DVR/Live TV Failures While on VPN

I am purposely asking this in a general way because frankly I don’t know where to start with this.

I generally run a VPN at home because…well it’s the internet, duh. When it’s running SOMETIMES my DVR recordings fail. Usually it is recordings of local programming like local news. My prime time recordings seem to usually still work even though they are on the same stations.

I am currently using two HDHomeRun tuners. One is a Prime with a CableCard and the other is a Connect. They both work directly when I test them and they find channels in Plex etc. I have no idea which tuner is being utilized for these recordings as they take place when I’m not physically there to look at the tuners. When they fail I’m not sure anything would be known anyway since they fail. Oddly, when this happens the shows that fail disappear from the recording schedule after the ending time.

If I shut the VPN off they generally record. Why would this matter?

Are there logs that will help here?

Thanks!

I would say your VPN is definitely causing the issue. When Plex Media Server tries to start a recording it is sending a web request something like http://10.0.1.22:5004/auto/v25.4, which your VPN sends out on the Internet to whatever location your VPN is connected to and is then unable to route the request back to your local network because the Private IP address for your HDHR device is not a valid public IP address. I would suggest looking for any settings in your VPN that would allow you to configure the VPN to not route local network traffic through the VPN.

@johnm_ColaSC said:
I would say your VPN is definitely causing the issue. When Plex Media Server tries to start a recording it is sending a web request something like http://10.0.1.22:5004/auto/v25.4, which your VPN sends out on the Internet to whatever location your VPN is connected to and is then unable to route the request back to your local network because the Private IP address for your HDHR device is not a valid public IP address. I would suggest looking for any settings in your VPN that would allow you to configure the VPN to not route local network traffic through the VPN.

I would normally agree with this. However, from my server PC, I can easily get to any IP on my private network whether the device is on Wi-Fi or plugged in. I have a mix of both. I use PIA and it seems to allow for that. I just tried it again and I can readily open the web page for the IP that either of my tuners is on. The tuners are not firewalled, only the server…but since I can get to the IP without issue I’m not sure how that can cause it. I acknowledge that I am not an expert in Plex architecture.

Also, it doesn’t ALWAYS fail. It almost always fails, but only seemingly on certain shows. The only one I am consistently noticing is local news in the mornings. Programs in the evening on the SAME CHANNEL don’t fail.

Now…what I can’t determine is which of my two tuners is being accessed when this happens. It is possible that the failures are related to which tuner it is accessing, but still doesn’t make sense since I can get to either fine via IP even with the VPN active. The problem seems to coincide with VPN usage, but I’m not sure it’s caused by it.

Maybe unrelated, but between this and the inability to do things like set tuner priority, live TV failure in Plex from machines that can watch live TV just fine via the SiliconDust TV app and other such things, perhaps the Plex/HDHomeRun software interface isn’t quite fully cooked yet.

In the meantime I would be happy to be able to resolve at least THIS issue. What else can I test or look at?

The Plex Media Server log file will tell you which tuner device was requested when a recording starts. You will see a line something like Final URL: http://10.0.1.22:5004/auto/v25.4. Plex does not determine which tuner is used by the HDHR device, just which device it will attempt to use. If recordings are failing you would also see that in the same log file. If you are using other applications outside of Plex to watch Live TV or for recordings It is quite possible that Plex is being denied access to a tuner on the device it thinks is available. Plex assumes it has exclusive access to all tuners on all devices. If it has predetermined that it will use device 0 for a recording and makes a request to that device but all tuners on the device are being used by other applications the device will send a 500 rejection error back to Plex and the recording will be aborted. Plex will not attempt to use device 1 if device 0 rejected the connection request.

@johnm_ColaSC said:
The Plex Media Server log file will tell you which tuner device was requested when a recording starts. You will see a line something like Final URL: http://10.0.1.22:5004/auto/v25.4.

I looked at the server logs (files: Plex Media Server.log & Plex Media Server.1.log) and although I could find many references to “5004” nothing with this complete syntax even using my tuner IP addresses. However, the last recording that failed was from 5-6AM today and the oldest record in this log goes back to 8:53AM so it’s possible that was already truncated by the time I downloaded the logs.

Would it be useful for me to attach my existing logs here or if the log doesn’t go back that far is it pointless?

