I am not anti grid. With all the testing I do a grid would be extremely useful in scheduling same channel B2B recordings. I currently rely on TVGuide.com to find names of shows and searching the Program Guide for those shows. My comment was simply to your post about just wanting background noise. My wife does the exact same thing when she is working she just wants something in the background, and not something she would actually be interested in and distract her from her work.
Information overload is a real thing.
However, its not an issue if one knows how to filter it or knows exactly where to find the needle in the haystack. Since most people are accustom to the traditional guide grid they well know how to use it, filter the data and drill down to that needle in the proverbial haystack.
For those people the unforgivable act is to not present them with all the data. Lets be realistic here, we are only talking about two weeks not a years worth of guide data.
As I said before though, this should be an added feature not one that replaces the status quo. To do so would be disastrous IMO.
I’ll also point out one thing I noticed with PMS / DVR. When doing a search for a movie or series, the return is often just the most recent airings. This is typically exactly what one would want. However, by omitting reoccurring airings there is a loss of info and there are times when this isn’t ideal.
Due to this, Increasingly I find myself added recordings that I know will cause a conflict. A conflict that I will have to resolve with the “Recording Priority” list sidebar. This works but I would prefer to just choose a recording from a list of known air times from the beginning. Yes I know that there is a “Limit to airing time” drop down option that can be used initially when setting the recording or afterward by modifying. However, I have seen times listed there that didn’t coincide with actual air times.
With a guide grid its often easy to see topographically a repeat airing an hour or so later.
I’m not sure why people are arguing over this in the context of Plex.
The grid is what people want. The fact that everyone BUT Plex uses it is pretty good evidence of that. I want it too! Of course retain the search feature for when you want a specific thing, but when I’m looking for background noise (often…because I work from home) I much prefer to browse through and see what’s on easily. I might not know what I want, but having to click a button to scroll through pages of shows on the “right now” strip is a waste of time.
Also, Plex has already announced the feature is coming. It’s not if, but when.
It just seems like some of these comments are talking past each other. Everybody is getting what they want. We just don’t know exactly when yet.
very annoying & frustrating to say the least.
6 months now and no progress, well my Plex subscription expires in another 6 months so if the “■■■■■” is not fix - there is no way i am gona renewal it.
@darcilicious said:
Imagine if tiveo or ANY other “dvr” did otherwise.
Right, that’s why Plex changed their minds and decided to implement a grid-style guide, which by the way is copyrighted, and is probably part of the delay. There are licensing issues as well as software development aspects to this offering.
And this whole situation is a perfect example of why Plex generally doesn’t announce features in advance…
Wrong it can never be recopy righted again in fact the original patent date back to the 50’s if I recall right when it call TV Guide Magazine and that done expired and let not forget it was on Cable TV on a dedicated channel which has also done expired.
I’ll add to this thread about being frustrated…and I’m sure it’s not going to get the issue of not having the grid resolved any faster. Back in October, rumor was at the end of the year. Then it was at the end of Q1. Now it’s just being worked on. I did buy a Plex pass back in December in hopes to have a grid view, since that’s what I really wanted. Now I’m just waiting. I looked into Emby and it costs a bit more than Plex and has a max device limit, but they have some open source licensing hub-bub going around and who knows where it will end up.
Full disclosure, I’ve never tried the Live TV/DVR section of Plex. I was wondering if anybody has a no BS unbloated youtube video or something that gives a good overview of the Live TV/PVR section. I think it would be helpful to see how this works without having to unconfigure myth and configure Plex for something I’m not going to be happy with. A lot of the videos I’ve seen aren’t the greatest in focusing in on this area.
@wiz561 said:
I’ll add to this thread about being frustrated…and I’m sure it’s not going to get the issue of not having the grid resolved any faster. Back in October, rumor was at the end of the year. Then it was at the end of Q1. Now it’s just being worked on. I did buy a Plex pass back in December in hopes to have a grid view, since that’s what I really wanted. Now I’m just waiting. I looked into Emby and it costs a bit more than Plex and has a max device limit, but they have some open source licensing hub-bub going around and who knows where it will end up.Full disclosure, I’ve never tried the Live TV/DVR section of Plex. I was wondering if anybody has a no BS unbloated youtube video or something that gives a good overview of the Live TV/PVR section. I think it would be helpful to see how this works without having to unconfigure myth and configure Plex for something I’m not going to be happy with. A lot of the videos I’ve seen aren’t the greatest in focusing in on this area.
I don’t know of a tutorial particularly, but I don’t know why you would have to unconfigure Myth. Isn’t that a standalone DVR?
