Anybody else switching to Jellyfin?

Ouch. That’s definitely a broader bug.

Be sure when “powering off” you are actually pulling the power cable. Rebooting it via menu or remote button keeps a lot of info cached and only pulling the power cable for a few seconds will fully clear some stuff. Just a thought.

Here’s a kinda involved option to try. Log outta Roku and iOS devices. Then try logging in via web and unpinning all your libraries and wait for a few minutes - or log out\back in - and then try pinning them again via web. Then once that’s there log into Roku\iOS devices and see if it picks it up.

I would highly recommend creating a new topic and mention it’s a Roku and iOS issue because it’s likely something account-ish related if it’s impacting both (and easier for other folks to help you out if this is it’s own topic - reps probably aren’t reading this topic).

Do you have “sync watch status” enabled? I don’t have that enabled and I don’t think it’s supposed to be related to local media stuff really but maybe that’s trying to sync something account related that’s corrupted or not working right? Just a thought. If you start a new topic go ahead and tag me… even if I don’t have any other ideas I’d be curious about it.

I’m using a Windows 10 box with Plex and Jellyfin both running as Windows services (both active at the same time)… have had this set up for about a year. If I run into issues with Plex, I can just open up the Jellyfin app and still get to the content.

I ‘have’ liked the Plex UI better until they broke the unified Android app into 3 apps (Plex, Plexamp and Plex Photos) earlier this year. After they did that, I thought ‘well… at least the Roku app is still really good… until yesterday.

Like everyone else, I’m coming to the conclusion that Plex doesn’t really seem to monitor (or care about) this forum as they rarely post anything. It feels like they’re changing their focus over to a recurring revenue model (subscriptions) and they retooling the apps to promote that on all platforms. Given that change, it seems pretty unlikely that they’ll be reversing course on any of these changes.

Hoping they can at least restore some settings that will allow Plex Pass users to recover some of the lost functionality. If not, I expect they’ll be shedding a lot of users from this change.

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Agree. It’s seemed clear for some time that Plex were tacitly abandoning their original media owner community for a chimerical slice of the streaming subscription pie. (Don’t they realize that ship has sailed?) I’ve been a Pass subscriber for many years, having just missed the Lifetime offering. I too have stayed with them primarily for their nuanced storage/naming processing on the back end—and been happy with the web interface…which so far they haven’t borked. I can still use that on a Zbox media server minus the sophisticated audio.

I appreciate your detailed posts….and your participation in the beta. I might have piled in myself if I’d been paying more attention. Care to share any of your insights on Jellyfin vs Emby on this thread as worthy successors? I might drop both into Docker containers on my server in anticipation of further Plex deterioration. Best.

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I just cancelled my Plex Pass subscription. Even if they fix this mess I’m done. You just don’t dump garbage like this on your paying users.

I think I’ll try Emby first and then maybe Jellyfin if it’s not up to snuff.

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They will “update” the desktop app to this crap eventually too.

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This guy has a workaround for the desktop. I don’t know if it will actually work but I tried it anyway.

Also just cancelled my plex pass after 3 years. I just need to decide on Emby or Jellyfin at this point.

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Yes, just downloaded and installed Jellyfin as a service on the Windows system that was my Plex server. Shutdown Plex, configured Jellyfin, lots of metadata to fix but at least I can watch my media without the monetization BS that Plex has been introducing. Currently watching Le Mans.

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I’ve had plex since 2012 and have a lifetime plex pass like a lot of people here. I have mostly Roku devices here and the plex app on them is very buggy, from not being able to navigate to hangs to crashes.. the only “device” that is currently working is my LG tv because that app is too old to be updated lol. Ultimately, I don’t think we’ll ever hear from an official rep from plex, they will just stay silent while everyone complains, hoping that it will just go away. They probably won’t revert back as much as I would like to because they want to push their new UI no matter what. It is really a sad day that I need to now figure out Jellyfin, but this is going to be giving me the push I need to finally do it. Seen a few very recent vids online about it and how to configure it with ldap/mfa and reverse proxy to secure it, so that’s my route now and my homework for the next week. Truly sad.

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What is a “d-pad”?

I think you’re right about the lack of an announcement causing the push back. Failure to involve the customers is a classic project management mistake. This change came as a huge surprise. I searched my email and there isn’t even one message about either the development or the implementation of this new app. How could they believe a forum thread was enough? I suspect most customer don’t use the forum. It makes the effort appear to be amateurish, and that is not what anyone would expect from a well-established company like Plex.

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I’ve been thinking about switching ever since the pricing update. I’ve been a lifetime pass holder for ages, yet, this change bode bad things about where PLEX is going (charge customers to stream their own content over their own connections… Please!)
I’m glad I’ve been getting everything in place to switch to Emby (love Jellyfin, just not polished enough). This is causing absolute hell with my elderly father and I’ve had enough. I don’t need PLEX’s content taking priority over my father’s content. PLEX, you had one job and you did it well and then set it all on fire. Good one!