@johnm_ColaSC said:
Plex does not determine which tuner is used by the HDHR device, just which device it will attempt to use. If recordings are failing you would also see that in the same log file. If you are using other applications outside of Plex to watch Live TV or for recordings It is quite possible that Plex is being denied access to a tuner on the device it thinks is available. Plex assumes it has exclusive access to all tuners on all devices. If it has predetermined that it will use device 0 for a recording and makes a request to that device but all tuners on the device are being used by other applications the device will send a 500 rejection error back to Plex and the recording will be aborted. Plex will not attempt to use device 1 if device 0 rejected the connection request.

I spoke sloppy. When I said that I couldn’t tell which tuner it would or was using, I meant the physical device, not which internal tuner it used. In other words was it trying to use the Connect or the Prime? I don’t know. How does it determine which it SHOULD use and is there a way to optionally set the priority for this for a recording?

Plex is the only app that uses these tuners at all. The only time I crank up the HDHomeRun app is to test something when Plex fails, to make sure the tuners themselves are right. Plex fails on both DVR (sometimes) and Live TV other times even when the HomeRun app can use the tuners just fine. I know it’s “beta” and since I still have my TV provider DVR and RARELY use it for live TV except to play around with occasionally, it hasn’t been a major sticking point, but whatever performance I can get out of this, I want to get asap. I want to cut the cord sooner than later and this needs to work for that to happen so I can at least get my OTA stuff recorded reliably.

I have been suffering from “analysis paralysis” for at least a year trying to make sure everything is “perfect” and my son’s college fun is going to Frontier in the process…

Thanks!

Would need to see logs from the time period of a failed recording to see if anything is in the logs to indicate why it failed.

I have 5 tuners between my Prime and my Connect. So, I manually created a few recordings to see what would happen.

I did this earlier and one of them recorded (high cable channel) and the other (local news) failed. I have attached the server log file that cover the time frame that I did this in, but I can’t identify what is related to this failure.

So I just manually created 4 recordings. 2 are cable-only stations and two are local so the Connect is capable of getting them.

All 4 are recording currently. The Prime got fully used (all 3 tuners) before the Connect got used, but I confirmed that tuner 1 of the Connect is lit.

FTR, the VPN is STILL on the server right now. Nothing else has changed except that the EPG is repopulating right now and actually that hasn’t changed either. It was ALSO repopulating this morning when that failed recording should have taken place.

(which is another annoying thing that I asked about in another thread (https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/300353/change-guide-refresh-time) but even though I did the schedule change suggested it still seems to always be running in the morning AFTER the designated 4AM completion time)

…is it possible the channel that was expecting to record hadn’t yet been loaded in the guide, causing failure somehow?)

Attached are logs from a recording that failed this morning that hopefully capture the issue.

The stuff that recorded later in the day worked fine. It’s always in the morning. Same VPN and same everything else. I do think it’s tuner related somehow, but I can’t tell how.

Looks like your Prime is being used for the recording:
146903 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.993 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Starting operation for ‘Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11’.
146904 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.995 [16736] DEBUG - Activity: registered new activity 75607a39-81be-4d8b-95d1-21dc6c69efb6 - Recording
146905 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.996 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: HDHomerun starting a media grab on device device://tv.plex.grabbers.hdhomerun/13115CBF (Silicondust HDHomeRun PRIME, supported) tuner 0.
146907 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.006 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Saving recording to H:\Media\Recorded TV.grab\4e460b99382050d2efab52ded9ccd05d726d3e4a
146916 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.654 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Going to record for 3599 seconds, final URL is http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504
146917 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Setting timer to stop grab of ‘Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11’ in 3599 seconds.
146918 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Waiting for a tuner (3 available).
146919 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Allocated a tuner (2 left)
146920 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
146921 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Freed a tuner (now 3 available)
146922 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
146923 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Operation for Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11 completed with status error (The recording was aborted)
146924 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.658 [16736] DEBUG - Activity: Ended activity 75607a39-81be-4d8b-95d1-21dc6c69efb6.
146925 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.659 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Grabber: Starting media grab failed.

Wondering if you are receiving a signal on the channel Plex is requesting the Prime stream. If you use VLC and start a network stream using the URL: http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 are you able to view the channel?