I found Plex very easy to configure for a DVR using the simple setup in the Plex docs. Although it’s still not perfect it didn’t take long and works for the most part…with caveats…like it doesn’t record properly if DVR server is on a VPN for example. I do use it with both an HDHomeRun Prime with
Cablecard operational as well as a Connect. They both work 99% of the time.
@wiz561 Try:
Plex Live TV & DVR scroll to the bottom for video.
Plex YouTube
Lon.TV YouTube discussing DVR when it was released
@KaraokeAmerica said:
I don’t know of a tutorial particularly, but I don’t know why you would have to unconfigure Myth. Isn’t that a standalone DVR?
Plex won’t share tuners well with other systems/applications.
I don’t know about “unconfiguring” but to test Plex DVR you would certainly want to stop/shutdown Myth if using the same tuners.
@cayars said:
@KaraokeAmerica said:
I don’t know of a tutorial particularly, but I don’t know why you would have to unconfigure Myth. Isn’t that a standalone DVR?
Plex won’t share tuners well with other systems/applications.
I don’t know about “unconfiguring” but to test Plex DVR you would certainly want to stop/shutdown Myth if using the same tuners.
I agree with not using multiple DVR apps Simultaneously. It was the “unconfigured” part that I was confused about.
I was using A third party app myself that works fairly well but want a unified solution so I switched to the Plex DVR even though it’s not done yet.
Not unless “unconfigure” meant pulling an internal tuner card from another PC to put in the Plex server???
@cayars said:
@KaraokeAmerica said:
I don’t know of a tutorial particularly, but I don’t know why you would have to unconfigure Myth. Isn’t that a standalone DVR?
Plex won’t share tuners well with other systems/applications.
I don’t know about “unconfiguring” but to test Plex DVR you would certainly want to stop/shutdown Myth if using the same tuners.
I disagree,…
I have two HDHomeRun Prime units (as well as four HDHomeRun duo units). One HDHomeRun Prime is used exclusively with my main Plex Media Server. However, I have two other Plex servers and I have configured them to use the same HDHomeRun as the primary Plex server. I schedule recordings only on the primary server but often fire up live TV on the secondary Plex servers when I am sure there will be no conflicts or contention for tuners.
I also use the HDHomeRun Player application from time to time. Unfortunately the SiliconDust HDHomeRun Player application (for PC, FireTV, iOS etc) indiscriminately uses tuners on the network (seemingly randomly just takes them) so I can’t seem to restrict it to just the HDHomeRun Prime configured for use with Plex.
For the purposes of testing, I see little reason to go through the trouble of disabling a current working autonomous configuration.
If there are concerns about tuner conflicts with respect to testing it’s easy enough to conduct testing when there is no contention for the tuners / scheduled recordings.
@wiz561 said:
Full disclosure, I’ve never tried the Live TV/DVR section of Plex. I was wondering if anybody has a no BS unbloated youtube video or something that gives a good overview of the Live TV/PVR section. I think it would be helpful to see how this works without having to unconfigure myth and configure Plex for something I’m not going to be happy with. A lot of the videos I’ve seen aren’t the greatest in focusing in on this area.
I would have posted a link to the same Lon.tv YouTube video as a demo.
For what it’s worth I use Plex DVR more so then Plex Live TV and have a lifetime Plex Pass. I find the DVR to be fairly good and serviceable. Live TV has some noteworthy frustrations in terms of navigation and sometimes stability. I use a different DVR software solution for my main use though.
I’ll say this, I recently purchased a QNAP NAS and have been contemplating “HD Station” or “Linux Station” along with the use of Ubuntu in order to facilitate the use of MythTV. The reason I am interested in MythTV is that it can support the HDHomeRun Prime as well as the Hauppauge HD PVR units I have and use something like Kodi as a front-end.
Plex won’t support the Hauppauge HD PVR, Colossus or the like so there is a self imposed limiting factor.
Unfortunately I’m not well versed in the use of Linux or Kodi.
My other option would be “NextPVRl which also supports the HDHomeRun Prime and Hauppauge HD PVR.
@Octavean said:
Plex won’t support the Hauppauge HD PVR, Colossus or the like so there is a self imposed limiting factor.Unfortunately I’m not well versed in the use of Linux or Kodi.
My other option would be “NextPVRl which also supports the HDHomeRun Prime and Hauppauge HD PVR.
You do know that SageTV and J-River Media also supports the HDHomeRun and all Hauppauge HD PVR just not the Rocket.
