I’m there and you can find me in the forums but I don’t post very much, certainly nothing like here.
I also have all the source codes and play/mod it as well for my own use. So I’m very knowledgeable as to how it works as well.
I’m not a Plex vs Emby guy and want to see both succeed as there is plenty of space for both in the market.
As for Plex HOME accounts what is lacking in your opinion? You can set permissions for the managed users, control what libraries they have access to, give them Live TV or plugin access as well as set access via ratings such as PG-13. The managed user won’t be able to access your system unless they are using your devices you have already logged in on so you fully control their access equipment as well.
Yep, those are definitely not in Plex.
I have advocated for those two things myself (and still do).
Access schedules to me are a natural evolution to have when there are kids in the house. Same with being able to lock accounts to certain IPs or LAN segments. This way “friends” can’t share their accounts or other things people do to abuse your good will (shared server).
It’s nice to be able to create an account similar to GUEST and even be able to assign it a password but limit it to being used only on your internal IP range. This way you can create an ADULT GUEST account but your aunt/uncle/friend can’t use the account off premises.
Installed Plex server yesterday - Live TV and PVR s**ks - wish i read this forums before purchasing a year’s pass.
Revert back to LibreELEC Kodi / TVHeadend - Live TV and PVR working again.
Cant believe I actually pay for this ‘brown stuff’, Plex should paying me.
Currently - Free OpenSource software are light years ahead of Plex at LiveTV and PVR.
@ctang_ns said:
Installed Plex server yesterday - Live TV and PVR s**ks - wish i read this forums before purchasing a year’s pass.
Revert back to LibreELEC Kodi / TVHeadend - Live TV and PVR working again.
Cant believe I actually pay for this ‘brown stuff’, Plex should paying me.
Currently - Free OpenSource software are light years ahead of Plex at LiveTV and PVR.
DVR is mostly stable but getting better yet with each new release. Live TV is a work in progress and was just released to users on two new platforms yesterday for feedback.
Unlike a simple player such as Kodi or HDHomeRun there is a lot more under the covers needed by Plex for Live TV to work the way they want and we need. For example using Kodi or the HDHomeRun app in your house and 3 people were watching the latest Big Bang Theory all 3 of your tuners would be consumed. In Plex you could be recording that and have 10 people watching the episode and only use 1 tuner leaving 2 free for other purposes. Besides this Plex could be sending a stream out over the Internet to your cell phone so you don’t miss the big game.
So YES we will have growing pains with the releases for a bit as they iron out exactly how to do this and accommodate specific issues that pop up with clients under different conditions but it will be worth it in the long run. Being able to watch TV on just about any device with de-interlacing and having bit rates adjusted to accommodate the needed conditions will be super powerful and worth the wait.
Plex could keep all this under the covers and not share the work in progress with anyone until it’s more stable but why? Most of us would prefer to have early access to the features while still being developed so we can find issues and report them to make sure it will work perfectly in the long run.
@rljnc said:
You are wrong about 3 people watching same thing with hdhomerun and using 3 turners, it would only use one.
Nope, each HDHomeRun session requires a tuner. Here is a picture I just took showing 2 computers and the ShieldTV using the HDHomeRun app to watch Fox News channel.
You can clearly see it’s using 3 tuners spread across my two Primes.
Most apps are like this. They live in their own world, don’t care what other apps are doing and just lock a tuner for it’s own use. That’s exactly what the HDHomeRun app does. If you were using the DVR software it would require a 4th tuner.
Fast forward to how Plex will handle this and it will use only 1 TUNER.
@ctang_ns said:
Installed Plex server yesterday - Live TV and PVR s**ks - wish i read this forums before purchasing a year’s pass.
Revert back to LibreELEC Kodi / TVHeadend - Live TV and PVR working again.
Cant believe I actually pay for this ‘brown stuff’, Plex should paying me.
Currently - Free OpenSource software are light years ahead of Plex at LiveTV and PVR.
DVR is mostly stable but getting better yet with each new release. Live TV is a work in progress and was just released to users on two new platforms yesterday for feedback.
