect from the possible shrapnel.
You have been invited so that the choice of attending is yours, now ours
@Elijah_Baley said:
Now I have a decision I have to make about this:
Totally unexpectedly I have received an invite to the roundtable. I did not expect that at all. I have previously stated that I did not think my participation was a good idea because of some basic differences with the Plex people.
I decided to post here and ask if other users felt my participation would be positive or negative. Clearly I will do as I feel best but I seem to keep going back and forth and thought that maybe asking for some opinions might help.
Of course I do not promise to follow any advice given (Unless a Plex person chimes in to say I am not wanted and the invite was a mistake) but I would be more than willing to listen to any ideas others might have. Right now I am leaning, slightly, in the direction of not participating but that is subject to change and I eagerly await any post with suggestions.
Now I’m off to don my flack jacket and helmet to protect from the possible shrapnel.
I believe you should participate, because there can’t be a debate about anything if there aren’t people representing both sides or an argument.
That said, the big thread with Mike and Elan turned pretty ugly (not your particular fault). I hope this discussion can be a bit more civilized and I hope BOTH SIDES can be a bit more open to what the other side has to say.
I was more than a little shocked to see I had also received an invitation. Charles, (@kinoCharlino) and I have been discussing a few things off-line regarding this. Specifically discussing the survey idea I had, as well as topics of discussion, etc.
I WILL be attending on the 13th, if nothing else to see what is going to be said about the direction Plex is going, and to see if there is more evasion during the discussion. So for those of you also attending on that day, I will hold any of my discussion on the Q/A portion, rather than try to monopolize the rest of the meeting. (Although I do have a few pointed questions about hardware choices Plex Media Server has been ported to, lately… Might chime in a bit there.) And maybe a bit on the Plex Dance, too…
@Elijah_Baley, I urge you to also attend. You know what we were told the last one we were privy too, so you can also try to read the faces, eye movements and expressions. Maybe we can get together a few days later, and discuss what we both observed. We’ve both experienced the hedging fact-to-face, so to speak, so if we see it again, we’ll know what’s up… On the other hand, if there’s eye contact, and firm statements and commitments this time, well, that would be a new thing, wouldn’t it.
The bottom line here is simple… This is the only way to actually get our voices heard, observe responses, and decide what we’ve seen…
@MikeG6.5 said:
…you can also try to read the faces, eye movements and expressions. Maybe we can get together a few days later, and discuss what we both observed. … if there’s eye contact, and firm statements …
Well now that you’ve tipped me off, I’ll be sure to make firm eye contact with my webcam.
In all seriousness, though, you know we rarely if ever discuss future plans, and will generally only comment in a few ways: a) we’re working on it b) it’s on our radar and c) no plans. I just want to set expectations here properly.
@DustSt0rm said:
I think there needs to be some discussion about where the DVR stands. I know you wont talk release times, but the glaring lack of communication and updates is starting to look/feel like abandonware. From what I have gathered, its on a 3rd party to take the next steps, but some/any communication is really needed.
I’ve commented a few times in the forums, but we’re working on two main things right now:
Getting the DVR code into the mainline codebase so that we don’t need to make special releases.
After having resynced recently with the 1.3 releases, making another special beta release with some bug-fixes.
Those are mostly thankless tasks which aren’t that sexy, but then we’re also working on other bigger chunks and are committed to continuing to add features and fix bugs well into the coming year
Thanks for the reply @elan. I know you guys are working in the background on many things and i don’t need to be involved in or know anything about and I am well aware of the policy to not provide dates, so that is not my request.
My response/request would be this. Instead of commenting a few sporadic times in the forums, post once in a the “stuck” thread up top about high level status updates every off and on. I have gathered a lot of info off your posts in the past, but I don’t want to stalk all the threads you have posted in
I just saw there was an update to the dvr, and like you said it is mostly bug fixes. I can’t wait for the full mainstream release in any form!
I completely missed that there were new roundtables happening, despite visiting these forums more often than I should.
I was very happy to see that PMP and big screen philosophy as a high level topic. This was my only question at the last roundtable and it didn’t seem to fit with the main focus points then. It became clear why with released of Cloud and DVR afterwards of course.
I’ve found it very difficult to work out whether PMP is as important to Plex Co. as it is to me or is my kind of set up (dedicated mac mini for PMS and PMP connected to AVR and big screen) no longer the most common? For me this is the core ‘feature’ that I want - PMP that is UI optimised for navigation by smart remote.
I can’t wait to hear/discuss this.
@DustSt0rm said:
I just saw there was an update to the dvr, and like you said it is mostly bug fixes. I can’t wait for the full mainstream release in any form!
It includes bug fixes and the latest features added to PMS through version 1.3.1!
@elan said:
We don’t have any current plans to take EPG data sent over-the-air, at least at this point, mostly because we haven’t wrapped our heads about where this would be helpful
Not a sports fan? This is great for sporting events. Say a football game goes into overtime or the baseball game has a rain delay or goes to 14 innings. By being able to use the over the air EPG you can properly extend the recordings or adjust/shift the times of something you wanted to record that is now affected by the game.
@MikeG6.5 said:
…you can also try to read the faces, eye movements and expressions. Maybe we can get together a few days later, and discuss what we both observed. … if there’s eye contact, and firm statements …
Well now that you’ve tipped me off, I’ll be sure to make firm eye contact with my webcam.
LOL. Nahhh… you could totally go looking like a cross between the uni-bomber and one of those dudes on ESPN in the world championship of poker. Stealth mode, activate!
@cayars said:
Not a sports fan? This is great for sporting events.
Not a sports fan, but I meant to imply more that I’m not sure how the information is embedded around the world, and what it would take to make use of it
@shpankey said:
LOL. Nahhh… you could totally go looking like a cross between the uni-bomber and one of those dudes on ESPN in the world championship of poker. Stealth mode, activate!
@elan said:
We don’t have any current plans to take EPG data sent over-the-air, at least at this point, mostly because we haven’t wrapped our heads about where this would be helpful
Not a sports fan? This is great for sporting events. Say a football game goes into overtime or the baseball game has a rain delay or goes to 14 innings. By being able to use the over the air EPG you can properly extend the recordings or adjust/shift the times of something you wanted to record that is now affected by the game.
Maybe things have changed in the years since I lived in an area where I could actually receive TV broadcasts but when I used DVRs (as recently as 3.5 years ago) I have never seen an EPG that would dynamically update based on an event’s extension or delay.
Maybe they do now but Sling TV, Playstation Vue, USTV and the guide that come from my cable company (I can access the guide even though I do not receive the programming) do not correct for those kinds of changes.
While it is possible that TV broadcasters “could” dynamically update their data I do not think they do or have any plans to.
While it is possible that TV broadcasters “could” dynamically update their data I do not think they do or have any plans to.
But: “I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.”
I’m almost certain that here in the UK the broadcasters DO update their EPG data in this scenario. I know sky TV (subscription satelite) and FreeSat do. I don’t yet have Freeview (OTA DVB-T) so cannot confirm for that. Depending on how the DVR beta goes I may well get involved more in that soon - I haven’t yet due to crap OTA reception where i live.
Everyone who registered has been invited to the roundtable they signed up for. If you have not received an email about it, please PM me. That email also contained a release form that everyone attending will need to sign if we are to make the recording available.