Unfortunately when come to Linux we are SOL with any new ver of Hauppauge HD PVR only the first original model got support, even knowing the driver source code is available for the HD-PVR 2 and Colossus / Colossus 2 no one has come long to make them in to compatible V4L2 Driver API, so basically all you get used application to run the device.
@Octavean said:
I disagree,…
You can disagree if you want, but then you’ll be wrong. 
I’ll explain at the bottom.
I have two HDHomeRun Prime units (as well as four HDHomeRun duo units). One HDHomeRun Prime is used exclusively with my main Plex Media Server. However, I have two other Plex servers and I have configured them to use the same HDHomeRun as the primary Plex server. I schedule recordings only on the primary server but often fire up live TV on the secondary Plex servers when I am sure there will be no conflicts or contention for tuners.
That makes no sense. Is the Prime unit exclusive to the 1st Plex server or is it shared with the other 2 Plex servers?
I also use the HDHomeRun Player application from time to time. Unfortunately the SiliconDust HDHomeRun Player application (for PC, FireTV, iOS etc) indiscriminately uses tuners on the network (seemingly randomly just takes them) so I can’t seem to restrict it to just the HDHomeRun Prime configured for use with Plex.
Yes, that’s correct and sort of the problem for Plex and WHY they should allow the Plex server to share the tuners properly. It’s a “network” device and the HDHomeRun isn’t designed to be restrictive. Silicon Dust has went out of it’s way to make it this way on purpose. It advertises itself on the network, it’s DLNA discoverable, it doesn’t allow static IPs so it can easily be setup on a separate subnet, etc.
For the purposes of testing, I see little reason to go through the trouble of disabling a current working autonomous configuration.
If you don’t want problems then you don’t want anything else using the same tuners as Plex or you will get unexpected results.
Here are several problems that sharing a tuner causes Plex.
Let’s say you have 3 network devices like me (9 tuners). Let’s assume I have all 9 tuners allocated to Plex.
I schedule and have 9 shows ready to record.
Someone on the network fires up HDHomeRun, uses DLNA or LiveChannels app on Android TV. Does’t matter how but someone opens ONE stream. Now let’s assume it happens to grab a tuner on the 1st device.
Plex starts recording. Plex thinks 3 tuners are available on the first device so it starts each recording. Guess what happens? You will get the first 2 started but at this point all 3 tuners are in use BUT Plex still thinks 1 is free.
3rd recordings fails, try’s the 4th recording using the first open tuner (not really open), fails, etc, etc. You still have 6 open tuners but Plex insists on using all the tuners it thinks it has exclusive access to and wants to schedule the recordings on the 3rd tuner on the first device. PROBLEM
OK so that’s a multi-device setup and maybe you think I only have 1 Prime so it doesn’t matter. Well it can mess up recording with only one Prime as well but for a different reason.
Let’s say your wife has a show that comes on a 9 and you put this as the top priority because you don’t want to get sh*t from her and want to make sure her shows always record before any other. So her show is top priority set to record from 9pm to 10pm with 1 minute pre/post padding. You also have an old Jackie Chan movies you’ve seen a couple of times setup to record from 8pm to 10pm and it’s the last priority (everything else should record before it if possible).
You have some other show that’s recording from 8 pm to 11 pm which doesn’t matter. Now with only these three recording someone is using one tuner for live tv. Jacking Chan movies kicks off just fine but come 8:59 pm your wife’s show can’t record even though it has the highest priority. Plex should discover a tuner in use, kill the lowest priority recording (chan) and record the highers. It doesn’t and now your wife is mad.
It can get worse then this but I just wanted to show a couple of simple examples. Plex can trip over itself recording shows and not respecting priorities when nothing else is touching a tuner. For example lets assume you have 3 shows to record from 8 pm to 9 pm with 1 minute pre/post padding. These 3 shows have priority order of 4,5,6. Another three set to record from 9 pm to 10 pm (padding doesn’t matter) with priority of 1,2,3. None of these are on the same channels.
So Clearly the 3 shows from 9pm to 19pm are the most important to you since they have the highest priority.
Plex will record the first three (lowest priority) starting from 8:59 and ending at 9:01 (pre/post padding). However, since it’s now 9:01 Plex won’t record the 3 other shows you setup even if you have “allow partial recording” selected! Plex DVR is not smart enough to only apply padding when available and doesn’t take into consideration priorities or things when doing scheduling.
So Plex has enough trouble recording without external issues getting in the way. You don’t want other apps using a tuner Plex has access to as that just makes things worse.
I think that cayars is misinterpreting what I was trying to say and perhaps over complicating the issue.