Unlike a simple player such as Kodi or HDHomeRun there is a lot more under the covers needed by Plex for Live TV to work the way they want and we need. For example using Kodi or the HDHomeRun app in your house and 3 people were watching the latest Big Bang Theory all 3 of your tuners would be consumed. In Plex you could be recording that and have 10 people watching the episode and only use 1 tuner leaving 2 free for other purposes. Besides this Plex could be sending a stream out over the Internet to your cell phone so you don’t miss the big game.
So YES we will have growing pains with the releases for a bit as they iron out exactly how to do this and accommodate specific issues that pop up with clients under different conditions but it will be worth it in the long run. Being able to watch TV on just about any device with de-interlacing and having bit rates adjusted to accommodate the needed conditions will be super powerful and worth the wait.
Plex could keep all this under the covers and not share the work in progress with anyone until it’s more stable but why? Most of us would prefer to have early access to the features while still being developed so we can find issues and report them to make sure it will work perfectly in the long run.
I agree with this. I had used some other DVR packages for recording before DVR was added to Plex and they worked, but were ugly and fragmented. I don’t like having to use multiple apps for ONE media center. Plex is not perfect yet, but I’m sticking with it, because with the exception of REAL 3D support it does virtually everything else I want in a media system, even if not perfect yet.
FTR, I had a lot of issues with the DVR because of a misunderstanding that I had with how you set it up. After much pain Someone posted that in fact you can NOT use two types of tuners on the same DVR. I had my Prime, Dual and Connect all on the same server and it never worked right. Once I broke the Prime out to a different server it’s been pretty flawless. I have had maybe two recording “fail in postprocessing” and I don’t know why, but it’s been 99% good.
Live TV…that’s another issue, but it’s still in process… I still don’t get why they haven’t released this functionality in their own PMP client for Windows. I’m sure there are programming reasons for this, but…
I’d also like to see it in the Smart TV apps, particularly for LG as that’s my main TV and because of PMP Windows bugs I have reverted to the built in app which is much more stable. I have a RokuTV that can access live TV, but I hardly ever use it for that.
FTR, I had a lot of issues with the DVR because of a misunderstanding that I had with how you set it up. After much pain Someone posted that in fact you can NOT use two types of tuners on the same DVR. I had my Prime, Dual and Connect all on the same server and it never worked right. Once I broke the Prime out to a different server it’s been pretty flawless. I have had maybe two recording “fail in postprocessing” and I don’t know why, but it’s been 99% good.
You can go here to this YouTube video where Lon states only use one tuner, plus I just checked my self show on Sony tv same channel on my iPad, one tuner.
FTR, I had a lot of issues with the DVR because of a misunderstanding that I had with how you set it up. After much pain Someone posted that in fact you can NOT use two types of tuners on the same DVR. I had my Prime, Dual and Connect all on the same server and it never worked right. Once I broke the Prime out to a different server it’s been pretty flawless. I have had maybe two recording “fail in postprocessing” and I don’t know why, but it’s been 99% good.
Your joking they still have not fix that problem
I didn’t even know this “problem” existed until someone told me. There is nothing in the setup instructions on not being able to use two types of tuners on the same DVR, which frankly kind of pissed me off. In fact why doesn’t the server itself TELL YOU that you can’t mix tuner types when you are adding them?:
Multiple tuners can be added from within the Plex Web app, provided you are using version 2.10.5 or newer. Tuners should be of the same type; all OTA or all cable, on the same Plex Media Server
That’s lame.
Supposedly the functionality is in the works, but no timeline…
@jrcorwin said:
The Channels DVR has been MUCH better for me so far. I just added it’s folder for recordings to my “TV Shows” library. Perfection. The Channels app on tvOS/iOS works better with live TV than Plex and includes an actually guide. I’m worried that when we finally do get the Plex Live TV guide (which should have been there on day 1) it will simply suck.
Why would the eventual grip-style guide data be any less correct than it is now for Plex? The only time I’ve had guide meta issues has been on a very occasional program that was brand new and wasn’t even in the TVDB yet. A show called “Zoofari” that I recorded for my kid has nothing. It first aired a week ago or something.
It seems that the only thing that would change would be the style of the guide, not the data.
@rljnc said: https://youtu.be/eFLbg9bpsP0
You can go here to this YouTube video where Lon states only use one tuner, plus I just checked my self show on Sony tv same channel on my iPad, one tuner.