@johnm_ColaSC said:
Looks like your Prime is being used for the recording:
146903 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.993 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Starting operation for ‘Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11’.
146904 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.995 [16736] DEBUG - Activity: registered new activity 75607a39-81be-4d8b-95d1-21dc6c69efb6 - Recording
146905 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:00.996 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: HDHomerun starting a media grab on device device://tv.plex.grabbers.hdhomerun/13115CBF (Silicondust HDHomeRun PRIME, supported) tuner 0.
146907 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.006 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Saving recording to H:\Media\Recorded TV.grab\4e460b99382050d2efab52ded9ccd05d726d3e4a
146916 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.654 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Going to record for 3599 seconds, final URL is http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504
146917 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Setting timer to stop grab of ‘Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11’ in 3599 seconds.
146918 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Waiting for a tuner (3 available).
146919 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.656 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Allocated a tuner (2 left)
146920 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
146921 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Freed a tuner (now 3 available)
146922 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
146923 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.657 [16736] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Operation for Good Day at 6AM - Episode 01-11 completed with status error (The recording was aborted)
146924 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.658 [16736] DEBUG - Activity: Ended activity 75607a39-81be-4d8b-95d1-21dc6c69efb6.
146925 Jan 11, 2018 06:00:01.659 [16736] ERROR - DVR:Grabber: Starting media grab failed.

Wondering if you are receiving a signal on the channel Plex is requesting the Prime stream. If you use VLC and start a network stream using the URL: http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 are you able to view the channel?

Yes. That URL points to my Prime.

http://192.168.1.16 is my Connect. When I changed the URL manually it does not work.

If I run HDHomerunSetup or HDHomeRunView on THIS laptop (not my server) and try to play the Connect directly it works fine despite it not working in VLC. I don’t know if it’s looking for a different port or what.

Still experimenting…

@johnm_ColaSC :

More experimenting.

I access my tuners from multiple systems. I configured it from the klaptop I’m typing this on.

I went to my server and checked the HDHomeRun config software from there. It needed an update which I ran then looked at the tuner config. The OTA channel listings were empty. I did a channel scan from THAT server. Went fine. Saw the appropriate stations. Could play the stations fine from within the HDHomeRun Setup app.

I can play this URL in VLC: http://192.168.1.16:5004/auto/v4.1

Crossed my fingers hoping that schedule from this morning would record fine since it’s the same station in that URL.

Woke up to a failed recording.

Tried a manual recording this morning on an OTA channel and it’s working fine. However, when I physically look at the tuners it’s recording on the Prime.

Ugh…

Plex only supports a single program guide configured for either Cable or OTA. Having an OTA and a Cable device configured in the same DVR is not a supported configuration.

You did not list the show you were trying to record that failed but I see the following entries in the log you submitted:
165155 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.293 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Going to record for 632 seconds, final URL is http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504
165156 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.294 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Setting timer to stop grab of ‘Good Day at 7AM - Episode 01-12’ in 632 seconds.
165157 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.294 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Waiting for a tuner (3 available).
165158 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Allocated a tuner (2 left)
165159 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
165160 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Freed a tuner (now 3 available)
165161 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
165162 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Operation for Good Day at 7AM - Episode 01-12 completed with status error (The recording was aborted)

I am guessing that http://192.168.1.16:5004/auto/v4.1 on your Connect that you said works is the same channel as http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 on your Prime. Since your Prime is probably the first device configured in Plex it will always use that device first to record a program that is on that channel. I am not sure why the recording is being aborted. It almost seems like there is no video stream coming from the device.

@johnm_ColaSC said:
Plex only supports a single program guide configured for either Cable or OTA. Having an OTA and a Cable device configured in the same DVR is not a supported configuration.

WHAT??? I just looked and the DVR FAQ page says:

'Can I add more than one DVR tuner?
Multiple tuners can be added from within the Plex Web app, provided you are using version 2.10.5 or newer. Tuners should be of the same type; all OTA or all cable, on the same Plex Media Server"

This entire time I have had both on the same DVR. Is this something they are planning on supporting eventually since there is nothing stopping you from doing it?

