Ditto all the calls to introduce a grid format.
F*ck the patent trolls!
For ONE way around this, consider the interface on the HDHomeRun app; it has a vertical scroll for “what is on now”, and then for a given channel, you can “pull right” to see what is on in the future. NOT as good as a grid… but also is NOT a grid, therefore is not patent-infringing… right?
Can’t wait to see a full guide grid. It would make a great Christmas present to be sure.
Still its nice to see the new commercial skip feature. That is progress!!!
@dharasty did you read the post by @kinoCharlino right above your post? A grid view is being developed.
Keep in mind, people do things illegal all the time. If someone add something like this to an open source project or a one man developer it’s doubtful a patent holder will be overly aggressive as it costs them money to litigate.
Now for a company such as Plex it’s a completely different ball game and they had to be sure they have a way to do the new EPG/grid view that wouldn’t infringe someone else’s patents.
Carlo
@cayars said:
Keep in mind, people do things illegal all the time. If someone add something like this to an open source project or a one man developer it’s doubtful a patent holder will be overly aggressive as it costs them money to litigate.Now for a company such as Plex it’s a completely different ball game and they had to be sure they have a way to do the new EPG/grid view that wouldn’t infringe someone else’s patents.
Carlo
That funny SageTV wasn’t open source and it had from day one all back to 2001 when it first got started
@shspvr said:
@cayars said:
Keep in mind, people do things illegal all the time. If someone add something like this to an open source project or a one man developer it’s doubtful a patent holder will be overly aggressive as it costs them money to litigate.Now for a company such as Plex it’s a completely different ball game and they had to be sure they have a way to do the new EPG/grid view that wouldn’t infringe someone else’s patents.
Carlo
That funny SageTV wasn’t open source and it had from day one all back to 2001 when it first got started
Sage doesn’t exist anymore does it. I know they were acquired by google, and wasnt it freeware to begin with? I know other freeware have included it like nextpvr etc. But that certainly seems different than a company with subscribers.
@shspvr said:
@cayars said:
Keep in mind, people do things illegal all the time. If someone add something like this to an open source project or a one man developer it’s doubtful a patent holder will be overly aggressive as it costs them money to litigate.Now for a company such as Plex it’s a completely different ball game and they had to be sure they have a way to do the new EPG/grid view that wouldn’t infringe someone else’s patents.
Carlo
That funny SageTV wasn’t open source and it had from day one all back to 2001 when it first got started
Yea, and you want to know something funny? I wrote the EPG, TV Grid, most of the UI as well as most of the web interface.
@BRBMan said:
@shspvr said:
@cayars said:
Keep in mind, people do things illegal all the time. If someone add something like this to an open source project or a one man developer it’s doubtful a patent holder will be overly aggressive as it costs them money to litigate.Now for a company such as Plex it’s a completely different ball game and they had to be sure they have a way to do the new EPG/grid view that wouldn’t infringe someone else’s patents.
Carlo
That funny SageTV wasn’t open source and it had from day one all back to 2001 when it first got started
Sage doesn’t exist anymore does it. I know they were acquired by google, and wasnt it freeware to begin with? I know other freeware have included it like nextpvr etc. But that certainly seems different than a company with subscribers.
It’s now open source.
I’m not sure how you can say that. First who else has anything remotely similar to Plex Cloud? I know of no alternatives to it. Sure it has some issues and is a work in progress like every other piece of Plex. The DVR has some issues as well but it’s already better in many respects than some long standing DVRs already out there.
Yep it has some issues as well but Plex is actively working on these issues. I know as a Ninja I, as well as many others are working with the team to get them information and logs to help them with this stuff as well as with testing at different stages. One by one the issues are getting squashed and the product is getting better and better all the time.
What I think some fail to acknowledge is Plex started working on this far before anyone knew about it. Many of the recent law cases were ongoing at that time. It was very much up in the air at the initial time of development.
To be fair the product started as a DVR only without live tv. The need for a Grid is greatly decreased in the capacity. The way they introduced the EPG made a lot of sense for finding good movies to record as well as super simple TV Show/Series setup. This style is still better for movie/show recording for most people.
