Discover Together is NOT "Opt In"

Why is it so dead quiet from any Plex employee, or are they already posting under different account in favour of “tHiS iS an oPt-In fUnCtion”?

This function is clearly a breach of GDPR. They need to state how they are processing ANY user information they gather, OR they have to first anonymous it. Unless that is done GDPR is in an effect.

I and many more are expecting a clear statement from Plex in the matter of what information is gathered, what information is procced and where the OPT-IN option is located.

Otherwise this will be the most easy GDPR lawsuit in history with the maximum plenty.

@plex, here is a nice checklist for you to look through.

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@anon5074910

If you have invited someone to your server, or they invited you, I think the cat is out of the bag you are a Plex user. :wink:

If you have all the activity sharing turned off what does that leave for them to learn that they don’t already know? My Watchlist titles are appearing on mine, but the section is actually marked as being private so I assume it would not appear if a friend was viewing my profile.

Of course, that’s not the point at all.

As I’ve said, account is one thing, auto enrollment and population of who plex consider friends in a social media plex profile is entirely something else.

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Do the people you are connected with on Plex actually appear on your profile as a group of “friends” that other people can view? (asking because I do not share my server with anyone else, I only have managed users on my server besides me)

If the answer is “no” – who cares?

That’s like “friending” someone on Facebook and then complaining when Facebook is considering them your “friend” when you’re really not that close to them. It’s funny how people are against this whole activity-sharing thing because “Plex is not a social networking site for me” then they want to be upset about what Plex thinks of their relationship with people they share their server with. If Plex gets the wrong idea about who your friends are on a social media profile you don’t even want, why does it matter? It’s just between you and Plex at that point. They can’t see each other and judge you for who else you are sharing your server with (who being a name and a wacky avatar and no info about the human behind it to begin with).

Discover Together is Opt In

If someone closes the app without saving their choices they’ll see the screen the next time they open the app until they complete the step.

The forced “Continue > Continue > Continue > Finish” procedure defaults to change various settings from Private – for you – without explicit user-chosen consent. This is the very definition of opt-out, i.e. the user has to actively opt-out of these changes.

I also notice your cookie banner choices is similarly opt-out, which isn’t adequate; as informed and active opt-in consent is necessary here. The one-click Accept/Reject buttons are adequate. Plus, in the cookie banner:
A) You’re not declaring the cookies nor their purpose, which is also required.
B) The ‘Manage cookies’ link in the footer doesn’t seem to show up on all pages (most notably the start page), which is must to meet the ‘as easy to withdraw as to give consent’ compliance.

Furthermore you also state that tracking pixels are put into emails, which simply isn’t legal anymore when targeting EU citizens. Perhaps not even for anyone these days.

Your legal department sure got some work to do in order to meet adequate regulatory compliance, or perhaps they’re working really hard – just not being heard. It’s time to get the teams working together.

Plex, you’re not a small company any longer. While you’re not working with typical sensitive data, e.g. banking or health care, you sit on a lot of very personal and highly detailed data about your users. Please, act accordingly.

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My Aunts, Uncles and various other family members who access my server for mostly family videos and pictures showed up as friends as did their watch lists and other media watched not on my server.

I wasn’t even aware of Profile until today.

I’ve kept all as server users but removed their Friend status.

I’m also in the process of walking some of them through the convoluted steps of setting security settings that reduce their exposure.

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It matters because it appears Plex will send a weekly “week in review” email to each of these friends, and if you kept the default settings, that email can include “your” watch activity (which really might be anyone in your household on your profile). Even someone like me who is not watching anything controversial still does want my work colleagues getting an email saying “I” spent the week watching 40 hours worth of Married at First Sight. Or to use one of the webs favorite examples, you probably don’t want your Mom emailed about the porn movie you rated 10/10. And you definitely don’t want this to go on for weeks with you not even knowing its happening, because you’re not copied on the emails and the recipients may be too embarrassed to say anything to you.

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We’re already operating in a situation where those settings are off. You missed the beginning of the conversation. Dokuro said he can make all the sharing “private” but the profile itself has no private setting for visibility. The best you can do is make it “friends only”. I pointed out that if you have all the sharing on Private there’s not really anything to display on the profile then. I have yet to hear what info remaining on the profile he is concerned about being seen after he hides all the sharing stuff. Instead he’s worried about what a faceless corporation thinks of his friends now.