I can’t find the thread offhand, but there have been people in here that have use both types on the same DVR and gotten it to work. There may have been a little bit of magic going on there, but when I originally set this up I don’t recall seeing anything about not being able to mix tuners. Nothing here about it:

https://support.plex.tv/articles/225877347-live-tv-dvr/

So to use both tuners I have to have two entirely separate Plex servers? Ugh…

You did not list the show you were trying to record that failed but I see the following entries in the log you submitted:
165155 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.293 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Going to record for 632 seconds, final URL is http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504
165156 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.294 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Setting timer to stop grab of ‘Good Day at 7AM - Episode 01-12’ in 632 seconds.
165157 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.294 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Waiting for a tuner (3 available).
165158 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Allocated a tuner (2 left)
165159 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
165160 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Freed a tuner (now 3 available)
165161 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] ERROR - DVR:Recorder: Error 3 (The recording was aborted) starting the record, shutting things down.
165162 Jan 12, 2018 08:49:28.295 [6544] DEBUG - DVR:Grabber: Operation for Good Day at 7AM - Episode 01-12 completed with status error (The recording was aborted)

I am guessing that http://192.168.1.16:5004/auto/v4.1 on your Connect that you said works is the same channel as http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 on your Prime. Since your Prime is probably the first device configured in Plex it will always use that device first to record a program that is on that channel. I am not sure why the recording is being aborted. It almost seems like there is no video stream coming from the device.

What I was recording was just a local broadcast of some sort. I don’t recall what but it was something that was available OTA.

You are correct about the channels. http://192.168.1.16:5004/auto/v4.1 on the Connect is the same station as http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 on the Prime. 504 is the station as it’s expressed via FiOS.

What options do I have to use both tuners? I am going to cut the cord soon, making the Prime defunct, but until then I have a lot of “cable only” that I still want to record.

@KaraokeAmerica said:
WHAT??? I just looked and the DVR FAQ page says:

'Can I add more than one DVR tuner?
Multiple tuners can be added from within the Plex Web app, provided you are using version 2.10.5 or newer. Tuners should be of the same type; all OTA or all cable, on the same Plex Media Server"

As stated in the text you copied above they should be of the same type. You have 2 different types of tuners.

This entire time I have had both on the same DVR. Is this something they are planning on supporting eventually since there is nothing stopping you from doing it?

I have not heard anything about supporting different guides for different tuner types in the same DVR.

I can’t find the thread offhand, but there have been people in here that have use both types on the same DVR and gotten it to work. There may have been a little bit of magic going on there, but when I originally set this up I don’t recall seeing anything about not being able to mix tuners. Nothing here about it:

I also have both a Prime and Connect devices. Actually have 2 Connects, an Extend, and a Dual in addition to the Prime. I only have my DVR configured as OTA because the only channels I receive with my Prime are local channels. These channels seen by the Prime are actually the exact same channel numbers seen on the Connect.
So local channel 10.1 on the OTA devices is also 10.1 on the Prime.

So to use both tuners I have to have two entirely separate Plex servers? Ugh…

Yes, to have both an OTA and Cable guide you would need two servers. Otherwise you can run into issues recording shows.

What options do I have to use both tuners? I am going to cut the cord soon, making the Prime defunct, but until then I have a lot of “cable only” that I still want to record.

Temporarily you could setup a second DVR on your laptop you mentioned to record the local shows using the Connect, or reverse it and use your computer setting it up as OTA and your laptop as cable. You can always move the recordings from your laptop to your primary Plex server so you only have the one Plex system for viewing content. If you use your current computer as your OTA DVR then when you cut the cord you will have less work to do, just delete the Plex configuration for Cable DVR on your laptop.

Were you able to play the URL http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 using VLC? Not sure why the show on channel 504 aborts there is nothing in the log to indicate a reason other than Error 3.

@johnm_ColaSC said:

@KaraokeAmerica said:
WHAT??? I just looked and the DVR FAQ page says:

'Can I add more than one DVR tuner?
Multiple tuners can be added from within the Plex Web app, provided you are using version 2.10.5 or newer. Tuners should be of the same type; all OTA or all cable, on the same Plex Media Server"

As stated in the text you copied above they should be of the same type. You have 2 different types of tuners.

OK…it is noted in the FAQ, but when I set it up I followed the procedure I linked to. I would say that the FAQ is for folks who have NOT yet bought in. Since I already had the tuners (I had a Prime and a Dual already) and was a PlexPass subscriber I went for the marrow: how do you set it up. IN that procedure there is nothing about not being able to mix tuners.

Of course this begs the question: can you even run MULTIPLE tuners if they are the same type? I have a Prime, a Dual and a Connect. Once I cut the cord the Prime and Dual are useless. Can I just buy a second Connect and add it to the DVR? I didn’t see anything about multiple in the procedure either. It allows you to add more than one, so will that work if they are the same TYPE, ie: both OTA?

How about multiple types of OTA tuners? If I bought an Extend would it work with my Connect on the same DVR? I was actually looking at that Connect Quatro as well. Can I add that to my existing DVR WITH my Connect?