Enter Live TV and it’s a different story. Take for example wanting to watch CNN or Fox News or similar. It’s far easier to just tune to the channel vs having to know what is on at that point in time. Same for tuning to a channel before your favorite sporting even or show comes on.
Plex is well aware of this “short coming” as is working on it. We know this because they have told us this.
Oh and on a side note as a programmer myself I can tell you the grid view would have been much simpler to roll out first the way everyone else has it with a simple show name or movie name in a grid. What they launch with is much more involved with all the show’s descriptions, actors, related shows, etc that match the way our current movie and TV Show libraries operate.
DVR/Live TV is coming together but keep in mind it’s a work in progress with features being constantly added like the new Comskip support.
Worth noting is that the “Plex Way” isn’t just recording a show or showing you live tv on your big stream but also allowing you to stream it to your browser, to your phone, to your friend. Having a format that allows streaming as well as transcoding when needed is a lot more complex than a typical DVR would ever need to do.
Carlo
Yes I’m familiar with them all and use some of them.
How do any of them do anything similar to Plex Cloud?
@cayars said:
Yea, and you want to know something funny? I wrote the EPG, TV Grid, most of the UI as well as most of the web interface.
That funny when did your become Jeffrey Kardatzke
Carlo and you go the same name as here Cayars ?.
Then let look see and
Last Activity: 07-17-2005 07:22 PM
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Not even one post there in 11 years after you done the STV: Cayars17 Ultimate STV there, Where have you been hiding all this time Carlo ?.
You do know I go by the nickname SHS on the from over there and min other place
The last thing I heard was you talk about walking across the street and some nut came around a corner and hit you and give you 32 broken bones, punchered lung, ruptured kidney, etc…
Who said anything about being Jeffrey? Not I. Jeff was a great guy and really talented programmer. He was the sole programmer for all the core features. I did a lot of of the screen/UI as well as the early web interfaces and of course the “Cayars Ultimate STV” which was a combination of my work and others that it seemed everyone used. SageTV was kind of boring without it. 
It’s been far to long to remember people’s usernames with the exception of a few.
That was a bad accident that probably should have killed me. I was in and out of the hospital for a couple of years with a lot of rehab. Still hate it when it rains as all joints ache. That and a few years after it was a low point in my life for sure.
That was more or less the turning point for me. With all the problems I had at the time as well as having two young kids, SageTV just quickly became something I didn’t have time for nor any other hobbies for that matter. My other passion at the time (rally racing) became a thing of the past as well. I didn’t really get back into “media” again heavily until around 2011ish time frame.
Obviously Plex is my new “passion” and I love it even more than I did SageTV back in the day. Plex is so powerful it’s really unbelievable how far we have come. SageTV was an advanced DVR for the most part and for Plex it’s just a small part of the whole ecosystem. Good time ahead.
Carlo
PS how long did you continue to use SageTV or do you still use it?
Then Carlo you have said wrote I help wrote the EPG, TV Grid not I wrote the EPG, TV Grid
Any way it good hear that your ok and up and about.
I still use SageTV to this very day for last 14+ years as primary DVR and haven’t found anything as suitable alternative and the close’s one was Emby but it has no other ATSC hardware support so it was kind of limited to SiliconDust device like when Plex first got started but neither one support analog recording so that leaves just Emby I have to use 3rdparty backend where kind of a bit unreliable.
Just about all my family members are still use SageTV.
If it wasn’t for the lack of EPG grid view a few other thing a few of them would have probably done switch to Plex one of my family members is on Emby with SiliconDust device she love it.
No what I said was accurate in the context of this thread since it’s talking about the GUI. I meant this in the context of how we currently have this information in our DB and have a different output mechanism than what is currently provided.
In many ways we have come a long way and in some ways we’ve went backwards. By this I mean we no longer need “capture” type devices with a set top box and IR blaster with 1 “tuner/device” per recording. Now we have multi-tuners per device, no need for IR blaster or the STB and we can record digital HD.
We’ve sort of lost the ability to work in the analog world as you point out and no complete media center supports this directly without 3rd party help to get this done. I too, up to recently was using Emby for DVR but it’s built in DVR is very basic and doesn’t do any type of advanced scheduling for conflict resolution which is surely needed in this day and age. Hell we had this 10+ years ago. Plex has this in it’s core but it needs a bit of refinement as well.