Oh, I see. I’ve removed all my friends and stopped my Plex server, so I don’t have an easy way to see what is currently shown in that case. It would interesting for someone to post a screenshot of it.

Of course, the larger problem here is that the privacy trust relationship is now broken. Even if the answer is there is no current problem this week, you have to ask yourself what might the Plex team do next.

I may be so bold, if you’re that worried you need to just delete your Plex account now and change to Jellyfin. I don’t know how some of you rationalize continuing to use a media server that literally requires you to sign in with a third-party to operate properly if you’re that paranoid.

The fact you may have started your server long ago before a Plex account was needed doesn’t matter. I was here then, too. That was like eight years ago that changed. We’re past the point of “it happened so recently and I haven’t had a chance to act!”. If you’re still here now you’re doing it willingly.

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Yep, Jellyfin is up and running and as I said Plex is stopped (see first paragraph.) I’m considering throwing away the account with lifetime Plex Pass too, although that doesn’t sit right with me that I have to surrender my license because of their bad behavior with no compensation to me.

Edit: and to be fair to Plex in years past, they had a long track record of not acting inappropriately with my data, and written privacy policies that said the right things. I acted with 24 hours of learning of Plex’s new ways.

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I don’t and never will use facebook or ANY social media platform so it’s not relevant.

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One example which comes to mind would be if I was naive enough to include my Full Name within my account settings this would appear within my profile. These so called friends, who are only friends because plex decided as I shared something with them to make them my plex social friends, would then have my full name.

Regardless, if I’m control as is indicated in the stupid dialog then I should be able to set this to private.

Plex was payed to have these features added by their undisclosed “partners”. It was also mentioned that this had a deadline of release and if you don’t remember, there was an uproar about how quick this went from “BETA” to Public release back in the 1st quarter of this year. UNRATED content with very adult porn-like film covers and titles were being added and curated when the switch went Public.

As I advocated and said before, this new public re-launch and marketing promotion of DISCOVERY this November PROVES that DISCOVERY and its features COULD HAVE very much continued to REMAINED in BETA for much longer so all the unnecessary aggravation of kinks and bugs could have been ironed out. This was a feature that I said last year that could have waited until 2024 but I digress. The execution and all the mess that’s been caused is all on the executives who strategically F with our setups.

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Literally EVERY freakin platform has this account name and profile alias name figured out. Alias’s exist on gaming platforms, separate from billing information. How the hell does Plex and their team not know how to implement a profile system correctly when they literally should be copying and pasting standard UX and account management settings. It’s absolutely infuriating how much hand holding that’s needed.

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Are you saying that you share your server with people who don’t know you?

Of course not. That’s not the point.

I’m lost then. What would be the issue with your full name being in the profile when you already know the people you’re sharing the server with?

Yes, because of this change and how this is being presented then information between accounts - “friends” - is being shared unintentionally and unexpectedly because of this change with how account functions and features used to work for almost the entire existence of Plex.

Not really speaking at you directly here, but lots of admins don’t share content and might have the same question and might not be familiar with how significant of a change this is for those who do share content. Since you’ve stated you don’t have any sharing functions enabled and haven’t used them and aren’t familiar with them, then these changes don’t really impact you or others who don’t share their library with anybody; other than some GUI elements they might see and not use.

In the past several years, server admins could share media content with others (managed users, inviting other Plex accounts, etc). All that did was allow that individual to access the admin’s media - how Plex as a client app acted for them was pretty much up to the user. Sharing a library as an admin to someone else meant that’s all it did - they could access the content.

Only the server admin could see or know anything about the people accessing their content. User accounts couldn’t see each others activity and couldn’t see the admin’s activity or even know there was anybody else accessing the server(s) content. Every user was siloed from each other.

Server admins had control over that access both in content (using labels or separate libraries or other controls) and technical functions (like bandwidth limiting and transcoding triggers) and as such there was some trust between a user and an admin in that regard but there was an invite process that came up between the user and the admin that was pretty clear and personal.