Frankly, I think these limitations could be better or more obviously documented, particularly WITHIN the procedure guide.

I also have both a Prime and Connect devices. Actually have 2 Connects, an Extend, and a Dual in addition to the Prime. I only have my DVR configured as OTA because the only channels I receive with my Prime are local channels. These channels seen by the Prime are actually the exact same channel numbers seen on the Connect.
So local channel 10.1 on the OTA devices is also 10.1 on the Prime.

So to use both tuners I have to have two entirely separate Plex servers? Ugh…

Yes, to have both an OTA and Cable guide you would need two servers. Otherwise you can run into issues recording shows.

This is confusing to me. Since when you set up the DVR you tell it your location and the Connect scans OTA I guess I was expecting that Plex DVR knew how to interpret these different denotations.

What options do I have to use both tuners? I am going to cut the cord soon, making the Prime defunct, but until then I have a lot of “cable only” that I still want to record.

Temporarily you could setup a second DVR on your laptop you mentioned to record the local shows using the Connect, or reverse it and use your computer setting it up as OTA and your laptop as cable. You can always move the recordings from your laptop to your primary Plex server so you only have the one Plex system for viewing content. If you use your current computer as your OTA DVR then when you cut the cord you will have less work to do, just delete the Plex configuration for Cable DVR on your laptop.

If I run two servers on my network can I use the same account? DVR is a PlexPass feature.

I may do this as you suggest with the Prime on my laptop so when I do cut the cord I just delete that server and be done with it.

Is there any reason I couldn’t use the network location on my primary server as the location of my recordings from this second server? In other words when you tell it where your recorded TV goes, it’s across my network. That way the primary server would process it the same as it does now.

Were you able to play the URL http://192.168.1.19:5004/auto/v504 using VLC? Not sure why the show on channel 504 aborts there is nothing in the log to indicate a reason other than Error 3.

Mystery of life…

Thanks for the help with this!

@KaraokeAmerica said:
Of course this begs the question: can you even run MULTIPLE tuners if they are the same type?

I have 2 Connects both connect to my primary server that both work. So yes you can have multiple of the same type connected to your DVR.

Once I cut the cord the Prime and Dual are useless.

Why would your Dual be useless? I have mine connected to my Antenna and can use it for recording my OTA channels.

Can I just buy a second Connect and add it to the DVR? I didn’t see anything about multiple in the procedure either. It allows you to add more than one, so will that work if they are the same TYPE, ie: both OTA?

Yes you could buy another Connect, or use your Dual.

How about multiple types of OTA tuners? If I bought an Extend would it work with my Connect on the same DVR? I was actually looking at that Connect Quatro as well. Can I add that to my existing DVR WITH my Connect?

I have 2 Connects, a Dual, and an Extend all connected to my Antenna. I also have a Prime connected to the incoming cable that also receives the same local channels on the same channel numbers as my OTA tuners, just from the cable instead of my Antenna.

Frankly, I think these limitations could be better or more obviously documented, particularly WITHIN the procedure guide.

This is confusing to me. Since when you set up the DVR you tell it your location and the Connect scans OTA I guess I was expecting that Plex DVR knew how to interpret these different denotations.

Plex uses your location and the connection type to pull the appropriate channels for the connection and guide data based on the selections. For example, my local NBC is on 10.1 OTA and channel 3 for those with a cable box but is also on 10.1 for those without the box. If I choose cable then I would get the channel of 3 and my guide data would expect the recording to then be on channel 3, not 10.1.

If I run two servers on my network can I use the same account? DVR is a PlexPass feature.

Yes, you can use the same account. I currently have PMS on my Windows 10 Desktop, Windows 10 Laptop, Macbook Pro, Nvidia Shield, and an Ubuntu Virtual Machine. All running under the same account.

Is there any reason I couldn’t use the network location on my primary server as the location of my recordings from this second server? In other words when you tell it where your recorded TV goes, it’s across my network. That way the primary server would process it the same as it does now.

I would suggest using your laptop as a temporary storage location then at some point move the recordings to your primary desktop. I suggest this to not introduce issues with trying to record across the network to your desktop computer. Write the file once after the recording is complete instead of during the recording.