It’s possible I was unclear, my point was intended to be applicable for testing purposes. If one had a dedicated DVR configuration, using MythTV with an HDHomeRun Prime for example, one need not nuke their MythTV configuration from orbit or even turn off the system / server. One need only test their Plex DVR configuration during a time when there are no scheduled MythTV recordings.
Simple.
For what it’s worth, there are DVR programs that are advanced enough in their configuration to use only the tuners they were configured to use. So for example, a single HDHomeRun Prime unit (with tuners 0, 1 and 2) can be configured to use only tuner 0. This would leave tuners 2 and 3 for conflict free use by another program that is also advanced enough to use only the tuners it was configured to use.
Plex DVR doesn’t have the same granularity in its tuner configuration (which is a shame IMO and feels primitive) but at least it will use, for example, only the HDHomeRun network tuner it was setup with rather then taking a tuner from whatever HDHomeRun unit it finds on the network.
The SiliconDust Player app just takes whatever tuners it wants which obviously can be problematic.
Naturally there is indeed a potential for problems but again for testing purposes it should be easy enough to test without issue if one is sure to check their recording schedule.
One can have more then one train on the tracks, more then one airplane in the air,…just use common sense to avoid collisions.
Yes you can do this no problem. If you keep an eye on things you could even have Myth TV recording one show while Plex is recording one or two shows. The problem is when Plex tries to use all the tuners but doesn’t have access.
For testing this should not pose a problem at all!
@shspvr said:
@Octavean said:
Plex won’t support the Hauppauge HD PVR, Colossus or the like so there is a self imposed limiting factor.Unfortunately I’m not well versed in the use of Linux or Kodi.
My other option would be “NextPVRl which also supports the HDHomeRun Prime and Hauppauge HD PVR.
You do know that SageTV and J-River Media also supports the HDHomeRun and all Hauppauge HD PVR just not the Rocket.
Unfortunately when come to Linux we are SOL with any new ver of Hauppauge HD PVR only the first original model got support, even knowing the driver source code is available for the HD-PVR 2 and Colossus / Colossus 2 no one has come long to make them in to compatible V4L2 Driver API, so basically all you get used application to run the device.
I guess I was aware of SageTV support but not J-River.
I forgot that Media Portal has Hauppauge HD PVR / Colossus support.
The only reason I was considering Linux as a platform was due to my new QNAP NAS supporting Ubuntu and having HDMI out. Well that and the fact that there are Linux software PVR solutions that support both Hauppauge HD PVR and HDHomeRun Prime. Linux just increases the learning curve for me though. It might be a good deal easier to just go with a Windows supported solution.
If Plex supported the Hauppauge HD PVR I would probably be happy with that once the guide grid was implemented. However, we know that the Hauppauge HD PVR won’t get Plex DVR support.
@Octavean said:
If Plex supported the Hauppauge HD PVR I would probably be happy with that once the guide grid was implemented. However, we know that the Hauppauge HD PVR won’t get Plex DVR support.
I agree I like see them support the Hauppauge HD PVR 2 / Colossus 2 and give IR Blaster support to but I prefer if they did it with USB-UIRT because windows and hauppauge build in blaster only work under one device so you can forget mulit-devices.
@KaraokeAmerica said:
@wiz561 said:
I’ll add to this thread about being frustrated…and I’m sure it’s not going to get the issue of not having the grid resolved any faster. Back in October, rumor was at the end of the year. Then it was at the end of Q1. Now it’s just being worked on. I did buy a Plex pass back in December in hopes to have a grid view, since that’s what I really wanted. Now I’m just waiting. I looked into Emby and it costs a bit more than Plex and has a max device limit, but they have some open source licensing hub-bub going around and who knows where it will end up.Full disclosure, I’ve never tried the Live TV/DVR section of Plex. I was wondering if anybody has a no BS unbloated youtube video or something that gives a good overview of the Live TV/PVR section. I think it would be helpful to see how this works without having to unconfigure myth and configure Plex for something I’m not going to be happy with. A lot of the videos I’ve seen aren’t the greatest in focusing in on this area.
I don’t know of a tutorial particularly, but I don’t know why you would have to unconfigure Myth. Isn’t that a standalone DVR?
I found Plex very easy to configure for a DVR using the simple setup in the Plex docs. Although it’s still not perfect it didn’t take long and works for the most part…with caveats…like it doesn’t record properly if DVR server is on a VPN for example. I do use it with both an HDHomeRun Prime with
Cablecard operational as well as a Connect. They both work 99% of the time.
I wouldn’t have to unconfigure myth, but I would hate to fiddle with something for a few hours and figure out it’s not what I’m looking for.