Now though, the account access controls for a server\client management are also a social network function managed by Plex the company. A change that people reading the options presented about it are likely to misunderstand the impacts of their choices - as far as they know they don’t have any “friends”… they’ve never “friended” anybody, including the admin.

These new options make it possible for users connected to a server - or multiple servers - who never knew anything about each other to see and access history and watch lists of not just that server content but if they linked their Netflix, Prime or HBO Max to their account using other Discover features that would show up as well too. Since all accounts were added as “friends” of the server admin(s) then every account on the server is technically also a “friend of a friend” as well which could make that sharing even more expansive than expected.

These settings for the new social network profile - which are separate from your account settings - are in the Plex web settings options, not the client app options (and not the local web options from the server either). So many people who aren’t server admins themselves never access Plex via web. They only use the client apps since you can setup and get going with Plex all from the app. So these privacy settings being presented and configured for a new data sharing function via the client app can’t be managed via the client. That’s disingenuous for various reasons; Plex could have updated the apps to align with these changes.

Additionally, this change around Plex accounts from simply “account access for content” to “content use and sharing as a social network” is a very significant change for the platform as a whole. The direction of Plex as a company is definitely transitioning from a media center solution to “entertainment concierge” as their front page now states. The local media stuff is way down that list now but was the foundation and core function of Plex for many years (and before that the original software that was forked to become “Plex” - Plex didn’t build itself from scratch).

These Discover features are part of that change and isn’t necessarily a bad thing - I can see how they’d be useful for people - but how it’s being handled is coming into conflict with that core functionality and history and personally I think it’s being unnecessarily mishandled and it feels intentional and disrespectful to the community and customers that Plex relied on to get to where it is today.

Many might not realize Plex was founded on a community software project long ago - in the before times - and really Plex as a company exists because the users helped support it in various ways. A good example is the fact there’s no tech support for Plex even as a paid product, just these forums that unpaid users do most of the tech support and management of the space for each other. If you have a problem, hopefully someone answers your post otherwise you’re outta luck - and honestly most of the time you’ll get an answer from someone that’ll help but it’s not usually a paid Plex employee (not to put down the Plex employees that do engage and help - there are some very good folks). There was a culture of community cooperation and appreciation and that helped garner good faith between us as users\customers and Plex as a company.

Recently, more and more changes are coming without that participation or acknowledgement. In the past, opt-out\opt-in mistakes like this happened before and actually got backtracked after threads like this one. GUI\UI changes that drew criticism got attention - even if not changed, at least some acknowledgement. That seems to be gone now - look at this and other threads about this change or switching from unwatched to watched flags for movies. Unfortunately it’s a common problem with projects that start with grassroots and then turn into ‘profit machines’ for investors. That’s my perspective anyways.

So I don’t really mind the company finding ways to make money and develop further and I can see where Plex as a “concierge” fits current media consumption environment (and wouldn’t mind if they can help create more competition with the STB OS market) and those of us who don’t want to use these new features can turn them off … I think customers like me who were\are part of that earlier “core” that helped build the foundation Plex is now using to jump into new “profit” areas would like a bit more consideration in how Plex is handling things.

Most of the criticism isn’t “don’t do it” … it’s “do it better”.

“Opt-In” as a clear process is what customers - and laws in some cases - expect … the way Plex is implementing Discover features is not really following that very well and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the customers to complain about it. How a company addresses complaints says a lot about it … and Plex messaging and actions currently don’t seem to be responding in the ways it used to … the ways that previously earned some good faith. It’s disheartening and disappointing.

There isn’t going to be a backtrack on this from Plex… it was released already and companies don’t “apologize” anymore because that will impact their relationship with their investors. Plex is run by the investors now so hopefully they’ll learn that handling these things better will keep more users active and supporting them going forward both financially and culturally. Otherwise all those posts that tell people “use Plex” will continue to change to “use Jellyfin” or other platforms.

At least, that’s my two cents after having a few disappointing things happen with Plex the last couple months.

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It’s very simple! This issue is it cannot be set to private or even better deleted.

Bigger issue is the creation of the profile in the first place.

I’m kinda done with this so won’t be adding more, folks know my opinion so won’t be hammering the point home more than I have already. Good luck!

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