I use a one line script to move files from one storage location to another within my computer. I record to an old SSD and then move recordings when done to a HDD for permanent storage. My script is setup to run every 5 minutes so that shortly after recordings finish they are moved. My post processing can take anywhere from 3 - 13 minutes to run based on resolution and length of recording. I’m running on Windows and the one line looks like:

robocopy /MOVE /S “G:\TV_DVR” “F:\Recorded TV” /XD “G:\TV_DVR.grab”

This moves directories from G:\TV_DVR to F:\Recorded TV ignoring empty directories and excluding the G:\TV_DR.grab folder to not cause any recordings that are currently running to have issues.

@johnm_ColaSC said:

@KaraokeAmerica said:
Of course this begs the question: can you even run MULTIPLE tuners if they are the same type?

I have 2 Connects both connect to my primary server that both work. So yes you can have multiple of the same type connected to your DVR.

Thanks for all the help with this!

Once I cut the cord the Prime and Dual are useless.

Why would your Dual be useless? I have mine connected to my Antenna and can use it for recording my OTA channels.

Crap…you’re right. It’s just a digital tuner. When I bought it I was using it to get ATSC broadcast over my cable. In my mind it was a cable tuner…I think I will try this now…:wink:

How about multiple types of OTA tuners? If I bought an Extend would it work with my Connect on the same DVR? I was actually looking at that Connect Quatro as well. Can I add that to my existing DVR WITH my Connect?

I have 2 Connects, a Dual, and an Extend all connected to my Antenna. I also have a Prime connected to the incoming cable that also receives the same local channels on the same channel numbers as my OTA tuners, just from the cable instead of my Antenna.

They are connected to the same antenna, but the same Plex server DVR as well? I take it from your response, it’s a “yes” but I want to make sure I am clear. If you look in your DVR config you have 4, physical (8 virtual) OTA tuners in a single DVR setup in Plex?

This is confusing to me. Since when you set up the DVR you tell it your location and the Connect scans OTA I guess I was expecting that Plex DVR knew how to interpret these different denotations.

Plex uses your location and the connection type to pull the appropriate channels for the connection and guide data based on the selections. For example, my local NBC is on 10.1 OTA and channel 3 for those with a cable box but is also on 10.1 for those without the box. If I choose cable then I would get the channel of 3 and my guide data would expect the recording to then be on channel 3, not 10.1.

See, I know it comes up as different channels, but I thought that Plex sorted this out and kept track internally. In other words if all 3 Prime tuners were in use and I need a 4th it would know where to go on the Connect since they were both on the same DVR.

Apparently not…

Is there any reason I couldn’t use the network location on my primary server as the location of my recordings from this second server? In other words when you tell it where your recorded TV goes, it’s across my network. That way the primary server would process it the same as it does now.

I would suggest using your laptop as a temporary storage location then at some point move the recordings to your primary desktop. I suggest this to not introduce issues with trying to record across the network to your desktop computer. Write the file once after the recording is complete instead of during the recording.

I use a one line script to move files from one storage location to another within my computer. I record to an old SSD and then move recordings when done to a HDD for permanent storage. My script is setup to run every 5 minutes so that shortly after recordings finish they are moved. My post processing can take anywhere from 3 - 13 minutes to run based on resolution and length of recording. I’m running on Windows and the one line looks like:

robocopy /MOVE /S “G:\TV_DVR” “F:\Recorded TV” /XD “G:\TV_DVR.grab”

This moves directories from G:\TV_DVR to F:\Recorded TV ignoring empty directories and excluding the G:\TV_DR.grab folder to not cause any recordings that are currently running to have issues.

I don’t have that much to move. Most of what I DVR is OTA anyway with a few exceptions. I do DVR stuff like Food Network and DIY, but those are available with many of the streaming packages you can get like Hulu etc.

My plan is to set up the primary server as I would once the cord is cut. See where the pain points are and adjust accordingly…

Thanks!

@KaraokeAmerica said:
They are connected to the same antenna, but the same Plex server DVR as well? I take it from your response, it’s a “yes” but I want to make sure I am clear. If you look in your DVR config you have 4, physical (8 virtual) OTA tuners in a single DVR setup in Plex?

Yes.

I don’t have that much to move. Most of what I DVR is OTA anyway with a few exceptions. I do DVR stuff like Food Network and DIY, but those are available with many of the streaming packages you can get like Hulu etc.

My plan is to set up the primary server as I would once the cord is cut. See where the pain points are and adjust accordingly…

Yes, I would setup the primary server how you want it when you cut the cord. Less to worry about then as all your tuners are setup for OTA and your recordings are all setup for the correct channels.