Plex has already announced that we’ll get a traditional grid view but no ETA yet. That will make this much more intuitive for many people for both DVR as well as Live TV as well as lesson the reliance on using the HDHomeRun software or LiveChannels for Live TV use. That will expand the number of devices in my home that will have access to Live TV as well.
Curious, do you still use SageTV for output to the TV or just for DVR and drop your files into Plex libraries?
Are you strictly recording from Cable or also from OTA?
Carlo
To me that not what it sound like when I read it.
Yes I used SageTV to output to PC Monitor and TV
I have Dishnetwork (HD-PVR 60) and OTA (WinTV quad-HD) and Cable TV is not any option, SageTV just my DVR all my other media is in Emby.
My test box with Plex has (WinTV dualHD)
In many ways we have come a long way and in some ways we’ve went backwards. By this I mean we no longer need “capture” type devices with a set top box and IR blaster with 1 “tuner/device” per recording. Now we have multi-tuners per device, no need for IR blaster or the STB and we can record digital HD.
Odd last time I check nobody support CableCard Tuner with encrypted content so you can’t tune to DRM channels even with
CableCard install if has DRM enable which why I can’t use Cable it on ever $%^$%^# channel but one with the cable providers we have here.
Yea at present there isn’t support for HD-PVR 60 or any method to tune a STB which would be needed, so no DVR for Dish or Direct TV.
Cable channels with DRM of course can’t be recorded or viewed Live either.
in your case only the OTA could be used with Plex for now at least. Hopefully in the future this will change.
What devices are you currently using to connect to your TVs for SageTV, Emby & Plex at the moment?
Carlo
Yes I know I could used Plex but in tell they address some thing like below
1: There no EPG grid view which make kind of use less for now
And then there this I still prefer selectable library type like this
1: TV Recording (This cover both TV Show and Movie record from ATSC or Capture device)
2: Movies (DVD and Blu-ray rips only)
3: TV Shows or TV Series (DVD and Blu-ray rips only)
4: Music (CD or DVD Audio)
5: Music Video (You like MTV and VH1 Music Video I don’t care for that article link)
6: Photos or Pictures
7: Home Video or Other Video
I don’t like the my TV Recording group with my rip media
So in tell Plex get all of this address it sit on back burner.
For now it just SageTV and Emby
You do know that Hauppauge sent me all there latest TV product I’m even look forward to seeing how the Hauppauge Cordcutter TV pan out under Plex soon as they get around to support it.
I agree with you on the first point of the Grid view EPG. I think everyone does. The present way shows/movie are shown is OK and even nice for recording but not so good for Live TV especially when you know what channel you want to watch and just want an easy way to change channels.
For your 1 through 7 I don’t see why you can’t do this now? You can create separate libraries OR use separate directory roots under the same Library. What I mean for example:
Movies Libraries have the following directories:
C:\RIPS\Movies
C:\DVR\Movies
C:\Downloads\Movies
TV Shows have the following directories:
C:\RIPS\Shows
C:\DVR\Shows
C:\Downloads\Shows
Similar for sports or News if you wanted
Then when you go to record a Movie it will give you the choice of the 3 directories and you choose the DVR subdirectory. It will use that as a default from now on unless you change it for all movies.
All the groups of movies (downloads, DVR & Rips) would still fall into the same library but from a disc perspective you can easily manage and know where they came from.
Music, photos and home videos already have their own type so I’m not sure what you meant by them.
Carlo
Your look at wrong area, I’m refer this
My Libraries have the following directories like this
?:\My Movies\ (Rips DVD and Blu-ray rips only)
?:\My Home Video\ (From Phone, Tablet or Camcorder)
?:\My Music\ (Rips CD or DVD Audio)
?:\My Music Video\ (You know like MTV and VH1 Music Video)
?:\My TV Recording\ (This cover both TV Show and Movie record from ATSC or Capture device)
?:\My TV Shows\ (Rips DVD and Blu-ray rips only)
?:\My Photos\ (From Phone, Tablet or Camera)
Which library do you have a problem with that you don’t have an appropriate type for in your opinion?