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I also agree about the financial incentive to change to streaming revenue. It’s just sad to lose the old Plex.

I installed both jellyfin and emby. I like emby more and probably will get a premium account. It provides some nice features, and some of them aren’t available in Plex. I have emby running on a separate computer for testing and it’s working well with a shared network drive to the computer running my Plex server.

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I am comparing Emby and Plex, and while I’ve seen some comments about Emby’s file naming and other peculiarities, I haven’t encountered any issues so far. I directed the Emby server to my media files stored across NAS (Network Attached Storage) units and Windows servers, one of which is running Emby. The only noticeable difference is that Emby is slower than Plex when scanning media files. If your file structure is organized to meet Plex’s standards, Emby should have no trouble scanning your media. The posters and metadata between the two are nearly identical. I didn’t have the time to thoroughly compare the UI on Roku, but from what I’ve observed, it resembles the older version of Plex. Emby integrated my HDHomeRun seamlessly, and once I linked it to the correct guide, everything displayed properly—something Plex has often failed to manage. I opted for the lifetime membership with Emby, even though I might switch back to Plex or another media server in the future. My reasoning is that supporting competition is essential; relying on a single company like Plex to dictate how we consume media can be limiting.

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We have been SCREWED.

Plex is pushing this DISASTER strictly for money.

Still Have a ROKU TV that cannot work on PLEX , freezes up then you have to reboot the TV…

On an older roku I see it’s extremely difficult to find my servers. CANNOT REORDER either you are stuck with the BS they are Pushing…

They are pushing the Revenue items. I still Remember when First purchasing the Lifetime Subscription shortly after they started. PLEX claimed all these things they pull now, they were NEVER going to do upon STARTUP.
Just more LIARS and THIEVES from the Tech world.. I have a few Firesticks I have started using… How soon will PLEX force them to update to BS DISASTER

This is TOTALLY BY DESIGN and if you Notice they are NOT responding

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I can’t find it now but someone posted a really good chart that compared Jellyfin\Emby\Plex mostly around offline and customization aspects - it was minimal but had some nice references and maybe someone else remembers it and can find it for us. :slight_smile:

I kinda have a “long post” habit so I don’t mind laying this out but it’s really just my own perspective and you’ll definitely find lots of reviews and videos and such that can deep dive into more specifics between the three different platforms (I’ll skip Kodi or Infuse type options).

One aspect that is imperative is that I paid for a lifetime plex pass a LONG time ago. I have no financial consideration anymore. Plex isn’t getting any money from me and Plex isn’t considered a “cost” to use anymore; I got my money’s worth years ago. Jellyfin is free and fully functional while Emby isn’t so right there might be the entire decision made for some folks.

If you - or others - weren’t aware, Jellyfin is a fork of Emby. Emby went a bit proprietary and Jellyfin is an offshoot that stayed open source. Emby is pay - similar to Plex, you can use it for free but some functions are behind a paywall - and Jellyfin is free. What that means for those two projects is that foundationally they work very similarly. Emby has been around a long time, it’s just been long overshadowed by Plex’s dominance.

From my perspective both Emby and Jellyfin are very much solid replacements for Plex. What you’ll find as advantages will depend a lot on what you value in your setup. So, here’s my basic setup and why I still prefer Plex… for now.

I have 3 video libraries (Movies, TV Shows, Anime Shows) and two music libraries (Christmas Music, Main). I have all discovery, online services, friends, and rating stuff disabled at my account level. I share my Plex with a couple friends and my household - who aren’t always tech savvy - that also have that stuff turned off (I give them instructions). That simple setup - particularly only a few libraries - makes a lot of my Plex uses easier to manage through a lot of their recent changes. Plex doesn’t expect people to use libraries for organization or management anymore because of some of their feature updates for managing versions and editions and sharing so they’ve reversed that recommendation and expect as few libraries as possible so Plex features\functions have been designed with that in mind. Of course they didn’t really publicize that very well but that’s a different long talk. :slight_smile:

At this point Emby, Jellyfin and Plex would work about the same for me and anybody else using it similarly just wanting to browse and play their videos.

Here’s where it gets different for me. For every 4k movie I keep an SD version as well (doesn’t require transcoding - a future proofing compatibility thing more than anything else). In Emby and Jellyfin I’d have to manage that with very specific file naming to manually differentiate those files and make sure they are listed under the same title but in Plex, it does it automatically even if the file is named pretty loosely. I also keep editions of some titles - directors cuts and such - and Plex now handles that as matched but separate titles with tags (a bit more manual but still mostly automatic) which I prefer to Emby\Jellyfin keeping versions and editions in the same title. If someone hits “play” on a title Plex will read the client information and if it’s a 1080p TV it’ll play the 1080p version, not try to transcode the 4kHDR version; it does this automatically. Emby\Jellyfin don’t do that very well and expect you to pick the right version to play. Emby\Jellyfin also handles editions the same way - manual selection from a dropdown mixed in with versions based on specific file naming. None of that is wrong but I’ve been able to be lazy with Plex doing “Just works” for most people when they need to play a file without having to think of which version or edition.