Oh sorry, YES if you are using their DVR service it registers itself on the network. Then the HDHomeRun clients go through the server vs accessing the devices directly. You also get time shifting this way. Sort of like a mini plex for TV that is only only useful on the same network and on certain devices. Of course the cost of just this DVR service is almost the same as a yearly Plex Pass subscription.
@jrcorwin said:
The Channels DVR has been MUCH better for me so far. I just added it’s folder for recordings to my “TV Shows” library. Perfection. The Channels app on tvOS/iOS works better with live TV than Plex and includes an actually guide. I’m worried that when we finally do get the Plex Live TV guide (which should have been there on day 1) it will simply suck.
Why would the eventual grip-style guide data be any less correct than it is now for Plex? The only time I’ve had guide meta issues has been on a very occasional program that was brand new and wasn’t even in the TVDB yet. A show called “Zoofari” that I recorded for my kid has nothing. It first aired a week ago or something.
It seems that the only thing that would change would be the style of the guide, not the data.
I didn’t say anything about the data…I’m talking about it’s eventual functionality and UI.
My only issues with the Plex implementation of DVR and Live TV:
Lack of a genuine guide and their faulty excuses for it not being there from the beginning.
The lack of the ability to schedule manual recordings. Yet another feature that is basic and should have predated scheduled recordings based on schedule data.
Unnecessary transcoding.
It will refuse to record a series of it is a reboot with the same name and you have that full series in your library (i.e. Will & Grace and soon Roseanne).
OK, when you said
I’m worried that when we finally do get the Plex Live TV guide (which should have been there on day 1) it will simply suck.
I interpreted that to be some qualitative measure of the information in the guide. Plex has already announced a traditional style guide that was originally supposed to be released 2017-Q4 and was pushed to 2018-Q1, but if it’s anything like a normal grid, I’m not sure what else could be wrong about it. Almost anything is better than what they have, but you have a list of stations on one side with the timeline moving to the right. Not sure what they could get wrong.
What could they do that would make it “suck”? I’m genuinely curious! LOL
@ctang_ns said:
Installed Plex server yesterday - Live TV and PVR s**ks - wish i read this forums before purchasing a year’s pass.
Revert back to LibreELEC Kodi / TVHeadend - Live TV and PVR working again.
Cant believe I actually pay for this ‘brown stuff’, Plex should paying me.
Currently - Free OpenSource software are light years ahead of Plex at LiveTV and PVR.
DVR is mostly stable but getting better yet with each new release. Live TV is a work in progress and was just released to users on two new platforms yesterday for feedback.
Unlike a simple player such as Kodi or HDHomeRun there is a lot more under the covers needed by Plex for Live TV to work the way they want and we need. For example using Kodi or the HDHomeRun app in your house and 3 people were watching the latest Big Bang Theory all 3 of your tuners would be consumed. In Plex you could be recording that and have 10 people watching the episode and only use 1 tuner leaving 2 free for other purposes. Besides this Plex could be sending a stream out over the Internet to your cell phone so you don’t miss the big game.
So YES we will have growing pains with the releases for a bit as they iron out exactly how to do this and accommodate specific issues that pop up with clients under different conditions but it will be worth it in the long run. Being able to watch TV on just about any device with de-interlacing and having bit rates adjusted to accommodate the needed conditions will be super powerful and worth the wait.
Plex could keep all this under the covers and not share the work in progress with anyone until it’s more stable but why? Most of us would prefer to have early access to the features while still being developed so we can find issues and report them to make sure it will work perfectly in the long run.
This is LIVE TV - not rocket science.
This tech has been around for ages, its not like bleeding edge.
This is simple stuff which Plex cant even get right and charges premium for a product.
Forget all this fancy ‘■■■■’ and get the basics working first (e.g. LIVE TV and Record)
“For example using Kodi or the HDHomeRun app in your house and 3 people were watching the latest Big Bang Theory all 3 of your tuners would be consumed. In Plex you could be recording that and have 10 people watching the episode and only use 1 tuner leaving 2 free for other purposes. Besides this Plex could be sending a stream out over the Internet to your cell phone so you don’t miss the big game” - NOT TRUE - DOES NOT WORK - Plex failed to record the ‘Winter Olympics’ so when everyone wanted to watch the program all available Tuners were used. - This failed both on Saturday / Sunday Night when I wanted to watch/record the Slope-style Finals.