A note about file naming - it’s not draconian for Emby and Jellyfin. It’s just particular and significantly more so if you have different versions because of functionality built into reading the file name rather than just the media info. If you don’t have different versions or editions it’s pretty forgiving.

Another aspect is Smart Collections. Emby and Jellyfin don’t really do this yet (Emby v5 is supposed to get it). I like my smart collections because I’ve customized my Home Screen with them. I only have a couple default rows on the Home Screen and the rest I’ve replaced for me and my users (including on Recommend screens though I barely ever use that screen). For example, I replaced the Recently Added Movies and Recently Released Movies with a custom ones that removes watched titles so as someone watches movies that were recently added or released they get removed from the row (why keep one you’ve already watched in a “recent” row?). I also have a few collections that use random function to bubble up nostalgic action\adventure movies, movies that haven’t been watched in a long time, and some other generic ones. Usually about 20-30 titles.

The only default ones I left are for recently added TV Shows because that’s a special row that will group episodes and seasons and you can’t replicate that with a smart collection. I’ve tried because I wanted to remove watched items from there like I do movies, and even posted about it to try and work it out, but just can’t because Plex has secret sauce in that row.

I never use the music libraries on TV - I use PlexAmp on my phone with a Sonos system (not great but it works fine - not Plex’s fault and PlexAmp is pretty awesome). So when Music was removed it didn’t impact me but I still argued against it because most people’s best audio setup is their home theater setup now, not a receiver and box speakers anymore but a soundbar and subwoofer connected to their TV. Unless you’re an audiophile.

What that Home Screen customization - and the version\edition simplicity - does for me and my users is remove decision fatigue - browsing 1000 titles for “what do I wanna watch” - and allows them to just stay on the Home Screen and avoid extra navigation while being fed a selection of titles. Titles that if they browse for a bit will reset with a few new titles. This is a big reason the New Experience doesn’t impact me quite as much because I almost never actually browse away from the Home Screen.

I also have a lot of years of watch history and some of those collections are based on watch history so losing that by switching would be an annoyance.

Emby and Jellyfin cannot replicate that experience. They can’t do dynamic collections and you can’t set collections\playlists as rows on the Home Screen (you can customize a bit but not quite to the same extent). Or at least you couldn’t last time I fiddled with both platforms. I know Emby is getting that feature - or something like it - in their V5 release that’s coming up in the near future.

Another aspect that differentiates Emby and Jellyfin is application polish and ease of use. Plex pretty much had them beat for the most part. Emby has a lot more native client and server options compared to Jellyfin. Emby has an official QNAP and Synology package and keep clients up to date. Jellyfin doesn’t have as much native NAS support (there are projects that compile for QNAP and Synology) but does have good docker setup; but docker setup being easy once you get used to it still has a hurdle and isn’t quite as slick as native can be (hardware transcoding and network routing can be funny with docker - not hard but still an extra technical step to setup and manage). Jellyfin client support is also pretty mismatched - it works fine but Roku in particular was way behind. Jellyfin is very much an open source project and expects a lot of “you choose your settings”. Emby does too, when compared to Plex, but not quite as specific. Plex really is mostly a set and forget for most aspects of both server and client. And for both Jellyfin and Emby who share similar interface it just feels kinda older and just not quite so slick. Plex had them beat there - at least until now. Plex has added friction to local media access and lost ground to Emby and Jellyfin because of it. Like I said, I don’t mind because I barely leave the Home Screen but I understand why it’s particularly frustrating to others with more libraries (either personal or shared). Now, one benefit some of that extra technical setting exposure does do is that Emby and Jellyfin beat Plex in how customized and tweaked you can get things - particularly Jellyfin. If you like to tinker and fiddle and manually manage more things then they beat Plex hands down. On the other side, I’m not thrilled with managing another “project” … I did that with XBMC and other media solutions back in the day (custom ReplayTV firmware and a plethora of old desktops\laptops with dongles to attach to TV aux inputs) and don’t really wanna have to do that again.

Lastly, one area Emby\Jellyfin beat Plex is offline access. You can use both without an internet connection. This can be very important to many people (and is becoming a bit more important to me now that Plex isn’t just acting as a relay but is collecting data from it). One disadvantage is that remote access is a little tricker. Emby has a relay type option if you pay but if you’re used to old school media center setups or self hosting things then really it’s just a matter of proper port forwarding and DDNS setup (better yet, tail scale or VPN if you wanna harden it more but some clients won’t support that).

So… I guess generally I view Plex as still “better” than other options because it provides some specific QoL functions that I’d prefer not to do without if I can avoid it and switching services would be a chore (particularly file renaming - even with file renamer apps). As long as I can disable all those online services and discovery features as well. Because of that “chore” involved in switching, Plex has to get particularly annoying for me - and my couple of users - to switch. For others though … nothing stops you from running all three at the same time actually and trying them out; they won’t conflict.

The question was more which one is a successor though and mostly I’ve talked about Plex vs Emby\Jellyfin to provide a bit of context for my decisions. Personally I’ll be going with Emby when\if I switch just because it’s more native and polished and I don’t have a problem paying for a lifetime pass. I like the idea of open source projects and support many of them - and glad Jellyfin is there as competition - but I’m also a bit tired of fiddling and tweaking after having done it for a long time already. Emby is just further ahead because they have more resources available to them. Plus, if Emby do end up going the enshittification route switching from Emby to Jellyfin will be MUCH easier than switching from Plex.

Oh, and both Emby and Jellyfin forums are pretty good. They are very responsive. Feels like “old Plex” again there as well. I don’t really blame the plex reps\employees here for that change (I think I understand what’s happened on their end, mostly) but I can blame Plex as a whole for it - and do. A tip though - don’t mix and match between them. The two teams don’t really get along and they make it clear they are separate projects (Jellyfin is a bit more touchy about it than Emby).

Lastly, I just remembered that Plex does updates faster than Emby or Jellyfin do. In some ways that’s good and in some ways that’s bad so not really a plus or minus but something to consider.

Edit: I forgot to mention something. Plex is possibly going the route of enshittification. All companies try to make profit and some aspects of Plex’s direction kinda makes sense as a business wanting to stay afloat but many more aspects certainly feel like they’re leveraging their legacy of user\community good will for profits rather than living up to it or honoring it as a fair exchange. That aspect has me more inclined to switch than any of the technical or functional aspects.

Edit2: This is the Jellyfin QNAP build I’ve used: GitHub - pdulvp/jellyfin-qnap: Jellyfin server packaging for QNAP NAS ;; you can add their “store” to QNAP for automatic updates too. :slight_smile:

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Sorry… game controller speak. :slight_smile:

d-pad is the cross with the up/down/left/right arrows and the OK in the middle. It’s very easy to get muscle memory set to never leave that control because you can essentially do everything from it, but the play\back\ff\rw buttons can do things the d-pad doesn’t. Back button - the arrow pointing backwards at the top of the remote - for example will jump you around and skip some clicks it would take to do with the d-pad alone.

Same here. It looks great.

Excellent & helpful post!

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i run Jellyfin along side of Plex since they first introduced this new $h1t UI on apple devices in the prev months.

only downside to Jellyfin is the client support isn’t as wide but it’s getting better (heck, i have a jellyfin client for my.. Playstation VITA!!!), setup for users can be a bit harder and setting up remote access requires a lot more work on the hosts side. I may go that route if we don’t see any reverting of client UI. my big problem with JF is again my users who aren’t as techie getting it setup.

so hopefully plex listens and reverts.. but i’m prepping just in case i have to fully switch over.

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I installed Jellyfin months ago and started to customize the libraries, but with 1500+ titles along with many series, it’s a time consuming task. What I like about Jellyfin is it’s more customizable, and it runs fine if the ISP is down. The main reason I haven’t put the time in to fully switch over to using it, is that I can’t find a way to configure the audio output properly. The sound quality is just not as high a quality as it should be. There doesn’t seem to be any reason for this, it just has a much lower volume and quality.

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Thanks again for a delightfully prolix response. It answers many of my questions for my use case. Most of my concern switching is to minimize the tech trauma for my handful of family/friends who access my OAT, movie and music. The ham-handed paradigm shift represented by the ROKU rollout has hit them hard as that is our common platform. :crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers: that Plex will relent and follow Jellyfin’s lead by posting the legacy UI in the ROKU store if the howling and subscription drain continues.

Base on your input, I’m leaning towards Jellyfin as my ultimate destination, but will definitely give Emby a look-in. The trigger-point for me is the remote access support. It is a measure of my dilatory vigilance that I was unaware that Plex actually no longer supports that feature! I has simply allowed the Plex Pass/Account handshake when they brought it forward awhile back thinking that the offline access was still available with extra tweaking and that I’d “get around to that sometime soon.” :flushed_face: Emby’s subscription model and handshake sounds like the data-mining camel has it’s nose in their tent as well. Privacy has moved to the top of my online concerns in the current political climate. Nufsaid.

Valuable insight too on the level of rivalry between the two platforms: sad but understandable.

Thanks again for your lights. I’ll try post back here with my own results as things evolve. Much appreciated.

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